Closed Beta Update V40323 Merc, Ability & Weapon Balancing

[spookify]

Getting damage first is plenty enough of a reward. I’m tired of whoever shoots first wins games. People enjoy having a chance, and hate things where you die and can’t do anything about it. Having that chance is what makes the game skill based. Having the “getting the drop” also promotes camping, which has never been loved, especially on a fast-paced game like this one.

In that gather yesterday all people were doing was camping…

[prophett]

Getting damage first is plenty enough of a reward. I’m tired of whoever shoots first wins games.

This will slow the game down even more (in addition to nerfing movement speeds) and promote camping :[

[PixelTwitch]

The problem is due to the client side nature the kick up does not apply when you would expect it to…

I still find myself running out, hitting a sniper and thinking “HA!” only to be hs…

[Smooth]

[QUOTE=PixelTwitch;514813]The problem is due to the client side nature the kick up does not apply when you would expect it to…

I still find myself running out, hitting a sniper and thinking “HA!” only to be hs…[/QUOTE]

The sniper wont receive your movement data before he receives your damage data, so the sniper actually shot before you fired at them, or the view kick wasn’t enough to disrupt their aim.

Yes due to latency, the shot from the sniper seems delayed but the sniper likely had quicker reactions and is rewarded for that with a headshot.

[spookify]

[QUOTE=Smooth;514848]The sniper wont receive your movement data before he receives your damage data, so the sniper actually shot before you fired at them, or the view kick wasn’t enough to disrupt their aim.

Yes due to latency, the shot from the sniper seems delayed but the sniper likely had quicker reactions and is rewarded for that with a headshot.[/QUOTE]

This client side hit stuff screwed me over in the last gather… Half the time I would be insta dead or would get this huge kick even before seeing the player… Is regional play going to have to be that big of a deal? OR is there something up with the VIP server and ticks or something? I mean a full OBJ server felt better then that VIP server…

[INF3RN0]

This client side hit stuff screwed me over in the last gather… Half the time I would be insta dead or would get this huge kick even before seeing the player… Is regional play going to have to be that big of a deal? OR is there something up with the VIP server and ticks or something? I mean a full OBJ server felt better then that VIP server…

Cough… you weren’t the only American playing. Gathers gonna be more challenging and pressured than a pub, you’ll get used to it .

[spookify]

Cough… you weren’t the only American playing. Gathers gonna be more challenging and pressured than a pub, you’ll get used to it .

True and my inexperience also showed

I did try to go after you as much as possible because it felt like a prolonged fight.

Smooth said today that the brunt of the balancing might come when the match making is put into the game and 5 v 5 matches are the brunt of the play. I can not wait for that day. Right now like everyone said we are in a huge TDM and this latest patch is a huge TDM Spamfest!

Inferno I will tell you one this that once this game takes off we will have gather for all USA players and Euros will also go their own way. Hate to bring up ET again but most USA players only played with Euro in Cups… Heck Euros even had their own leagues and ladders… What was it clan base was huge or something?

Here an Idea:

After all the performance and netcode is complete I would have an option for match making (Ranked, Unranked Pubs) for out of region play. Maybe something lucrative of something… Also I maybe blowing smoke because cross region game play is never going to happen OR it is going to happen all the time OR only happen for CUPS…

[prophett]

Cough… you weren’t the only American playing. Gathers gonna be more challenging and pressured than a pub, you’ll get used to it .

Having the “idgaf pub mindset” is a hard thing to just switch off when you throw yourself into a gather/organized scrim. Usually all it takes is one good beating to clue in and realize you aren’t indestructible.

Really looking forward to the point where there is a healthy competitive community so I can choose to not pub (whereas right now it’s the only choice and it ends up forming a lot of bad habits).

[spookify]

[QUOTE=prophett;514882]Having the “idgaf pub mindset” is a hard thing to just switch off when you throw yourself into a gather/organized scrim. Usually all it takes is one good beating to clue in and realize you aren’t indestructible.

Really looking forward to the point where there is a healthy competitive community so I can choose to not pub (whereas right now it’s the only choice and it ends up forming a lot of bad habits).[/QUOTE]

I agree once the match making and rank testing is put into the game and the balance is tweaked! Look out! I know my old clan mate will not pub however you throw in Match Making and ranked games and they will be all over it… If it is spammy, inconsistent or body shot range with High TTK they are out… Need the balance to be if you are getting shot in the back you can turn around and 3 or 4 dink someone in the face and kill them just like ET… Current patch Body Shot Pffffffffffffffffffttttttttttttt…

[PixelTwitch]

[QUOTE=Smooth;514848]The sniper wont receive your movement data before he receives your damage data, so the sniper actually shot before you fired at them, or the view kick wasn’t enough to disrupt their aim.

Yes due to latency, the shot from the sniper seems delayed but the sniper likely had quicker reactions and is rewarded for that with a headshot.[/QUOTE]

I know its fair mate, Just saying it feels funky due to expectations not being met with reality…
Just like them hit markers as you die then you see only 10 damage done to someone…

Really frustrates me >.<

EDIT: actually no, there is a gap for BOTH players where they avoid view kick after being shot…
Even if we both saw each other at the exact same ms, and reacted at the exact same ms, there is a chunk of time where neither of us receive the hit data. now, you would be correct if we was talking about pre-firing… However, “duel” style there is a barrier.

[spookify]

Has the lag or delay gotten worse this patch? I am being shot around corners much more this patch!

Are the NET setting different on the OBJ, SW and VIP servers? I can notice a difference when playing on them…

Even with shotguns aside I do not like this patch… Stokers gun is really the only gun to use… It is very accurate and easy to use…

[spookify]

Iron-sights:

With the newly increased kick while hit is SD prolonging the release of Add-On sights?

With the kick the way they are Iron-Sights and the current green dot a almost useless while hit. You have to be long range and camping to use it…

Just wondering SD’s thoughts on this because I was so pumped for Red-Dot and now I actually do not think it fits my play style.

What this comment comes from is I would hate a COD of BF player to come into DB and quit after 2 seconds because Add-On sights are useless… It is going to be a very fine line that SD is going to have to walk to keep people happy… I hope my feedback helps about the crazy kick while Iron-sighted and also I thought the speed move Iron-sight perk was also while sprinting? I do not think it is and is almost useless…

You should revisit the perks feedback again or post an updated one because a lot of the perks are useless… The ones that arent useless should be in the game like quicker weapon switch. I also have a bounce of double cards already

[Glottis-3D]

i am realy hating the game now.

the maps favour camping and spam. AND now the abilities favour the spam. and the slow down favors camping and visa versa.
so we have
spam^2 and camping^2 and slowpokeness^2

i even invented the word for this.
slowspamping. you can use it for nexy Heritage video or dirty dish.

[BomBaKlaK]

that’s Dirty for sure …

[spookify]

When we going to have another test on match making? And or the rank system?

Are you going to bring in the CC people again so the match making is trying to fill 10 slots with 8 ppl hahaha!!!

I actually saw 2 servers simi full yesterday! CRAZY!!

[xdc]

please add all the mercs in the next few updates… plus iron sights / attachments. i feel like im playing 1/4 of a game

…friends list / msg box (ETQW for example). OFC when this happens another XP reset will come…

[spookify]

[QUOTE=xdc;515231]please add all the mercs in the next few updates… plus iron sights / attachments. i feel like im playing 1/4 of a game

…friends list / msg box (ETQW for example). OFC when this happens another XP reset will come…[/QUOTE]

I am not sure that iron sight attachments will help… dhat green dot gun is pretty useless and for some reason rather it be damage or kick its hard to pop the head… shooting was crazy messed up this last update. The hit feedback is very idd right now. Guns need a lot of work again…

[INF3RN0]

I am not sure that iron sight attachments will help… dhat green dot gun is pretty useless and for some reason rather it be damage or kick its hard to pop the head… shooting was crazy messed up this last update. The hit feedback is very idd right now. Guns need a lot of work again…

The green dot on the new gun is way too big to the point that you’ll over/under aim most times. And the bullpup is polar opposite at 1pixel. What the heck man!

[xdc]

game doesn’t update fast enough, last few updates felt only minor. devs shouldn’t be taking breaks, jus sayin

tweaking the gameplay meanwhile their are no attachments, all mercs arent in the game, etc …

[chippy]

devs shouldn’t be taking breaks, jus sayin

Wait… What?