Controllers vs mouse/keyboard

(Hyrage) #1

Great. This way I’ll be able to make videos of controller VS mouse+keyboard and close that stupid debate once and for all :smiley: .:penguin:

(Linsolv) #2

Well, no… I don’t think you can. Because they’ll argue (correctly) that if you can beat scrubs with a 360 controller handily enough and consistently enough to prove a darn thing, then you are out of their league. And therefor you’d have to use a 360 controller against legit players, and if you were good enough to school them with the “wrong” controller, then at least I would guess, they won’t want to play you. Because they don’t want to get embarrassed.

(wazups2x) #3

Yep, finally show the people in denial just how bad controller is.

(Hyrage) #4

I come from PC and I’ve played to a high skill level (very high actually…) with mouse and keyboard, but got totally bored (unmatched) after a while, so I decided to go play on console games instead and try the xbox controller. That was in 2003…

Now (2011), I can confirm that depending of the aiming system (all games offer a totally different thumbstick behavior), if it’s decent enough and if a player is really skilled, it’s totally possible to match Quake III players on PC, but I’m also including the possiblity to lead a headhot at that speed.

I can tell that it’s far easier to warm up with a mouse (3 seconds or one match) when it can take 3 match to 5 hours with a controller depending of how long you actually stopped playing. It can take 3 months with a mouse to become one of the top player once you understand how to correct your thought process and way much more with a game controller.

However, for the most harcdcore, the controller is a good option, because it really separates the rookies, veterans and pros, since it’s harder to become fast and precise with a thumbstick. And as I said earlier, it’s harder to get bored, because it’s harder to maintain a high skill level; always something to improve.

Unless you are handicaped, everyone can be good with a mouse, but not with a game controller.

(A.i) #5

But not everyone can play using mouse set to 5600 dpi - 1 cm shift - 360 spin :smiley:

(Linsolv) #6

Not all skilled players are high-sensitivity players.

(riptide) #7

you do know the dpi doesn’t need to be mentioned 1cm = 360 is adequate… it could be 650000 dpi =1 cm = 360… it’s still 1 cm. You could up your sensitivity and lower your dpi and still make it 1cm=360

(Diablo85) #8

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285652]I come from PC and I’ve played to a high skill level (very high actually…) with mouse and keyboard, but got totally bored (unmatched) after a while, so I decided to go play on console games instead and try the xbox controller. That was in 2003…

Now (2011), I can confirm that depending of the aiming system (all games offer a totally different thumbstick behavior), if it’s decent enough and if a player is really skilled, it’s totally possible to match Quake III players on PC, but I’m also including the possiblity to lead a headhot at that speed.
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Show me a movie of you strafejumping with a controller. I find it rather unbelievable that you can do that properly with a controller.

(system) #9

Ahahahahahahahah, hahahahahaha, hihihihihihih, muhahahaahaha. Great laugh, thanks.

(Diablo85) #10

These videos will be made on a LAN I assume? Else you can still use cheats to make up for the inferiour control device and claim the weird aiming is because of you using a controller.

(A.i) #11

I do know, my windows speed is set to 6 and in games like css its 7.5, 1cm - 360 is just easier to imagine, imo
high dpi makes it more precise and smooth :slight_smile:

(murka) #12

64000dpi will pick up any cracks in the mousepad surface and make the movement very random…

(A.i) #13

DPI is dots per inch it doesnt make mouse more sensetive to the surface - just counts its movement more often => precisely
5700 dpi is the highest dpi value among mice up do this date, I think

(Bullveyr) #14

[QUOTE=A.i;285687]DPI is dots per inch it doesnt make mouse more sensetive to the surface- just counts its movement more often => precisely
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Technically not correct and it’s actually CPI (counts per inch). :smiley:

(Apoc) #15

Two things:

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Anyone use this high sens? I use 4cm =360, and thats pretty fast, cant see the need for anything higher than a 2cm shift = 360…thats very fast

(Angrim) #16

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285652]
However, for the most harcdcore, the controller is a good option, because it really separates the rookies, veterans and pros, since it’s harder to become fast and precise with a thumbstick. And as I said earlier, it’s harder to get bored, because it’s harder to maintain a high skill level; always something to improve.[/QUOTE]

If you really favor a gamepad over mouse and keyboard, you are not nearly as hardcore as you think you are or would like to be. Actually, considering your comments on how hardcore and unmatched you are combined with your suggestions about gamepads vs mouse and keyboard draw the image of someone playing at average pub level at best.

Also, you seem to claim a gamepad is superior to mouse and keyboard but at the same time insist on pads being a greater challenge and therefore more “hardcore”. How does that make any sense at all?

(Hyrage) #17

Laser mouse makes things easier nowadays, but back in 2003 was playing with an optical mouse and had better speed, control and precision than what you’ll find here:
Ultimate Quake Frag Video - AnnihilatioN

So I have a pretty good idea of how a player can be good with a mouse and if I say I’ve reached peaks in which I was that good with a mouse; that’s just how it is.

[QUOTE=Angrim;285715]If you really favor a gamepad over mouse and keyboard, you are not nearly as hardcore as you think you are or would like to be. Actually, considering your comments on how hardcore and unmatched you are combined with your suggestions about gamepads vs mouse and keyboard draw the image of someone playing at average pub level at best.

Also, you seem to claim a gamepad is superior to mouse and keyboard but at the same time insist on pads being a greater challenge and therefore more “hardcore”. How does that make any sense at all?[/QUOTE]
No, I’m saying that you guys should stop comparing both and start considering that they have different strengths and minimum requirements.

The thing is, if you want to reach your full potential, it’s going to take a few weeks with a mouse when it would take years with a game controller. But you need to realize that once you reached that peak with the mouse, when you become the only one on Earth on that skill level and that you can’t go further… how boring can that be? 3 months, BAM! you are there.

I much prefer the learning curve of the game controller that takes more time to master.
But hey, we all have different priorities in life and it’s just fine.

(DarkangelUK) #18

[QUOTE=Hyrage;285769]
So I have a pretty good idea of how a player can be good with a mouse and if I say I’ve reached peaks in which I was that good with a mouse; that’s just how it is.[/QUOTE]

If I say I’ve reached the peak of Everest in a Borat mankini and 2 cheese sandwiches for nutrition, then that’s just how it is.

(Hyrage) #19

I would say you beat Mr. Hof and made your place in the guiness records.
http://youtu.be/UOT2OSb5tUY

But I doubt you know anything about Tummo.

(Rex) #20

Ohh nice, which game? Pokemon? :smiley:

Made my day. :smiley: :smiley: I am damn sure you were there, “on that highest skill level” :smiley: :smiley: