brink could have used more publicity

(DarkangelUK) #41

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;354156]This makes it all clear. Highlighted.

I will say this and this has merit: many people who hate Brink could not complete the single player campaign, for many reasons, one of them being it was too challenging and at the end of the day, that clouds much of their opinion. People don’t like to be defeated. So they blame the game. Read between the lines.[/QUOTE]

Ah so we’re back to blaming the gamer rather than the game, since you like to bold stuff I did it as well (the rest was nonsense so I deleted it). Do you regularly speak to haters of the game to form the opinion that they hate it because they couldn’t complete it? Do you have evidence of this or is this your own wild (conspiracy) theory… because it’s easy to blame mythical people who have never said this therefore it can’t be denied either? And you think my assessment of you being fanatical about the game is irrelevant? Now you’re stooping to lying and inventing scenarios to defend the game… pathetic.

So with regards to PC as we can’t see hard facts about consoles like we can with Steam stats, if we’re being generous we’ll say 200,000 people bought the game (I believe numbers showed at least 75,000+ were store bought with no digital download stats release). At the moment Brinks peak is averaging 700 players per evening, we’ll round off to 1000 to again be generous and account for those that never play at peak times. So that means 199,000, 99.5% of PC players stopped playing the game. Now you said ‘many people’… how many is many people? Many sounds like a lot… more than half? Since I’m being generous, we’ll go with half… so 100,000 ‘haters’ simply stopped playing Brink because they couldn’t complete the Solo-MP portion, is that what you’re saying? 50,000? 25,000? How many is ‘many’?

In your own words, what would cause 99.5% of purchasers to stop playing Brink, a game primed as MP and by that facet, aimed at having a replay factor? Remember how I said you and al thought you were the only 2 people to ‘get’ Brink and no one else could? Thanks for confirming my point :wink: Because I honestly think that you believe 99.5% of purchasers are wrong and Brink is perfection that they don’t understand.

(wolfnemesis75) #42

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;354166]Ah so we’re back to blaming the gamer rather than the game, since you like to bold stuff I did it as well (the rest was nonsense so I deleted it). Do you regularly speak to haters of the game to form the opinion that they hate it because they couldn’t complete it? Do you have evidence of this or is this your own wild (conspiracy) theory… because it’s easy to blame mythical people who have never said this therefore it can’t be denied either? And you think my assessment of you being fanatical about the game is irrelevant? Now you’re stooping to lying and inventing scenarios to defend the game… pathetic.

So with regards to PC as we can’t see hard facts about consoles like we can with Steam stats, if we’re being generous we’ll say 200,000 people bought the game (I believe numbers showed at least 75,000+ were store bought with no digital download stats release). At the moment Brinks peak is averaging 700 players per evening, we’ll round off to 1000 to again be generous and account for those that never play at peak times. So that means 199,000, 99.5% of PC players stopped playing the game. Now you said ‘many people’… how many is many people? Many sounds like a lot… more than half? Since I’m being generous, we’ll go with half… so 100,000 ‘haters’ simply stopped playing Brink because they couldn’t complete the Solo-MP portion, is that what you’re saying? 50,000?

In your own words, what would cause 99.5% of purchasers to stop playing Brink, a game primed as MP and by that facet, aimed at having a replay factor? Remember how I said you and al thought you were the only 2 people to ‘get’ Brink and no one else could? Thanks for confirming my point :wink: Because I honestly think that you believe 99.5% of purchasers are wrong and Brink is perfection that they don’t understand.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you are talking about at all. You’re lost in the void, brother. Or inferring from what I said and grasping at straws. Please re-read my comments, and don’t quote them out of context. I didn’t do that to you, it discredits your retort/post. Again, I am on XBOX. I don’t play on PC. I don’t use that as the basis for my opinion. Ever. And yes: Brink’s single player campaign is too challenging for many casual gamers. Too hard. Like Veteran difficulty in CODMW. Too hard for many players. Fact.

(DarkangelUK) #43

Nice way of avoiding my questions. If you’re going to make wild accusations, then have the info to back it up instead of inventing mythical infos to help your argument. So, are you going to answer my questions or cower away behind comments that can’t be proved either way? How can something be claimed as ‘fact’ when there’s nothing to prove it as fact? If you have the evidence, please show us it.

It sounds like fun, let me try. Many people stopped playing Brink because it didn’t have a single player portion. Wow that IS fun! Ok, you can answer my questions now.

(gooey79) #44

Is it a fair statement to say people probably mostly purchased Brink as their next Multiplayer game?

If you agree with that statement, then I’d question why ‘single player’ made them stop playing the game. Many players probably do find Veteran difficulty hard on CoD:MW but guess what? The Multiplayer keeps them playing.

If the Multiplayer nailed it, why would Brink be any different?

(V1cK_dB) #45

Dude…what the hell are you talking about? This game has HORRIBLE SP. Period. Fact. The difficulty has nothing to do with it. It’s MP with bots. I’m on the XBOX also. My experience has been supbar. I haven’t been able to play a competition match in about 3 weeks…since they made it where everyone has to ready up and all 10 players have to be in the match (HORRIBLE DECISION). The last 3 times I’ve tried to play standard it’s been 8v2 with the rest being bots. Hate to break it to you bruh but this game’s matchmaking/multiplayer experience is absolutely horrible.

This coming from someone who actually likes the game when I can get into one which is rare nowadays…on the XBOX. And before you say it yes I have friends who play this game and some are on this forum but it’s embarrassing that I even have to do that to get into one and not everyone is on at the times that I’m on. Could this game be good. Yes. Is it good now in either SP or MP? Absolutely not.

(wolfnemesis75) #46

[QUOTE=*goo;354171]Is it a fair statement to say people probably mostly purchased Brink as their next Multiplayer game?

If you agree with that statement, then I’d question why ‘single player’ made them stop playing the game. Many players probably do find Veteran difficulty had on CoD:MW but guess what? The Multiplayer keeps them playing.

If the Multiplayer nailed it, why wouldn’t Brink?[/QUOTE]

No. Most people purchased it for the single player. That’s what I’ve been saying from day one and continue to point out. Most people who buy games don’t play multplayer: fact. COD is the exception rather than the rule. I’d also argue that many people who play COD still only play Single Player and not MP too. After you beat COD once, you unlock an arcade mode which keeps people playing. I played CODMW campaign through 3 times and never played the MP more than a handful of times before shelving it. It wasn’t for me. (Shocking) Many people continue to play the campaign for scores and such. This is also the reason why Co-op campaign is so hot and a must-have feature. It may seem like people are invested in only the MP for COD but that’s not the case. I’d use Grand Theft Auto as an example of a game that always shows up on most played lists: it has a lot to do with the single player campaign. Most people play campaign. And not MP. Brink tries to be a game that is trying to bridge the gap in-between so will not be a “stand alone” linear campaign.

(thesuzukimethod) #47

the level of generality being thrown around here with regards to why/why-not people do/dont love/hate this game is starting to sound like the way politicians in the US use “the american people”. it becomes an encoded version of you personal opinion, presented as “common sense”, or “fact”. Gramsci might be proud (and Bahktin would be fascinated). lollerz. :slight_smile:

(V1cK_dB) #48

[QUOTE=*goo;354171]Is it a fair statement to say people probably mostly purchased Brink as their next Multiplayer game?

If you agree with that statement, then I’d question why ‘single player’ made them stop playing the game. Many players probably do find Veteran difficulty hard on CoD:MW but guess what? The Multiplayer keeps them playing.

If the Multiplayer nailed it, why would Brink be any different?[/QUOTE]

Exactly. And the answer to your question is because the MP in brink isn’t as fun as wolf would like you to believe. The shooting requires minimal skill with the huge spreads and don’t even get me started on what it takes to get a match going. Those 2 things alone are the reason this game has failed. Has nothing to do with SP or publicity.

I’ve waited for this game for years and I was one of those old W:ET players that couldn’t wait for SD’s new game promising no OHKs and skill based shooting/movement. I hyped this game up to everyone I knew. I even made excuses for it when I knew it was broken after release.

Sadly the following sums it up perfectly for me. The other day a coworker asked me about Brink because he sees me on it from time to time. He asked, “How is that game Brink? Is it good?” and as much as I wanted to recommend it to him…I couldn’t do it. I knew he would hate me for it and never listen to me again lol. So I didn’t. I just couldn’t lie to him. What am I gonna tell him?

“Sure pick it up bro. It’s fun if you can get to play a match but that might take some work. Goto the forums and add some friends if you want to play a match. The matchmaking is broken right now but I’m sure SD is gonna fix it at some point lying. Don’t try competition playlist because it will take half your day to get a match to start so just stick to standard. Don’t give up if the game is a 2v8 with bots if you just wait it out it gets better…hopefully. Don’t get discouraged if you can’t find more than a 3v3 at some points because not enough people play it. Just be patient and you might find a good game every couple of days.”

The publicity isn’t the problem. It’s the game. This thread is ridiculous.

(gooey79) #49

Interesting viewpoint. Of the people that I know who purchased Brink, not one did it for the single player. Not one.

(V1cK_dB) #50

LMAO! Are you being serious? C’mon dude. For real?! I don’t know whether you are being serious or just extremely sarcastic. This is almost comical.

(DarkangelUK) #51

Thanks, that accounts to why 99.5% of console players will have stopped playing… because there is no single player. Now why would 99.5% of PC players stop? Fans of SD’s previous games know that MP is where it’s at, and SP doesn’t even come into it. What I’m saying is… you can’t use the SP argument for PC. Answers on a post please?

As to what Vick replied to, wolf dude your head is seriously in the clouds. Do you think Halo, GoW, CoD are all fighting for 1st place in the XBL most played stats is just everyone playing SP? Do you think most of a games development time is spent on SP, and the MP is just an after thought because no one buys games for MP?

(V1cK_dB) #52

Dude…it’s the same for console. This wolf kid has no clue what he’s talking about. I’m on both PC and console and I also work at a large retailer that sells games. 90% of questions about Brink were related to MP. Of course…that was when people were asking. I don’t want you to get the impression that console players are just SP players. That is so not true it’s almost funny. How else would you explain the millions of console players that play weekly on both platforms on a variety of games. Millions play weekly on COD/Gears/Halo/BF and some PS3 games that I can’t think of right now.

Oh one more thing…90% of console players have stopped playing also for the same reasons bro. Don’t let this wolf kid fool you like Brink is some popular game on XBOX lmao.

(Humate) #53

Cant remember the last time I ever bought an FPS for its single player component.
In fact none of the games Ive bought, have ever been bought for the single player part of the game.

If I want to be told a story, I’ll go read a book or watch a movie.

(Jimmy James) #54

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;354166]
So with regards to PC as we can’t see hard facts about consoles like we can with Steam stats, if we’re being generous we’ll say 200,000 people bought the game (I believe numbers showed at least 75,000+ were store bought with no digital download stats release). At the moment Brinks peak is averaging 700 players per evening, we’ll round off to 1000 to again be generous and account for those that never play at peak times. So that means 199,000, 99.5% of PC players stopped playing the game.[/QUOTE]

Whips out his math cap and screws it on tight.

I would call that specious reasoning. I wouldn’t assume that the 700 PC players are the same players every night. According to this poll the preferred gaming nights vary along the entire spectrum (Wednesday being by far the most popular with Friday and Saturday coming up 2nd and 3rd).

So, if we assume that the 700-peak-average are different players depending on the day of the week then the PC players work out to: 700X7 = 4,900. Now, people don’t play 24 hours a day so we can also assume that the peak hours are different for different time zones. Assuming that most people put in a 2 hour play session on average: 24/2 = 12X4900 = 58,800 people are playing Brink on the PC!

Bull**** statistics FTW!

-JJ

(V1cK_dB) #55

[QUOTE=Humate;354184]Cant remember the last time I ever bought an FPS for its single player component.
In fact none of the games Ive bought, have ever been bought for the single player part of the game.

If I want to be told a story, I’ll go read a book or watch a movie.[/QUOTE]

Lol…I use that exact line. I know some people like SP parts of FPS games but the majority of people that I speak with at work and my real life friends all play MP. They never even talk about SP. Lol.

(DarkangelUK) #56

[QUOTE=Jimmy James;354185]
Bull**** statistics FTW!

-JJ[/QUOTE]

lol I think you’re verging on the taurus feces more than I am :stuck_out_tongue: It’d be nice if the Steam daily stats were broken down into unique logins per day, but I sure hope you’re joking about the 50,000 still playing :tongue:

(wolfnemesis75) #57

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;354181]Thanks, that accounts to why 99.5% of console players will have stopped playing… because there is no single player. Now why would 99.5% of PC players stop? Fans of SD’s previous games know that MP is where it’s at, and SP doesn’t even come into it. What I’m saying is… you can’t use the SP argument for PC. Answers on a post please?

As to what Vick replied to, wolf dude your head is seriously in the clouds. Do you think Halo, GoW, CoD are all fighting for 1st place in the XBL most played stats is just everyone playing SP? Do you think most of a games development time is spent on SP, and the MP is just an after thought because no one buys games for MP?[/QUOTE]

Man, I wish you would read my posts better. I said Most people who buy games don’t play multplayer: FACT! All those games you mention that show up in the most played list people are playing a whole lot of single player campaign too and co-op campaign…which I also point out. Geez. Please read my posts. Halo 3 has a extremely popular co-op campaign. There’s a reason Reach has a Firefight Mode. More people play Horde mode in Gears of War than any other mode besides campaign: Fact. Horde is a lot like Brink’s multiplayer. Oh, and bots are involved, brother. :wink:

(Thundermuffin) #58

BRINK doesn’t have a dynamic sense of story, wolf; BRINK is about as linear as they get with a “you win” or “you lost” screen. I see my character all the time in other games’ cutscenes, I’m not amazed by that. If you want a dynamic game go play Deus Ex (didn’t System Shock also have lots of dynamic stuff to its game?) or to a lesser extent games like Mass Effect or Alpha Protocol.

By the way guys since wolf enlightened us that most people buy games just for the SP I have come to the conclusion that everyone playing Counter-Strike is playing it for the great story that can be found on de_dust. It’s a really heavy hitting story, makes even the manliest of men emotional. Heck I couldn’t even play Team Fortress 2 because its story just got to me, man, it was like I was there and it just tore me up. Don’t even get me started about QUAKE or Unreal Tournament. They have so many moral choices. Real hardcore stuff like “do I shoot this man with a rocket launcher or a railgun?”

(V1cK_dB) #59

Now add up all the people that play MP in all modes in Gears and compare that number to Horde. I’ve also played Horde along with many of my friends. It’s called our “pass the time” mode. You know…we play it before we start playing for real.

(Codine) #60

I think the proper name of this thread should be “Brink could have used more testing”

Still cant run it on my ati card.