Containment War Giveaway Event!

[ev1ldarks]

That is what I call a TRUE EVENT ^^ <3

[Wolffe7]

Well I’m pretty sure everyone said that already. But I don’t really care, so I’m joining ya folks: #HypeTrain is real !!!

[courtlyTent]

Do i just have to be in-game to get it or what do i have to do?
~Kinda furious for a answer please

[courtlyTent]

And also kinda confused about the date is it after the 28th or before and how till how long?

[SpinnerzNQ]

It seems like people don’t like the KE81. It seems like one of the best loadouts.

[VincentRJaeger]

[quote=“courtlyTent;98348”]Do i just have to be in-game to get it or what do i have to do?
~Kinda furious for a answer please[/quote]

You just have to log in to get Phoenix / Cards and cases if you already have him.
Just log in within 1 week when the update hits and you’re set! B)

[Fiktio]

I thought that I’m already in heaven when I got today the only cobalt loadout I always wanted to for and now today I heard that Phoenix is going to get even more swag at following week.

[_Grim]

I like the idea of giving away a free Merc, and compensating those who purchased him already but I feel this should have been done without announcement.

However, the compensation value for those who already have the Merc is decreased by giving people a chance to obtain them who wouldn’t have done so naturally. This may be a ploy to get more money from customers from the quick sales generated off those who want the fancy red cards, but I feel it also leaves the customer base with the impression that its pointless to buy a Merc until one of the announcements happen, leaving Dirty Bomb in a cycle of money grabs.

[HoopleDoople]

[quote=“Lumi;98278”][quote=“HoopleDoople;98130”]I hate to rain on the parade, but I am very displeased with my pending compensation for already owning Phoenix.

First and foremost, I do not care about recolor skins one iota. A super rare obsidian skin gives me zero added enjoyment or effectiveness. I’d happily use a lead skin for my entire DB career if it came with a full set of augments. Second, because the obsidian is only one specific loadout, it won’t have the weapon I prefer and thus will see little to no use.

Elite cases aren’t much better. Again, the fact that they offer guaranteed cosmetic upgrades is meaningless to me. They also have a massive layer of RNG, so the odds I get a desirable loadout are low (and that’s assuming its even for a merc I own). As an example, the only loadouts above bronze I’ve found from cases so far are a silver Fletcher with Blishlok and a silver Bushwhacker with Blishlok.

As much as I dislike this compensation, I understand a lot of players are thrilled with it. I believe the best way to handle this is to give players who own Phoenix a choice. I propose the following options:

1. The already stated bonuses of obsidian skin plus 2 elite cases.
2. A full credit refund on Phoenix.
3. Choice of any gold Phoenix loadout plus a choice of any one bronze loadout.

Without these changes, I’ll have effectively wasted 50k credits to rent Phoenix for all of 2 weeks. Admittedly, it could be worse - I could have spent real money on him.[/quote]

So you don’t care about cosmetics but want a choice of gold loadouts? You sir, are a fraud…[/quote]

No, I don’t want the gold loadout. I want credits, plain and simple so I can get a different merc or a few specific loadouts. The reason I suggested that choice 3 be an option is for players who DO care about cosmetics but wouldn’t use the obsidian because it is the wrong loadout. If no one falls into this category the option can eliminated. I regret including this suggestion as it seems to have confused the issue.

[quote=“DMaster2;98308”][quote=“HoopleDoople;98130”]I hate to rain on the parade, but I am very displeased with my pending compensation for already owning Phoenix.

First and foremost, I do not care about recolor skins one iota. A super rare obsidian skin gives me zero added enjoyment or effectiveness. I’d happily use a lead skin for my entire DB career if it came with a full set of augments. Second, because the obsidian is only one specific loadout, it won’t have the weapon I prefer and thus will see little to no use.

Elite cases aren’t much better. Again, the fact that they offer guaranteed cosmetic upgrades is meaningless to me. They also have a massive layer of RNG, so the odds I get a desirable loadout are low (and that’s assuming its even for a merc I own). As an example, the only loadouts above bronze I’ve found from cases so far are a silver Fletcher with Blishlok and a silver Bushwhacker with Blishlok.

As much as I dislike this compensation, I understand a lot of players are thrilled with it. I believe the best way to handle this is to give players who own Phoenix a choice. I propose the following options:

1. The already stated bonuses of obsidian skin plus 2 elite cases.
2. A full credit refund on Phoenix.
3. Choice of any gold Phoenix loadout plus a choice of any one bronze loadout.

Without these changes, I’ll have effectively wasted 50k credits to rent Phoenix for all of 2 weeks. Admittedly, it could be worse - I could have spent real money on him.[/quote]
You are displeased because they give something to the community for free? No offense, but people like you deserve publishers like EA et similia that make only p2w games and you have to beg to get some kind of givaways/gifts. Get your elite cases and don’t be displeased, eventually you’ll have every merc and going after higher rarity will be your main focus (apart playing the actual game of course). They didn’t have to give those to us, they did so be grateful even tho they may not be of that much importance for you.[/quote]

I understand and appreciate the intent behind giving away Phoenix. I think giveaways are awesome, but I don’ t like the way this one was implemented. I’m trying to give some honest feedback on how to improve it.

With games that use the F2P model, the expectation is that the time or money (both of which have real value) one puts into acquiring content will be respected. Imagine that this giveaway didn’t compensate current Phoenix owners - most people who own Phoenix would be upset. Long time owners might feel they still got fair usage, but recent owners definitely would not. The devs are thankfully wise enough to compensate Phoenix owners, it just isn’t a form of compensation that has meaning to me. Almost all of you seem to disagree with me on this point, but you can hopefully understand my frustration.

I do not think I am asking for anything unreasonable. If the game had trading I could sell my obsidian plus elite cases for 50k credits easily (if not more). If my idea was implemented, anyone who doesn’t care about cosmetics would be able to get their 50k credits back and everyone else would get exactly what they’ve been promised. What could possibly be wrong with this idea?

[Lumi]

[quote=“HoopleDoople;98429”]

I do not think I am asking for anything unreasonable. If the game had trading I could sell my obsidian plus elite cases for 50k credits easily (if not more). If my idea was implemented, anyone who doesn’t care about cosmetics would be able to get their 50k credits back and everyone else would get exactly what they’ve been promised. What could possibly be wrong with this idea?[/quote]

You know, in many languages there is a saying that goes along these lines: One doesn’t look at a given horse’s teeth/mouth.

The basic meaning of it being that if something is given to you, you shouldn’t be ungrateful and complain about it. It just makes you sound spoiled: “But mooooom, I wanted an Xbox One, not a PS4…”

[HoopleDoople]

[quote=“Lumi;98436”][quote=“HoopleDoople;98429”]

I do not think I am asking for anything unreasonable. If the game had trading I could sell my obsidian plus elite cases for 50k credits easily (if not more). If my idea was implemented, anyone who doesn’t care about cosmetics would be able to get their 50k credits back and everyone else would get exactly what they’ve been promised. What could possibly be wrong with this idea?[/quote]

You know, in many languages there is a saying that goes along these lines: One doesn’t look at a given horse’s teeth/mouth.

The basic meaning of it being that if something is given to you, you shouldn’t be ungrateful and complain about it. It just makes you sound spoiled: “But mooooom, I wanted an Xbox One, not a PS4…”[/quote]

To which I would counter:

And when everyone’s super… no one will be.

Value is relative, particularly in competitive multiplayer gaming.

Owning Phoenix these past 2 weeks had indisputably real value. I had an extra (or at least different) merc at my disposal compared to those who did not own Phoenix. This put me on par with anyone who used their 50k credits on a different merc, such as Sparks. Once Phoenix is given away, everyone is now “super” so none of us are. Players gifted Phoenix do not get the same value as if they had purchased a merc, because they are not gaining relative to anyone (which is fine, since it’s a gift). Meanwhile, I lose the value of owning Phoenix that I previously had. By comparison, players who spent their 50k on Sparks have lost no value.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.

[superiorHeart]

So already tomorrow , we will get the free phoenix ? Cause I want to get fast phoenix to get the obsidian card and the cases.

[DMaster2]

[quote=“HoopleDoople;98454”]
To which I would counter:

And when everyone’s super… no one will be.

Value is relative, particularly in competitive multiplayer gaming.

Owning Phoenix these past 2 weeks had indisputably real value. I had an extra (or at least different) merc at my disposal compared to those who did not own Phoenix. This put me on par with anyone who used their 50k credits on a different merc, such as Sparks. Once Phoenix is given away, everyone is now “super” so none of us are. Players gifted Phoenix do not get the same value as if they had purchased a merc, because they are not gaining relative to anyone (which is fine, since it’s a gift). Meanwhile, I lose the value of owning Phoenix that I previously had. By comparison, players who spent their 50k on Sparks have lost no value.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.[/quote]
I just don’t get you. Did you spent real money? No? Then what you lost? Virtual value. That you can gain back easily by playing less than 2 weeks. In the meantime you had your “advantage” over other players by playing with Phoenix AND you get a loadout those players will never get (i’d kill to have the obsidian Vassili founders have, but i’ll never have it) along with 2 elite cases, that can be only purchased with real money. There is real value here. And i repeat it, credits comes (quite fast), those prizes won’t come again.

[RyePanda]

[quote=“CCP115;98255”]Is this the only time an obsidian Phoenix will be given out?

There is no way in hell I’m going to be able to get Phoenix before the update, and I’m really annoyed I can’t get the obsidian.[/quote]

Looks like you’ll need to spend money.

[Torch189]

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[HoopleDoople]

[quote=“DMaster2;98472”][quote=“HoopleDoople;98454”]
To which I would counter:

And when everyone’s super… no one will be.

Value is relative, particularly in competitive multiplayer gaming.

Owning Phoenix these past 2 weeks had indisputably real value. I had an extra (or at least different) merc at my disposal compared to those who did not own Phoenix. This put me on par with anyone who used their 50k credits on a different merc, such as Sparks. Once Phoenix is given away, everyone is now “super” so none of us are. Players gifted Phoenix do not get the same value as if they had purchased a merc, because they are not gaining relative to anyone (which is fine, since it’s a gift). Meanwhile, I lose the value of owning Phoenix that I previously had. By comparison, players who spent their 50k on Sparks have lost no value.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.[/quote]
I just don’t get you. Did you spent real money? No? Then what you lost? Virtual value. That you can gain back easily by playing less than 2 weeks. In the meantime you had your “advantage” over other players by playing with Phoenix AND you get a loadout those players will never get (i’d kill to have the obsidian Vassili founders have, but i’ll never have it) along with 2 elite cases, that can be only purchased with real money. There is real value here. And i repeat it, credits comes (quite fast), those prizes won’t come again.[/quote]

I’m really derailing this thread so this will be my last post on the topic. If you’d like the last rebuttal, be my guest. Just a few points to make:

1. There is no such thing as “virtual value”. Anything that has value has “real” value.

2. Time is also a currency. I’ve only got so much free time for gaming and I invested a significant proportion of it to acquire Phoenix. DB can respect that or not; I can continue investing time (or money, if I am ever so inclined) in DB or not.

3. The obsidian skin and elite cases are not fungible (i.e. they cannot be traded or otherwise used as currency). As a result they do not have a fixed value. You clearly value them very highly and I respect that. I only value them as highly as they can deliver me a desired loadout. You are more than welcome to disagree with my opinion of the value, but I would appreciate if you could respect that it is a matter of opinion.

4. The rate of credit gain varies wildly from player to player. Mine is undoubtedly much slower than most active players. I’ve got a lot of mercs and loadouts to purchase, with new ones coming out periodically. I do not foresee myself having a credit surplus for a very long time, and there’s no guarantee I’ll ever reach that point before I stop playing Dirty Bomb (temporarily or otherwise).

[Maggot]

[quote=“HoopleDoople;98130”]I hate to rain on the parade, but I am very displeased with my pending compensation for already owning Phoenix.

First and foremost, I do not care about recolor skins one iota. A super rare obsidian skin gives me zero added enjoyment or effectiveness. I’d happily use a lead skin for my entire DB career if it came with a full set of augments. Second, because the obsidian is only one specific loadout, it won’t have the weapon I prefer and thus will see little to no use.

Elite cases aren’t much better. Again, the fact that they offer guaranteed cosmetic upgrades is meaningless to me. They also have a massive layer of RNG, so the odds I get a desirable loadout are low (and that’s assuming its even for a merc I own). As an example, the only loadouts above bronze I’ve found from cases so far are a silver Fletcher with Blishlok and a silver Bushwhacker with Blishlok.

As much as I dislike this compensation, I understand a lot of players are thrilled with it. I believe the best way to handle this is to give players who own Phoenix a choice. I propose the following options:

1. The already stated bonuses of obsidian skin plus 2 elite cases.
2. A full credit refund on Phoenix.
3. Choice of any gold Phoenix loadout plus a choice of any one bronze loadout.

Without these changes, I’ll have effectively wasted 50k credits to rent Phoenix for all of 2 weeks. Admittedly, it could be worse - I could have spent real money on him.[/quote]

I’ve gotta say, I agree with this guy. I don’t care about skins. Honestly I prefer bronze skins to silver and up, with the exception of cobalt, simply because enemies can mistake your blue-ness for a teammate.

I’d prefer to get a refund so I could buy loadouts I want directly, rather than gambling with cases for skins I don’t like/loadouts I won’t use. Or perhaps unlock another merc.

Either way, free is free, I like free. So thank you, devs. I just wish this could’ve been announced a few days ago. lol

[n-x]

I dont mind either people get Phoenix for free, but I already have a Phoenix with the loadout I want. So I get some random loadouts for other mercs I maybe dont even have and a loadout for Phoenix I either already have in bronze or I dont need. I dont want to complain, it’s nice that you do something like this, but it just doesnt make sense.

[Lumi]

@HoopleDoople

You didn’t counter. A counter is something that goes against someone’s argument. You just said something else completely unrelated.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

If you’re ungrateful of something given, you are in fact a spoiled person. And you definitely don’t deserve this if you don’t appreciate it.

My God, you’re really that kid at Christmas that every family member hates because the only thing you do is complain about what you got and when one of your siblings gets the same you want something different and can’t be happy for them.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.

If you are that petty as to want to be above others or “super” because you own something that others don’t, just shame on you. And if that doesn’t make you happy, then buy stoker and stop complaining about a gift.

[n-x]

[quote=“Lumi;98522”]@HoopleDoople

You didn’t counter. A counter is something that goes against someone’s argument. You just said something else completely unrelated.

The question is if the alternate gift has an equal, greater, or lesser value than Phoenix had before. As I do not value cosmetics, these gifts have a clearly lesser value to me than Phoenix. A gift that results in lost value relative to other players is not a gift that will be appreciated.

If you’re ungrateful of something given, you are in fact a spoiled person. And you definitely don’t deserve this if you don’t appreciate it.

My God, you’re really that kid at Christmas that every family member hates because the only thing you do is complain about what you got and when one of your siblings gets the same you want something different and can’t be happy for them.

A simple choice of a credit refund on Phoenix, however, delivers exactly the value that Phoenix once had. I can then select a new merc to purchase that will place me ahead of or even to the competition in one aspect of the game.

If you are that petty as to want to be above others or “super” because you own something that others don’t, just shame on you. And if that doesn’t make you happy, then buy stoker and stop complaining about a gift.

[/quote]

But you kind of must understand, that for people who spend 50k on Phoneix and dont care about cosmetics, this compensation is kind of bad.

If you think about it, players use cobald cards, because sometimes the enemy team confuses them with team mates because of the blue elements. Dont the obsidian cards have red elements? So there is even a chance that the same thing happens only the other way around. Team mates confuses you with the enemy. So from a pure competitve stand point, you get something, that could even be a disadvantage for the 50k you invested.