Can we get rid of the spectator function

(n-x) #1

Since a spectator is not kickable, can you please get rid of the whole function until you have a proper spectator mode, that doesnt take a player slot. It is so annoying to play with one man down.

(bontsa) #2

Sounds quite ridiculous to move it entirely, would suffice to lower the amount of votes needed to kick spectator drastically and actually display the needed votes right, seeing theres a visual bug considering that.

It does work just fine when enough votes are reached, spectators are kickable.

(Szakalot) #3

spectators ARE kickable but:

  • require >50% of total server count, like a shuffle vote
  • the requirement is badly displayed (only counts one team, half the server)

Would be great if this was fixed

@RazielWarmonic

(n-x) #4

wtf, seriously? We had 5/4 votes and it didnt pass. Hell, what shit is else broken in this game. Summer Squash my ass.

(bontsa) #5

Kelben as we both with Szakalot literally just said its displayed wrong. It shows votes required by one team only, not the entire server. Ofc the kick doesnt pass with 5 when real requirement is 8 instead of 4, get it?

This visual bug’s been around before the squash and seeing the actual kick DOES work if enough votes are gathered, I doubt its high priority fix. Should be done fast though its such pain in the ass inconveniency.

(K1X455) #6

You know RNG? Yep!!!

(n-x) #7

I understood perfectly what you said. It’s just so, I really don’t want to say pathetic.

The fact alone that a spectator takes a Player Slot, the fact that it takes so many votes for the Kick plus it gets displayed wrong. The development of this game is just so disheartening slow. We just had 3 Patches completely dedicated to Bug fixes and it feels that another 3 would be needed to get this game in a proper state.

Oh, yeah. As I don’t think SD is capable to fix the wrong Display or reduce the needed amount let alone introduce a spectator Mode that doesn’t take away Player Slot, I am still in favor of taking the spectator function out.

(coruscate) #8

This is a fundamentally flawed Idea… since I’m pretty certain dynamic servers are in the far future and therefore you would need to fix a amount of “slots” that are reserved for spectators… Since I dont know how much these slots would matter with performance I’m pretty certain they cant just crank them up to 100 so lets be realistic and think about an “real” amount of spectators that MAY occur, lets say 4 - 6 right? now with knowing that you dont take up a normal slot I would be way more inclined to just jump into the spectator mode and hover around the map while im talking to what ever person just called me or what ever task I fullfill while still thinking about going back to the game. Now I wont be the only one who does this, so the slots might be filling up at some point since people can join for the slot that I opened in the game. Now we got the maximum of 6 players in spectate and a full server… what happens now? the next person that is joining spectator has either no SPECTATE only slot or simply cant do it. Is it fair to say that someone that really want to spectate that player on the enemy team cant do so? Is it fair that HE now takes up one game slot? Is it technically possible to have “dynamic” slots AND spectator slots (probably since they could easily lock 6 slots to spec only)

But as said in the opening I dont know how that would affect performance.

(n-x) #9

@Coruscate I dont care, what you do to go to spectator mode and what not. Fact is that one spectator atm causes an imbalance in the game. The only real system for spectators in the future would be something like QTV,HLTV (so DBTV maybe). As this is ages away and every spectator on a full server is detrimental to the game happening, I say get rid of the function.

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #10

@Kelben Well tbh the spectator function didn’t used to do that. When the lobby ui got overhauled though early this year (I don’t recall the exact date but it wasn’t til after the end of the xmas event from 2015) it got broken somehow and started counting it as a player slot.

As for spectator slots in general the method of it is, technically speaking, simple but something apparently got botched with the overhaul and is still unfixed so really all we can do is hope they are aware, or are made so, so that this gets fixed in due time.

Side Note: If you aren’t sure what I’m referring to there are a good few videos which have that lobby shown on youtube (they’ll all be a year old or around that).

EDIT: Addendum I must’ve just not realized it because the servers were often not full at the time.

(Nail) #11

a slot is a slot, doesn’t matter if it’s a spec or a player, they use the same server resources, removing spec removes the ability to record cheats, best for Nexon to add dedicated spec slots to the servers but that costs money. I wouldn’t hold my breath

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #12

@Nail Well in my post essentially what I was meaning to point out is that it used to have those but they apparently got removed when they revamped the lobby (if not botched up in some way).

That aside if they did remove them they really should add it back or implement a demorec spectator if they would rather pay for just one slot to have video evidence for hacker reports. As it stands right now it is indeed just a problem by being there so it needs to be addressed in some shape or form.

(Nail) #13

spec has always used a slot even in Alpha

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #14

@Nail Ah well, I must’ve been mistaken, but in either event it is something that needs to be addressed. Its current design is inherently problematic (though admittedly more often in pub games) and with the majority playerbase being pub players it is something that should be noted and addressed.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #15

Probably won’t be addressed before casual matchmaking is introduced.

(Jostabeere) #16

[quote=“bontsa;210921”]Kelben as we both with Szakalot literally just said its displayed wrong. It shows votes required by one team only, not the entire server. Ofc the kick doesnt pass with 5 when real requirement is 8 instead of 4, get it?

This visual bug’s been around before the squash and seeing the actual kick DOES work if enough votes are gathered, I doubt its high priority fix. Should be done fast though its such pain in the ass inconveniency.[/quote]

You said it yourself. It’s a bug, right. So technically, he is right.

(bontsa) #17

I don’t quite follow. The discussion after those quoted lines show that there was a misunderstandment in Kelben’s words from my side? Yes, it’s a bug that vote-box shows visually incorrect amount of votes needed in order to get a spectator kicked, but the kick itself works just fine when real required amount of “yes” votes are casted. So technically, what?

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #18

@pumpkinmeerkat In honesty I’ll be happy as long as its addressed at all so I just hope it does get fixed at some point.

(hawkeyeguy99) #19

I’ve honestly never noticed the problem. Where does it even display spectators?

(GatoCommodore) #20

i used spectator to see Hacks and cheaters in action then resulting on reports.
if it was removed, how do i spectate those cheaters?