Containment War Giveaway Event!

(DMaster2) #101

[quote=“HoopleDoople;98491”]I’m really derailing this thread so this will be my last post on the topic. If you’d like the last rebuttal, be my guest. Just a few points to make:

  1. There is no such thing as “virtual value”. Anything that has value has “real” value.

  2. Time is also a currency. I’ve only got so much free time for gaming and I invested a significant proportion of it to acquire Phoenix. DB can respect that or not; I can continue investing time (or money, if I am ever so inclined) in DB or not.

  3. The obsidian skin and elite cases are not fungible (i.e. they cannot be traded or otherwise used as currency). As a result they do not have a fixed value. You clearly value them very highly and I respect that. I only value them as highly as they can deliver me a desired loadout. You are more than welcome to disagree with my opinion of the value, but I would appreciate if you could respect that it is a matter of opinion.

  4. The rate of credit gain varies wildly from player to player. Mine is undoubtedly much slower than most active players. I’ve got a lot of mercs and loadouts to purchase, with new ones coming out periodically. I do not foresee myself having a credit surplus for a very long time, and there’s no guarantee I’ll ever reach that point before I stop playing Dirty Bomb (temporarily or otherwise).[/quote]
    I don’t want the “last word” but i feel the urge to say this. You are ungrateful and don’t really deserve the gift you are going to get. I tried a lot of f2p fps out there in the last years and believe me this is the first time i find a game that have a great economy system (true f2p, not p2w/freemium/microtransaction like a ton of other games), developers that are actually in touch and listen their playerbase and willing to do a lot of promotions/gifts/contests.
    If developers said “as an event you’ll get 2 free elite cases and a rare loadout card for Phoenix when the next patch hit”, would you complain about such an announcement? Nope i hope. Well then take it that way and ignore the rest, maybe you’ll start appreciating something good when it’s done.
    What you fail to get is that you lost nothing because the devs didn’t had to give you anything, but they still do it despite people like you. So stop being picky and appreciate this event for what it is.

(Lumi) #102

This is a wrong way of seeing what’s going on. A compensation is there for compensating something, such as a wrongdoing. Nobody has gotten a wrongdoing. You own a Phoenix already? You get something else. What? You’re saying your Pheonix lost value? How come? You can still use him. Whatever time and money you invested in him, be it real or virtual currency, you still get to use your merc.

People need to start seeing as what it is. A gift. And a gift is not something that one complains about. Otherwise you’re just being a brat.

(LCTR) #103

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(CCP115) #104

[quote=“RyePanda;98479”][quote=“CCP115;98255”]Is this the only time an obsidian Phoenix will be given out?

There is no way in hell I’m going to be able to get Phoenix before the update, and I’m really annoyed I can’t get the obsidian.[/quote]

Looks like you’ll need to spend money.[/quote]

Ah shoot.

Really depressed I’m missing out on this Obsidian. I hope they do more of these again.

(Hazzy) #105

[quote=“HoopleDoople;98429”]

To which I would counter:

And when everyone’s super… no one will be.

Value is relative, particularly in competitive multiplayer gaming.

Owning Phoenix these past 2 weeks had indisputably real value. I had an extra (or at least different) merc at my disposal compared to those who did not own Phoenix. This put me on par with anyone who used their 50k credits on a different merc, such as Sparks. Once Phoenix is given away, everyone is now “super” so none of us are. Players gifted Phoenix do not get the same value as if they had purchased a merc, because they are not gaining relative to anyone (which is fine, since it’s a gift). Meanwhile, I lose the value of owning Phoenix that I previously had. By comparison, players who spent their 50k on Sparks have lost no value.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.[/quote]

Simple comparison wich you forget, phoenix = 50k credits or 10$. 2x elite case = 5$ each = 10$ + you get a obisidian card, 1 of the most rare loadout cards there is = profit for the money.

So you dont lose any value even to you bought it and it wasent gifted. Second, you ar getting a GIFT, its free, because the love you, because the care about you, and you sir, you dont even care and dare to wine about it. SHAME ON YOU!

Maybe, you shouldent buy any mercs any more in the future so you maybe get them gifted and maybe then you can be happy. If not, deinstall game, pick up your pc/laptop and throw it out of a window to make us all happy.

(HoopleDoople) #106

I know I said I wouldn’t post again, but I need to address a different and far more important topic.

Please be respectful of one another on these forums (and in general). Everyone should be free to express their opinions without being subject to personal attacks. Go ahead and dissect anyone’s argument in minute detail to explain why they are wrong. Just do not resort to name calling and insults. Rampant toxicity will do no one any good.

(IcySkyz) #107

During the first week back to univ, there are a lot of tents/booths set up for companies to promote stuff and they usually give out free items (sunglasses, pens, candy etc…).

I got a waterbottle from one tent. Unforunately I actually bought a new waterbottle 3 months ago. So now I have 2 waterbottles. This is obviously unfair b/c people who didn’t buy waterbottles recently benefit more than I did and didn’t waste money…

Look, free stuff is free. The end. SD/NX has every right to distribute any of THEIR products in whatever way they see fit.

BTW, i just want to say that it is quite disappointing that some individuals are viewing the loadout cards/cases as “Compensation”. The loadout card is not COMPENSATION. It is an ALTNERATIVE free gift. Compensation entails that NX/SD has signifcantly damaged their responsitbiites to provide a game service.

(n-x) #108

[quote=“Hazzy;98603”][quote=“HoopleDoople;98429”]

To which I would counter:

And when everyone’s super… no one will be.

Value is relative, particularly in competitive multiplayer gaming.

Owning Phoenix these past 2 weeks had indisputably real value. I had an extra (or at least different) merc at my disposal compared to those who did not own Phoenix. This put me on par with anyone who used their 50k credits on a different merc, such as Sparks. Once Phoenix is given away, everyone is now “super” so none of us are. Players gifted Phoenix do not get the same value as if they had purchased a merc, because they are not gaining relative to anyone (which is fine, since it’s a gift). Meanwhile, I lose the value of owning Phoenix that I previously had. By comparison, players who spent their 50k on Sparks have lost no value.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.[/quote]

Simple comparison wich you forget, phoenix = 50k credits or 10$. 2x elite case = 5$ each = 10$ + you get a obisidian card, 1 of the most rare loadout cards there is = profit for the money.

So you dont lose any value even to you bought it and it wasent gifted. Second, you ar getting a GIFT, its free, because the love you, because the care about you, and you sir, you dont even care and dare to wine about it. SHAME ON YOU!

Maybe, you shouldent buy any mercs any more in the future so you maybe get them gifted and maybe then you can be happy. If not, deinstall game, pick up your pc/laptop and throw it out of a window to make us all happy.[/quote]

The thing is, that we dont care about a new shinny dress. Yes, they couldnt give us anything at all, and it would be fine. It’s a f2p beta. But I am pretty sure, that a lot of us, would be happier with just getting the 50k back instead of what we get now. A player who spend his first 50k on another merc has now 2 mercs. Those who spend their first 50k on Phoenix have still 1 merc. And you want to explain us, that you cant even understand us a little bit, because we get some super fancy thing nobody of us cares about.

(LCTR) #109

(Lumi) #110

[quote=“Kelben;98636”]

The thing is, that we dont care about a new shinny dress. Yes, they couldnt give us anything at all, and it would be fine. It’s a f2p beta. But I am pretty sure, that a lot of us, would be happier with just getting the 50k back instead of what we get now. A player who spend his first 50k on another merc has now 2 mercs. Those who spend their first 50k on Phoenix have still 1 merc. And you want to explain us, that you cant even understand us a little bit, because we get some super fancy thing nobody of us cares about.[/quote]

It’s not about what would make you happier or what you would like. It’s a gift. Get over yourself. You’re over estimating your own importance. This is not to please any of us although the official reason is to reward us for our loyalty. The unofficial reason is to get people to log in after the update, to eventually play and see that the game has become better and hopefully gain more players this way.

So in conclusion: it’s a gift - you don’t complain - if you don’t like it, too bad

(n-x) #111

[quote=“Lumi;98646”][quote=“Kelben;98636”]

The thing is, that we dont care about a new shinny dress. Yes, they couldnt give us anything at all, and it would be fine. It’s a f2p beta. But I am pretty sure, that a lot of us, would be happier with just getting the 50k back instead of what we get now. A player who spend his first 50k on another merc has now 2 mercs. Those who spend their first 50k on Phoenix have still 1 merc. And you want to explain us, that you cant even understand us a little bit, because we get some super fancy thing nobody of us cares about.[/quote]

It’s not about what would make you happier or what you would like. It’s a gift. Get over yourself. You’re over estimating your own importance. This is not to please any of us although the official reason is to reward us for our loyalty. The unofficial reason is to get people to log in after the update, to eventually play and see that the game has become better and hopefully gain more players this way.

So in conclusion: it’s a gift - you don’t complain - if you don’t like it, too bad[/quote]

I am over estimating my own importance. HAHA! Did you even read, what I wrote. I didnt say anything about, this is how it has to be done. All I did, was asking, if you can understand, that some of us have the feeling that everybody gets a gift, and we get nothing. That’s all. I dont want you to have the same opinion. I just wanted to explain, how we see this thing, and maybe get you to see where we are coming from. So maybe you should get over yourself.

(LCTR) #112

[quote=“Kelben;98648”]
All I did, was asking, if you can understand, that some of us have the feeling that everybody gets a gift, and we get nothing. [/quote]

I’m not sure how you “get nothing”?
If you own Phoenix you get a guaranteed Hochfir loadout card and 2 cases?

(n-x) #113

[quote=“LCTR;98661”][quote=“Kelben;98648”]
All I did, was asking, if you can understand, that some of us have the feeling that everybody gets a gift, and we get nothing. [/quote]

I’m not sure how you “get nothing”?
If you own Phoenix you get a guaranteed Hochfir loadout card and 2 cases?

[/quote]

I already have the hochfir card i want. So best case secnario, I get the card I have, So my Phoenix just changes color. And then 2 cases were chances are good I get load out cards for mercs I dont have.

They can do whatever they want. But the point remains, that players with a Phoenix who arent into shinny costumes get nothing.

(LCTR) #114

[quote=“Kelben;98670”][quote=“LCTR;98661”][quote=“Kelben;98648”]
All I did, was asking, if you can understand, that some of us have the feeling that everybody gets a gift, and we get nothing. [/quote]

I’m not sure how you “get nothing”?
If you own Phoenix you get a guaranteed Hochfir loadout card and 2 cases?

[/quote]

I already have the hochfir card i want. So best case secnario, I get the card I have, So my Phoenix just changes color. And then 2 cases were chances are good I get load out cards for mercs I dont have.

They can do whatever they want. But the point remains, that players with a Phoenix who arent into shinny costumes get nothing.[/quote]

Or they get what everyone else gets - they just value it less?

(n-x) #115

No, anybody else gets a merc worth 50k. But I am too tired to argue this anymore, If you dont want to understand, you wont.

(ingeniousPie) #116

This is great! I have 4 silvers, ready to trade up to a Gold Stoker, and as well a free Obsidian card for my favorite medic! This hype train cannot be stopped!

(Lumi) #117

You’re viewing it wrong. Everyone gets either a merc valued at 9.99 euros/dollars, or two elite case valued at 9.99 euros/dollars + an obsidian card.

So everyone gets basically something for a value of 9.99, and if you own Pheonix, the latest released merc, already by the time the update comes out, you’re seen as a player who already has had the game for a while and you get on top of your 9.99 gift an additional obsidian loadout card, as a thank you for the loyalty.

So in the end it’s like you and all your siblings are getting a birthday gift. Your parents went to the shop and decided to get everyone a 9.99 gift. Everyone got the same to be fair, but you already got the gift that others hadn’t, so to not leave you empty handed, they chose you something else for the same value and even added something extra to it that you cannot get anywhere for money to show you their love. And when you complain about that it’s very ungrateful. That’s how I see it.

(Jan S.) #118

Or they could’ve just said “fck that” and give us nothing. Nobody would complain.
I mean come on, it’s free. If you do not care about rarity of your card, you don’t care about a huge part of the game.

(n-x) #119

[quote=“JohnS;98769”]Or they could’ve just said “fck that” and give us nothing. Nobody would complain.
I mean come on, it’s free. If you do not care about rarity of your card, you don’t care about a huge part of the game.[/quote]

A huge part of the game? What are you talking about? Werent the developers not about, how they wanted to make a FPS like in the old days? And you are saying that having a pretty and rare dress is a huge part of the game?

(DMaster2) #120

I don’t know which rarity you have (bronze i suppose?) but the obsidian is special, it’s way better than other rarities. In half a year, if you are still playing DB (i hope so, the more the merrier) you’ll appreciate that skin in the long run far more than 50k credits.