Brink Whiners-Enough Already

(shango1963) #1

It’s amazing, folks, how many people are whining about Brink as if it’s the worse game ever made.

I’ve played the game, on PS3 AND 360, since May 10th, and aside from the lag issues (yes, this most definately must be fixed), the game is great. I’ve played with friends and random players and, once the initial mic shiness is over, the level of coordination and tension this game achieves is second to none. I won’t even go into the deep customization options found here.

Again, there are things to be fixed, but the game works if played as intended.

Now, while not knocking the COD franchise (Iam tired of the constant crowing of it as the best ever made-it’s not), I remember being in a party with friends, in MW2 and having to constantly exit lobbies at a certain time inorder to keep attempting to finally be able to enter one with my party intact, or having my party split up into different lobbies after launch. MW2 also had to be patched to achieve proper matchmaking and the like.

To all you whiners: give the game the same chances you’ve given COD and others you’ve liked. The game hasn’t even been out a month yet and folks are writing it off as a disaster.

Likewise, if you’re lonewolfing it, either think about the team, someone other than yourself, or play something which caters to your lonewolf play style. Folks, appreciate the use of a fireteam; that’s what this game is all about (can’t emphasize this enough).

The objectives based gameplay is the type of play mature FPS fans like me can appreciate. I’m tired of DM/TDM-it’s time to innovate-to have the cajones to do something else challenging. If you’re playing mostly for the xp, play something else. The devs. made it clear which direction the game was headed. There was no deception there. Maybe people hearing what they wanted to here, but this game has largely been true to its intentions: objective based team play. Will it satisfy everone? No-what game can? Is there more to be added…? That’s what the upcoming DLC and Brink 2’ll be for.

Constructive criticism for something you actually like is one thing, but to come on a game forum (to actually create an account) to go on a bashing rampage is silly.

Splash Damage: fix the bugs and everything’ll be Cool 'N The Gang, babe.

(sirius89) #2

We don’t “whine” about the game in general,cause it would be GREAT,what we “whine” about is that this game was released in such a HORRIBLE state which is,as a costumer nearly unacceptable.
A product,which isn’t even working correctly is unacceptable and should be retreated from the market if you ask me.A new car which has still some failures in the electronic or something will not be pushed out till it’s not fixed.Why PC games not?Cause they “only” cost 60 bucks and not 30.000 like a normal car?

Two complete different things.

(shango1963) #3

[QUOTE=sirius89;320617]We don’t “whine” about the game in general,cause it would be GREAT,what we “whine” about is that this game was released in such a HORRIBLE state which is,as a costumer nearly unacceptable.
A product,which isn’t even working correctly is unacceptable and should be retreated from the market if you ask me.A new car which has still some failures in the electronic or something will not be pushed out till it’s not fixed.Why PC games not?Cause they “only” cost 60 bucks and not 30.000 like a normal car?

Two complete different things.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, yet no one who “loves” COD has asked for it to be stricken from the market place, despite, as I’ve noted, it’s bugs (and cheat exploits…and nine year olds screaming into the mic…or tea bags). Computers and computer software have issues, but I don’t see anyone asking them to be “recalled” out of existence.

The game’s not a PC exclusive; cars cost more than 30.000 I hope (or did you mean 30,000.00) or they’re gonna be alot of happy car buyers(!); and yes, cars, like other products, are “pushed out” sometimes with “bugs intact.” That’s why they are then “recalled.”

Constructively criticize for the good of the product; bashing a game you don’t like, on its forums, is not constructive criticism-it is trolling at the least.

(H0RSE) #4

[QUOTE=sirius89;320617]We don’t “whine” about the game in general,cause it would be GREAT,what we “whine” about is that this game was released in such a HORRIBLE state which is,as a costumer nearly unacceptable.
A product,which isn’t even working correctly is unacceptable and should be retreated from the market if you ask me.A new car which has still some failures in the electronic or something will not be pushed out till it’s not fixed.Why PC games not?Cause they “only” cost 60 bucks and not 30.000 like a normal car?

Two complete different things.[/QUOTE]

lo, you’re ridiculous. Like no other game ever, has launched with problems…please. And to make your rebuttal even less credible, the problems in Brink are minor. Even the lag, which seems to be the biggest problem, is a minor problem, since it isn’t affecting everyone.

I bet you a million dollars, if an established franchise, like Halo, CoD, Gears, Battlefield, etc. released a game that had the same problems that Brink has, there wouldn’t be half as many people complaining.

(shango1963) #5

[QUOTE=H0RSE;320631]lo, you’re ridiculous. Like no other game ever, has launched with problems…please. And to make your rebuttal even less credible, the problems in Brink are minor. Even the lag, which seems to be the biggest problem, is a minor problem, since it isn’t affecting everyone.

I bet you a million dollars, if an established franchise, like Halo, CoD, Gears, Battlefield, etc. released a game that had the same problems that Brink has, there wouldn’t be half as many people complaining.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I have every last one of the titles noted, and not ONE of them was lag/other issues free…Not one.

(DazTroyer) #6

Here Here OP, agree with you whole heartily.

I seem to think Black Ops was unplayable on PS3 for months, might still be? So was CoD2 at launch, far worse than Brink. CoD 3 didn’t lag much but I don’t think I ever got all my mates in one lobby. MW2 was just as bad, all from the “best” game ever.

I say lets see what SD does to fix things as the core game is brilliant imo.

(Overgear) #7

Hating on Brink was probably the cool thing to do last week

(H0RSE) #8

Basically.

Before launch, Brink was a potential “threat” to many peoples beloved FPS games. Now that it launched with problems (no matter how big or small) players take comfort in bashing it. It gives them peace ridiculing something that had them on edge all these months.

(Shotgun Surgeon) #9

[QUOTE=H0RSE;320631]lo, you’re ridiculous. Like no other game ever, has launched with problems…please. And to make your rebuttal even less credible, the problems in Brink are minor. Even the lag, which seems to be the biggest problem, is a minor problem, since it isn’t affecting everyone.

I bet you a million dollars, if an established franchise, like Halo, CoD, Gears, Battlefield, etc. released a game that had the same problems that Brink has, there wouldn’t be half as many people complaining.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And the key word there is established. HALO established itself with HALO:CE, which had more content and less problems than Brink. COD established itself with both COD1 AND COD4, whereas COD4 brought in hundreds of thousands of players with its addicting gunplay. Battlefield has LONGGG established itself with BF1942. That game alone defines online gaming and it didn’t even have a proper campaign mode, just like Brink. It was simple gun on gun, vehicle on vehicle gameplay and it was fun and addicting to just even play one map 24/7.

Now how does Brink compare? It isn’t even an established game yet and it already made many mistakes. The games you listed, they had the luxury of not having that many big competitors. Now you’re looking at an age where Brink will be compared to the likes of HALO 3 & Reach, COD4 through Black Ops, BF1942 through BF2 and BC2. And this year, games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 are going to be released. The way Brink was released, it wasn’t good for the name. I don’t think it will be able to establish itself as one of the “big” games out there.

The game was just really hyped up and it just didn’t meet expectations. And it’s just getting really boring really fast… and I used to love this game.

(Hurlbag) #10

Was waiting for one of these threads, agree with OP completley.

The game itself imo is incredibly fun, while it’s beyond questionable why it was released with all the serious problems that prevent most people from playing - they will be fixed.

The bugs suck, not the game - I’ve given up playing til patch as frequent crashes stop me from playing but I still have hope, so should you if you enjoy the game for what it is and not the technical difficulties.

(H0RSE) #11

Exactly. And the key word there is established.

This means nothing…

Frank Zappa basically said, once somebody is famous, they can release anything, and people will buy it and love it. He put this to the test by purposely writing absolutely horrible songs, and watched as people bought them and loved them.

In other words - The biggest thing established franchises have, is a name. The games could be absolutely horrible, and people would still play them. On the same note, new IP’s (like Brink) can release with the same or less bugs than a game in a franchise, - it can even be an all around better game, but since it hasn’t had time to build up a fanbase, it will be ridiculed 10x as much.

Franchise games also have bias in their favor - players will stick by and defend their beloved COD’s and Halo’s, that they have been enjoying for years, regardless if it is absolute crap or not. And they definitely won’t hesitate to point the finger and bash any “lowly newcomer” that enters the arena (Brink.)

(shango1963) #12

[QUOTE=Shotgun Surgeon;320659]Exactly. And the key word there is established. HALO established itself with HALO:CE, which had more content and less problems than Brink. COD established itself with both COD1 AND COD4, whereas COD4 brought in hundreds of thousands of players with its addicting gunplay. Battlefield has LONGGG established itself with BF1942. That game alone defines online gaming and it didn’t even have a proper campaign mode, just like Brink. It was simple gun on gun, vehicle on vehicle gameplay and it was fun and addicting to just even play one map 24/7.

Now how does Brink compare? It isn’t even an established game yet and it already made many mistakes. The games you listed, they had the luxury of not having that many big competitors. Now you’re looking at an age where Brink will be compared to the likes of HALO 3 & Reach, COD4 through Black Ops, BF1942 through BF2 and BC2. And this year, games like Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 are going to be released. The way Brink was released, it wasn’t good for the name. I don’t think it will be able to establish itself as one of the “big” games out there.

The game was just really hyped up and it just didn’t meet expectations. And it’s just getting really boring really fast… and I used to love this game.[/QUOTE]

Brink will be compared to other games by those who wish comparisons, those who wish to purchase through some level of safety. For those of us with the ballz to try something new, a better experience may await us-as with Brink. I don’t buy a thing based on name or whom reps. it-I could care less. Brink’s content alone surpasses those of many other titles.

And as for “boring,” what game are you playing? I doubt very seriously that, aside from some map content, much has changed from one COD entry to the next. Brink’s hardly boring.

(Swimmy) #13

[QUOTE=shango1963;320630]Interesting, yet no one who “loves” COD has asked for it to be stricken from the market place, despite, as I’ve noted, it’s bugs (and cheat exploits…and nine year olds screaming into the mic…or tea bags). Computers and computer software have issues, but I don’t see anyone asking them to be “recalled” out of existence.

The game’s not a PC exclusive; cars cost more than 30.000 I hope (or did you mean 30,000.00) or they’re gonna be alot of happy car buyers(!); and yes, cars, like other products, are “pushed out” sometimes with “bugs intact.” That’s why they are then “recalled.”

Constructively criticize for the good of the product; bashing a game you don’t like, on its forums, is not constructive criticism-it is trolling at the least.[/QUOTE]

There we go again. Bring “COD” into the argument. The difference is the problems with COD are minor nuances that don’t really effect the overall game.

Brink was on the store shelves and felt like a 20 dollar arcade game you’d buy on the xbox live marketplace.

(shango1963) #14

[QUOTE=H0RSE;320657]Basically.

Before launch, Brink was a potential “threat” to many peoples beloved FPS games. Now that it launched with problems (no matter how big or small) players take comfort in bashing it. It gives them peace ridiculing something that had them on edge all these months.[/QUOTE]

Bingo; well said and couldn’t have put it better.

(shango1963) #15

[QUOTE=Swimmy;320725]There we go again. Bring “COD” into the argument. The difference is the problems with COD are minor nuances that don’t really effect the overall game.

Brink was on the store shelves and felt like a 20 dollar arcade game you’d buy on the xbox live marketplace.[/QUOTE]

You can’t be serious. Nothing minor about the umpteenth nuc strike, I can’t shoot so let me figure out a way to get an airstrike to nuc the whole enemy squad…thing. Battlefield, a great, has at least not added that crap in there. I’ve added COD because it is the COD crowd throwing the most venom this way.

(Bakercompany) #16

Most of the people who just troll are gone already. They came out the first week, made their flames, and left.

Theres a couple who pop up now and again, but mostly the people left are just trying to improve Brink.

Theres a few disappointments in Brink for me, but i’ll still play it because its still fun. The grenade change I don’t like. Of all the graphical things that were dropped, I think grenades were the biggest change. I don’t know why they added a snail trail to it, and removed the awesome explosions. Even in the highest def PC vids i’ve seen the grenades are lackluster. I like the effect, and they’re very useful thats not my beef. Just the look.

CoD isn’t my favorite shooter. But 2 sequels in a row claiming the Guiness World Record for the best selling FPS of all time. MW2 had several records, including the best selling entertainment product of all time, and a 94% on metacritic. Not to mention as of March 2010, it had amassed 25 million unique players. Its hard to argue that success, love it or hate it.

It obtained those because of its extremely high level of polish, and the fact that even the graphics on the xbox were impressive. Proving that while PC games will always look better for sure, consoles don’t have to suffer that much. Everything in that game looked fantastic. Brink had to make a huge sacrifice in the graphics department. People say its a hardware thing, but I bet they could have made it work where it still looked like the initial videos at least somewhat instead of the watered down clone we got.

(Wildkarrde) #17

As so often we whingers have been told to be patient that the game will be fixed etc…
I think it’s only fair that people be patient because we will stop whining when the game is fixed.

(CalUKGR) #18

I’ll quit whining when SD give me full 360 controller support for the PC version of Brink. If they don’t, when this fabled patch arrives, the game gets uninstalled and I’ll never look at it again.

Can’t say fairer - they already have my money and my good faith.

(Ghostdog) #19

[QUOTE=H0RSE;320657]
Before launch, Brink was a potential “threat” to many peoples beloved FPS games. Now that it launched with problems (no matter how big or small) players take comfort in bashing it. It gives them peace ridiculing something that had them on edge all these months.[/QUOTE]

Could be - there are certainly some dedicated Brink-bashers on the Steam forums.

Thing is, there are people with legitimate problems and there are also those who just seem set on bashing the game at every opportunity.

(Rubbaduren) #20

[QUOTE=H0RSE;320657]Basically.

Before launch, Brink was a potential “threat” to many peoples beloved FPS games. Now that it launched with problems (no matter how big or small) players take comfort in bashing it. It gives them peace ridiculing something that had them on edge all these months.[/QUOTE]

Have to agree with this. Last week, there was 2 or 3 hating topics on the forums front page. And everyone seemed like someone was happy that the game had some (serious) issues. I found, that many of them included information that was not true, like the SMART-system having serious bugs.

Found a little funny; some people complained about not having TDM/CTF etc. Then some of the same people could complain about it beeing a TDM around the objective in the escort missions…
-.-