Burst rifles as of today

(FalC_16) #1

Hey all

I actually wanted to create a real discussion around this topic. I know there are some spam threads already, closed by admins…but what is your opinion on the current state of our burst rifles.

Pre CW patch I was loving the BR-16. It rekt people. Now it feels sluggish although the re-fire rate was buffed. I can’t say that about Stark. I think Stark kicks some butts now. The gap between the two is quite significant now. Its re-fire rate is very decent and the DPS is quite crazy. Also any CQC engagement feels feasible.

Your thoughts?

(neverplayseriou) #2

To much dmg imo

(WaffleMonster) #3

The br 16 has better dps than the stark as the delay between bursts is shorter. The stark however does more damage per burst and each burst is fired faster. The biggest issue with the br16 imo is its terrible firing sound. I just use the stark now.

(omegaskorpion) #4

Actualy no, the BR-16 fires slower but has less delay between burst. However the Stark fires the burst faster meaning that more shots will land on moving target.

BR-16 does 17 damage and Stark does 18. At first this looks good for the stark, however they both need same amouth of shots to kill, so it does not actualy help stark at all, only in realy long ranges.

i like the stark as of now.

However i think they should change some stats so Stark would deal 60 damage per burst and would have slower fire rate and slightly more delay between burst, and increasing BR fire rate and lower the delay and damage to make BR faster overall.
Would make them more diverse since they have same role right now.

(Eox) #5

Actualy no, the BR-16 fires slower but has less delay between burst. However the Stark fires the burst faster meaning that more shots will land on moving target.

BR-16 does 17 damage and Stark does 18. At first this looks good for the stark, however they both need same amouth of shots to kill, so it does not actualy help stark at all, only in realy long ranges.

i like the stark as of now.

However i think they should change some stats so Stark would deal 60 damage per burst and would have slower fire rate and slightly more delay between burst, and increasing BR fire rate and lower the delay and damage to make BR faster overall.
Would make them more diverse since they have same role right now. [/quote]

Oh wow wow wow… 60 damage per bursts ? It’s allows you to down a 120 hp merc from across the map in a single burst. It’s insane ! Burst fire weapons are not snipers. :confused:

(omegaskorpion) #6

Actualy no, the BR-16 fires slower but has less delay between burst. However the Stark fires the burst faster meaning that more shots will land on moving target.

BR-16 does 17 damage and Stark does 18. At first this looks good for the stark, however they both need same amouth of shots to kill, so it does not actualy help stark at all, only in realy long ranges.

i like the stark as of now.

However i think they should change some stats so Stark would deal 60 damage per burst and would have slower fire rate and slightly more delay between burst, and increasing BR fire rate and lower the delay and damage to make BR faster overall.
Would make them more diverse since they have same role right now. [/quote]

Oh wow wow wow… 60 damage per bursts ? It’s allows you to down a 120 hp merc from across the map in a single burst. It’s insane ! Burst fire weapons are not snipers. :/[/quote]

Couch… just as i was saying that the BURST FIRES SLOWER and BURST DELAY IS INCREASED for the price of MORE DAMAGE.

(FalC_16) #7

Yes it feels that Stark is more powerful than BR. Most of the seasoned players who mastered their skills in DB are playing with burst rifles and they just dominate everybody.

I ain’t saying the guns should be nerfed back, but I like the idea of having them a bit more diverse.

To be honest I am not sure what BR16 represents in real life, but I would assume its some sort of carbine. HK416 perhaps? This should be an all round rifle which should do good also close range. While Stark is Steyr , long barrel bullpup rifle which is supposedly to be used for long range engagement. I know this game is not supposed to be reflecting realism, but I’d love to have some reference to it at least.

(watsyurdeal) #8

Personally I feel like the Stark is in a good place, but the BR 16 should go back to how it was, albeit a SLIGHTLY slower burst delay so the mouse wheel offers no advantage over the left click.

(WaffleMonster) #9

the mouse wheel offered no real advantage before hand if you got used to clicking with the br 16.

(watsyurdeal) #10

It was a small advantage, but still there, all I’m saying is they should have it to where it’s literally the exact same.

(sonsofaugust5) #11

Actualy no, the BR-16 fires slower but has less delay between burst. However the Stark fires the burst faster meaning that more shots will land on moving target.

BR-16 does 17 damage and Stark does 18. At first this looks good for the stark, however they both need same amouth of shots to kill, so it does not actualy help stark at all, only in realy long ranges.

i like the stark as of now.

However i think they should change some stats so Stark would deal 60 damage per burst and would have slower fire rate and slightly more delay between burst, and increasing BR fire rate and lower the delay and damage to make BR faster overall.
Would make them more diverse since they have same role right now. [/quote]

Oh wow wow wow… 60 damage per bursts ? It’s allows you to down a 120 hp merc from across the map in a single burst. It’s insane ! Burst fire weapons are not snipers. :/[/quote]

No not really. With range, the stark’s vertical recoil is very noticable.

(sonsofaugust5) #12

I like the br over the stark because there is a shorter delay between shots and less vertical recoil, especially noticable over distance. Also the stark’s scope is the same thing as the normal view but with a big barrel blocking some vision

(Amerika) #13

Burst rifles, both of them, are insane. I wouldn’t mind seeing the BR16 going back to almost the way it was to appease those players but honestly it’s better now since you can actually control it at max RoF unlike before. However, the difference between it and the Stark is pretty minimal in real world play. The burst rifles have become my goto weapons for pretty much every class that can equip them except Skyhammer (just used to the M4 on him) and Frager (k121 for life).

All I do is left click heads all day and people fall over. Sometimes people die so fast I accidentally fire another burst on death and instantly gib them too. They are seriously crazy.

(sonsofaugust5) #14

@amerika true. i usually pick burst rifles too as the driess is awful (kira/arty).

(CCP115) #15

Stark is so painful. Literally, it does so muh damage. It’s incredible now, I always did like the AUG.
The BR definitely feels worse. It’s not as strong as the Stark and I would personally like it to be reverted to pre CW levels.

(Grave_Knight) #16

Actualy no, the BR-16 fires slower but has less delay between burst. However the Stark fires the burst faster meaning that more shots will land on moving target.

BR-16 does 17 damage and Stark does 18. At first this looks good for the stark, however they both need same amouth of shots to kill, so it does not actualy help stark at all, only in realy long ranges.

i like the stark as of now.

However i think they should change some stats so Stark would deal 60 damage per burst and would have slower fire rate and slightly more delay between burst, and increasing BR fire rate and lower the delay and damage to make BR faster overall.
Would make them more diverse since they have same role right now. [/quote]

Uh, that’s exactly what he just said. Here is a cleaned up version of their post:

The BR-16 has better DPS than the Stark AR, the delay between each bursts with the BR is shorter. The Stark however does more damage per burst, and has less delay between rounds. The biggest issue with the BR in my opinion is its terrible firing sound. I just use the Stark AR now.

Didn’t really have to do much. My guess you were confused by the first sentence (I could see you reading that as the Stark having less delay between bursts and not the BR has less delay between bursts).

(WaffleMonster) #17

For the the inconvenience of having to use your mouse wheel and not being able to pace your bursts in certain situations, to me it was more of a disadvantage and thats why regular users of the br16 never used the exploit.

(Amerika) #18

For the the inconvenience of having to use your mouse wheel and not being able to pace your bursts in certain situations, to me it was more of a disadvantage and thats why regular users of the br16 never used the exploit.[/quote]

You’re right. Everyone who used it just used a mouse macro instead.

(Tanker_Ray) #19

As I’m Thunder lover who’s using Huge SMG called MK.46, these two burst rifles are definitely quite strong nowadays.

Especially BR-16.

After they fixed the RPM bug, (100ms to 133ms) those two just went out of orbit I think.

Stark’s mag and delay is ok(I still think it is very strong though. May be because I am huge target to them with squishy 160HP…), but BR-16 seems quite too flexible.

Stark has 1 more damage and 1meter longer range, but DPS, recoil of BR-16 and handful 30 rounds are so good. (Also, gotta remind all of you that burst rifles have best range in the game except sniper rifles, which means those two were designed to fight long distances.)

Imo, they should nerf the gun a bit, especially BR-16 is destroying people in CQC with headshots…

So much stopping power you know. Female mercs are just instantly lie down with couple headshots with it.

(Amerika) #20

I use the Stark on Thunder now instead of the MK46. It’s simply more useful at more ranges despite the lack of a huge magazine. I am averaging 6.5KPM with both guns so it might be placebo but I just like the ranges the Stark lets me play in compared to the MK46. After the hotfix today I should try the MK46 again though since flashbangs, hopefully, are fixed.