Brink 2: Would You Buy It?

(DarkangelUK) #161

But Sin just said him and his friends refused to go see Transformers 2 because of how bad Transformers 1 was, he’s kinda contradicting his own arguments… are you saying there’s a couple million extra potential purchasers out there that will buy Brink 2 having not played Brink 1? And well I can’t speak for others, but I generally see part 1 before going to see a sequel. I think we should get off of movies all together, it’s a very flimsy relation and you’re all getting your analogies mixed up already.

(SinDonor) #162

I didn’t contradict anything since me and my friends LIKE Brink1 and will be buying Brink2. My point was that even if a group of people don’t go to see the sequels, a sequel can still do well thanks to replacement customers due to good marketing and other factors.

(Solarcrest) #163

uh there are plenty of ppl who watch sequels without seeing the originals…i use to work at a movie theater it happens quite often. Maybe cause something was added (actor or actress) or a better plot idea. I talked to someone who never watched the first 2 Lord of the Rings but came out to watch the return of the king.

(wolfnemesis75) #164

That’s what I’ve been trying to say. All you got to do is sell a “Expanded Brink Story Campaign” or some kind of thing like that. Somebody might shout “Competitive Gamers” at the roof tops and “Gun Skillz” all day long but the Marketing Report and Focus Group Research is gonna read: “More Casual Traditional Linear Stand-alone Campaign”. I don’t think that’s what the game needs, but that’s not what the Focus Group will say. :wink:

(DarkangelUK) #165

I was referring to you saying Brink sold well, so Brink 2 will automatically sell well… then in the same thread you say your friends didn’t like TF1, so automatically didn’t go to see TF2. You can see the contradiction there at least? That to me suggests that those that didn’t enjoy Brink, wouldn’t buy Brink 2, which makes perfect sense, as does your thoughts on TF1 and 2.

(peteXnasty) #166

I will check my district stock of Brink as soon as I get off break. I work at Gamestop. At least in this store I dont believe we have actually sold a copy of brink in a month. Any platform.

It sold well up front. Player numbers show very poor retention rate. Go online past the reviews and you find very little positive feeling for the game. Consumers wont come back for a second game despite what wolf has foe logic here. Id it even gets made.

(SinDonor) #167

I never said Brink2 will automatically sell well. Nor did I make the correlation you are referring to. I love when other peoples’ words in my mouth are the source of the contradiction.

I said these two related, but separate points:

  1. Brink 2 will sell well if they have a great marketing campaign, improve on Brink 1, and have MOAR GUNZ!!!11!1! While the large group of haters here won’t give it a look, I will because I like it, just like how you liked the TF1 movie so you saw the sequels even though I think TF1 was a steaming turd.

  2. Poorly rated movies (and games) can release successful sequels (like the TF movies) thanks to a great marketing campaign and other reasons mentioned earlier.

On a side note, the average reviews for Brink (69%) are twice as good as the average reviews for the TF trilogy (35%). So that’s a good sign for Brink.

You are confusing the two points or just pulling stuff out of context.

(SockDog) #168

[QUOTE=peteXnasty;355473]I will check my district stock of Brink as soon as I get off break. I work at Gamestop. At least in this store I dont believe we have actually sold a copy of brink in a month. Any platform.

It sold well up front. Player numbers show very poor retention rate. Go online past the reviews and you find very little positive feeling for the game. Consumers wont come back for a second game despite what wolf has foe logic here. Id it even gets made.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. :slight_smile:

I get people like the game but the sheer balls out denials of any negative aspect is laughable. The fact people are talking sequels two months after release speaks volumes about the true impressions people have of the game.

(DarkangelUK) #169

You’r right, I read it wrong… you said Brink 2 would be warranted, not that it would sell well. My original stance was if that many people didn’t like it, then Brink 2 wouldn’t sell well then therefore wouldn’t be a viable option financially. Take for example APB, it didn’t sell well and didn’t recoup what it spent on development and RTW got shut down, that’s a risk SD seriously have to consider.

Sad to say my staking out of review scores for movies goes as far as imdb, and it’s usually bang on for me as its user ratings and not ‘professional reviewers’… and going by that TF1 having 7.2 is actually quite high for there. We don’t have visibility of how well or poor TF1 was received, but we do with Brink using (shock horror, don’t sue me) player numbers… and well the monumental whine on here as well.

On a side note, the average reviews for Brink (69%) are twice as good as the average reviews for the TF trilogy (35%). So that’s a good sign for Brink.

Interesting side note indeed, as Brink userscore for 360 on metacritic is 6.2, but the usescore for TF1 (never knew we were talking trilogy now) is 7.0

Just personal taste, but I prefer going for mass userscores than limited professional reviews.

(SinDonor) #170

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;355484]
Interesting side note indeed, as Brink userscore for 360 on metacritic is 6.2, but the usescore for TF1 (never knew we were talking trilogy now) is 7.0

Just personal taste, but I prefer going for mass userscores than limited professional reviews.[/QUOTE]

I was going by professional critic scores (albeit, half of those professional reviewers for both videogames and movies are just blogger hacks).

TF1 = 57%
TF2 = 20%
TF3 = 36%

Brink1 Xbox360 = 68 (Metacritic) and 69 (GameRankings)

User-wise, TF scored much better than when compared to pro scores because the movies played towards the average movie goer’s wants: Explosions, crude humor and violence. Michael Bay is a jerk, but a genius.

Brink tried to rope in the average console gamer with big explosions and cool looking moves in their marketing campaign, but unfortunately, the game was a little too unique and not enough of a CoD clone, hence the poor user reviews on Metacritic. Still, more people wrote positive review to negative at almost a 2 to 1 ratio.

Looking GameFAQS, you’ll see some better overall results:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/960407-brink/reviews

Going back to Metacritic to look at user reviews of another successful AAA game, and the users are not as kind as they were to Brink:

(wolfnemesis75) #171

[QUOTE=SinDonor;355476]I never said Brink2 will automatically sell well. Nor did I make the correlation you are referring to. I love when other peoples’ words in my mouth are the source of the contradiction.

I said these two related, but separate points:

  1. Brink 2 will sell well if they have a great marketing campaign, improve on Brink 1, and have MOAR GUNZ!!!11!1! While the large group of haters here won’t give it a look, I will because I like it, just like how you liked the TF1 movie so you saw the sequels even though I think TF1 was a steaming turd.

  2. Poorly rated movies (and games) can release successful sequels (like the TF movies) thanks to a great marketing campaign and other reasons mentioned earlier.

On a side note, the average reviews for Brink (69%) are twice as good as the average reviews for the TF trilogy (35%). So that’s a good sign for Brink.

You are confusing the two points or just pulling stuff out of context.[/QUOTE]

I recommend not arguing with him SinDoner. Friendly Advice. You’ll just get a headache.

(SinDonor) #172

I don’t think it is an argument. At least from my side it isn’t. The only differentiating opinions between us are that I like Brink and I don’t like the TF movies and he is vice versa. Otherwise, I have just been stating facts and some my own speculations about Brink 2.

(AmishWarMachine) #173

Now you’re arguing about arguing!

:cool:

(SinDonor) #174

[QUOTE=AmishWarMachine;355502]Now you’re arguing about arguing!

:cool:[/QUOTE]

I never argue about arguing!

(Oschino1907) #175

I realized that a few weeks ago so now I just down rep him when he is being unreasonable or condescending. Then he down reps me for random posts saying things like this…

“I’ve waved off your petty little neg rep snipes, but now you’re becoming annoying. If you have something to input, then do so, if not then stay quiet. As I said, i’ll stay quiet when I’m convinced I’m wrong, you’re a name calling child” - DarkangelUK

Why so serious???

And for those that know, LOL @ the visual picture I painted to you about what I was thinking when I read that. HAHAHAHAHA Just look up the episode of South Park where everyone was LOVING the smell of their own farts. :smiley:

(AmishWarMachine) #176

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Touché
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(wolfnemesis75) #177

Ok. Sorry. carry on. Still think Transformers the Movie was the best (cartoon). Leonard Nimoy, Jud Nelson, The dude from Unsolved mysteries… ah memories. Takes guts to release a movie where you kill most of the original characters and it comes off pretty cool… good times. :smiley:

(SinDonor) #178

The original TF cartoon movie is awesomely 80s. I don’t like the Michael Bay atrocities.

(DarkangelUK) #179

This is called ‘an adult discussion’, you should try it… it’s awesome. It’s refreshing to actually speak to someone rather than have your thoughts land of deaf ears, or simply reply by calling you a troll because they have no actual valid input to give. I recommend you and your flunky Oshino keep your noses out if all you’re going to do is try and antagonize the situation instead of letting us have a civilized discussion.

@Oachino: I ignored both your down reps, but it seems all you want to do is call people names in the comments of the reputation system, so you got one in return. As I said before, if you think I’m wrong then feel free to join the discussion and add your input in a dignified manor, but I believe you’re incapable of doing so, that’s why you say nothing and have cheeky little digs via the reputation function instead.

I defended Brink long before you knew this forum even existed, when design decisions were announced I gave positive reasons for them and we had discussions that carried on for 10+ pages, because back then we weren’t influxed by everyone shouting “TROLL” or “HATER” just because the other person didn’t agree with you POV. I tried to convince others to give these design decisions a try, as I would, before berating Splash Damage for them… ask the old timers here, Nail, Tokamak, Apples, H0RSE. We had epic discussions with replies that gad meaning (not all of course), and were’t just petty comments with no substance reasoning. I can’t speak for anyone else, but at no point did anyone turn into a petty child and start neg repping because they didn’t agree.

If you don’t like my views, tell me why, I’m pretty easy going and open to debate. As soon as you start derailing it to simple name calling… then i’ll tear you a new one.

breath

@Sin
As I said, each to their own. I believe mass input will always give a better view rather than a narrow input from a select few who could easily skew the results (can’t remember what professional website gave Brink a 2, and it turned out he only played it for 4 or 5 hrs total).

(wolfnemesis75) #180

Yeah. Me too.

Back on topic

Brink: Slap a 2 on it please.