Continuing Server Issues (13th Sept)

(Belica) #21

Compensation please, playing almost for 3 weeks for this laggy game, no dev sign so far

(Khuzen) #22

Huh, I didn’t know that.

Okay, moving on.

I didn’t say anything about the influx of new players (or lack thereof) being the cause of the lag. I meant that the developers would not have been able to replicate a real world test of the update’s performance as well as accounting for all the other variables and therefore would not have known that these issues would have reared their ugly heads. Although I could have explained/included that by this I also meant that whatever changes were made to Dirty Bomb for the 1.0 update would probably have contributed or quite possibly have been the cause of the lag issues. Of which yes, I agree that the lag we have now is the worst it’s ever been (at least in my experience), due to it’s relentless, tormenting nature.

And what about those times during the beta where players including myself have suffered from those 900+ ping spikes, which usually had us kicked from the match? Lag has always been a concern that has constantly surfaced in the Dev videos. I know that this is also dependent on our own internet connection and that nearly all online games are vulnerable to it, I’m just saying that its a possibility that the 1.0 update was not the sole/root cause of all the lag.

It’s not as if I completely disagree with you, my interests align with yours, bottom line I want this issue to be addressed. We all do. I’m simply giving feedback and stating my opinion in a different way, looking at other possibilities, staying positive and giving encouragement. On top of that, I like to provide justifications/explanations and prior research is a must. If it makes me look like a “fanboy” then so be it. I merely dislike pointing fingers. I am not in full agreement with what you are saying, and I’m not here to repeat what you have already said, unless of course you want a pet parrot to keep you company.

(PeterReaper) #23

The lag issue seems to be fixed - at least in Europe. No word from the devs on what was causing it or what was fixed…

MAGA

(K1X455) #24

Nope. Absolutely not.

Even with 8ms ping to local server, game processing lag is unchanged.

(Floris) #25

Until now I’ve found one server in Singapore which got stuck with the “Deploying in…” button and then went back to the main screen.

(Khuzen) #26

I was in game recently, ended up joining an Australian server with 200 ping. And it was actually playable. Especially compared to what I’ve been experiencing in servers like Singapore and HK. After a couple of matches I left to join a Singapore server to check. But there was still way more lag in the Singapore servers (even at 40-50 ping) and the severity of the lag for me is considered unplayable; constant rubber-banding and teleportation voodoo magic.

(San_Pedro) #27

Problem seems to be back for me as well.

(K1X455) #28

(K1X455) #29

what kind of error is this?

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([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #30

I do believe you’ve found the brother of the white-backdrop scoreboard plate. You still can’t see anything but Won, Lost, and Draw–just like with its predecessor. However, on the flip-side, it doesn’t hurt your eyes to view anymore–so it’s an improvement at least in that regard.

All jokes aside, it probably is a similar bug to that one; no clue what causes this one though.

(B_Montiel) #31

It’s not about netcode. UE3 can be a very potent engine/netcode system as long as you know what to do and maintain things thoroughly. Both of which Multiplay is an absolute joke at.

(K1X455) #32

You should understand how UE3 handles replication in multiplayer games. This replication phenomenon works on top of UE3’s netcode and if it’s not set properly; or is integrated poorly by way of porting to other applications (ie, EAC), then it will have a bad impact on how the game performs.

This is an example of how poorly netcode is performing in DB 1.0

From the video, you’ll see in successive sequence the following faults as a result of netcode processing failure:

  • 100% hits not registering to the server
  • Reload animation completing on client, but not acknowledged by the server and hence the client gets 0 ammunition (multiple times)
  • Over 20% of hits not registering to the server
(B_Montiel) #33

I do fully understand that. But as far as my personal experience goes, I’ve seen those happening in every single UE3 games I’ve played extensively : More than 500 hours on Tribes Ascend and over 1200 on chivalry mediaval warfare where I managed one of the most crowded west-European community servers for more than 2 years. And those two games were subjects of the exact same symptoms when servers were going nuts, with totally different third party systems gravitating around the UE3 engine.

At the start of chivalry mediaval warfare, “official” community servers (which could be set to save global XP in the game), were only available from multiplay. We could have servers binaries for non XP saving servers in the meantime. At some point, most of the active communities came to the point that multiplay provided utter shit quality of service. We’ve ran all the same garbage @ASD has been put through 5 years ago by multiplay, with no tangible results coming from them. Some of the communities started to rent from random server hosting service with far better results. The massive difference was that they were renting an actual hardware server, not just a virtual machine, we could actually restart properly and set the best way we could. At that point Thorn Banner broke the deal off and we finally could rent official servers outside of multiplay.

UE3 netcode does not like high pingers and packetloss. It overloads server memory (one of my clan mate held a server with his own fibre cable broadband, at some point, he got most his RAM usage filled with the UE3 binary for No reason, and forced him to restart the computer). On top of that, the tickrate setting has to be met by the server, even fully crowded, otherwise it will have more or less the same consequences. None of that is currently met by multiplay servers, it never did. It’s not new, 8vs8 always had shittier hitreg than 5vs5 ones. On top of that, we have actually no hands on servers parameters, which could potentially give a handy help on those issues. Yes, it has consequences : you have to choose your playing conditions and limit your attendance : in chivalry, a nicely set server was literally unplayable for somebody with more than 100 ms ping, thus limiting a France hosted server up to Poland and Scandinavian countries.

(K1X455) #34

That’s not true. North American servers are always nearly populated by high ping players during the beta period when South American players have no where to play except for those servers in Florida.

Also if you would notice, from the video example I had, it’s not even 5v5. It was only 3v3 so I don’t think the number of players really matter. In case you didn’t notice, I was shooting a static target while not even moving, and that’s with 100% no hit registration. Replication isn’t even an issue because the health station appears on my client, fully and functional; and what about the reloads? It’s one of those client sends action and server does not reply correctly similar to shot fired and hit but does not register to the server giving no feedback.

It might not be the netcode that is the issue, but the implementation of netcode for purpose of game mechanics that is the problem. Simply put, they could be using a spoon instead of a shovel to do the job (or vice versa).

((Pos2/3)) #35

Thanks for your hard work devs (3 weeks). I didn’t find any broken server (in Singapore) anymore or freaky black or 4 tone color loading screen. Everything runs fine without laggy jagged connection. I always use server browser, and u got mah trust back :slight_smile:

(ASD) #36

if the server starts with this lag shit and you leave it like this without starting which i did multilpe time as requested by multiplay so they can anlayze… its geting worse and worse… at the end you are not able to do anything… you cant shoot the birds in castle you cant repair… you cant reload as you had self seen you can shoot infit multipe magazines without reloading… its sometimes like if you unplug your cable!

(B_Montiel) #37

Servers improvements being what they are, I guess the hardware possibilities allow them to last longer than they did couple of years ago. But that’s all, pretty much everything I see recently reported is mostly bad routing and bad maintaining of the servers.

And your clip does not mean anything. First of all, server won’t revert back to a better state once they’ve hit the shitty state. So the higher the maximum playercount is (plus how often it will get filled), the faster the server could turn into madness. The server starts messing around and it can’t be solved until you restart the instance ,or, more efficiently, restart the computer for good.

And those servers do not reply correctly situations, I’ve seen them in every UE3 game I mentionned. That’s purely empirical. The exact same problems, hit not registering, can’t enter a vehicule / turret / usable, warping, rubberbanding, all of them start to appear a couple of days or even hours if you don’t actually restart the server at some point. I replicated this situation on tribes, chivalry, and noticed it on DB as well back when we had the AIE server filled on a regular basis.

I totally agree with your point though, this might be wrong. But hey, 3 different games, with the same engine and netcode, different third party systems, and the same results with the same renting company ? That’s not a coincidence to me. And Multiplay never held the best service records throughout the 15 years I’ve spent renting servers with the different communities I played with.

And don’t forget, I consider the current situation highly problematic, but I also consider the usual server service we’ve had in dirty bomb since day one way below standards to what is reachable with that engine. For what ? Intercontinental games in a fast fps ? What a joke honestly.

What does it cost to SD to even try something else (rent some dedicated high broadband server, if they don’t even have one at their office) than this horrible service and let us give feedback ? Pretty much nothing, they’ve never even tried.

(K1X455) #38

It’s beginning to sound like Multi-Play servers are the ones shitting Dirty Bomb. idk, because I’m not in the position to really tell, but the experience and empirical evidence I have gathered so far seems like it does.

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(PeterReaper) #39

And the massive lags have returned with a vengeance. Still no word from Splash Damage. Very bad community communication!

(ZaZa) #40

oooh =)

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