BR mode : Base Race !

(RasteRayzeR) #1

[QUOTE=Tast1c;441834]Game mode suggestion, iteration for domination:

  • Take and hold (resource)points to gain Tier points which only unlock special abilities, when a team loses all points, this team will receive a lucky loser bonus in form of extra use of special abilities.[/QUOTE]

That’s a great idea, and I don’t know if you guys remember, but there was the “Base Race” map in W:ET which was really fun. Basically you had to get in the enemy base, fetch a construction pack as a carriable, and bring it back to your own base. These would then grant you better defenses, automatic turrets, fences, new routes, etc … and there was some kind of “no man’s land” between the two bases.

This could be extremely fun in DB, this is really the perfect setup for such a game type, with small bases you may really upgrade nicely with automated defenses, etc. Suits nicely for competition as teamwork is highly required and forces strategies to defend and attack at the same time ! Lots of new mechanics could be invented for such a mode.

So, yay or ney ?

(spookify) #2

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The goal of this game is to make it very popular in competition based play.

Look at the people Base Race servers were filled with… Low Skilled players that just liked to run around the map. Most or at least all the people I know including everyone in my clan were banned from all Base Race servers. Going 100-2 didnt sit well with admins…

If there is an open Map Building program and Mod Building im sure we will get the Shrubs and Jaymods of DB, BUT I HOPE NOT!

Sometimes diversity is a bad thing when it comes to games.

Lets just focus on making this a skilled shouter with a great TTK and competitive play.

(RasteRayzeR) #3

I believe DB will not only be for pro players, otherwise it is a waste of time and money to make a full game just for this very small niche of players. I believe most fraggers should be able to find their pleasure in this game and such a mode, even if it is for “low skilled players” like you pretend it is (which is really not), could bring new elements of fun and some diversity to the main, objective kind of gameplay.

Then the base race proved extremely funny to play in W:ET and I have never found any other game doing something like this that is actually fun to play. Back then the base race was not an official map, and was not balanced correctly. With ECHO now, it’s possible to make it a full game mode, suited for casual and competition players.

(BomBaKlaK) #4

Yep this is a really fun mod, kind of better version of CTF :wink:
Much better this than domination gamemod

(potty200) #5

The goal of this game is to make it very popular in competition based play.

Wait, did I miss something? I didn’t realise that you had insider info about Splash Damages goals!

But anyway, I have played Baserace in competitions in ET and it has been good fun. However, for a competitive minded player I wouldn’t like to see it in Dirtybomb. If Splash Damage head down the road of public and comp modes are different with different maps then a big fat YES! But, as they have stated in previous posts, they want public and competitive play to be as similar as possible.

It’s a start of a good debate though, I do l still love going on ET and racking up a few kills on baserace!

(RasteRayzeR) #6

This is really a proposition, because I feel this is an important point and that we should discuss it, and maybe give it a second life !

I know this cannot please everyone, but IMO this is a matter worth debating indeed and this could bring a plus to DB. First IMO this game mode is refreshing as it is not the same and traditional objective or stopwatch kind of gameplay. Then it is a nice way to make a wink to W:ET, since as DarkAngelUK said : “DB captures the magic of ET”. It is taking the best of what has been done and give it a new twist with upgrades and new ideas. Finally, it offers a mode that may support a wider variety of gameplay styles, from the guys with heavy guns for defense, snipers will be delighted, and all classes are really put to contribution in a common effort, with great rewards when done right.

[QUOTE=BomBaKlaK;441894]Yep this is a really fun mod, kind of better version of CTF :wink:
Much better this than domination gamemod[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, CTF is nice and catchy but I believe it is more suited for games like Quake 3 or UT, where you can move really fast. Base race also has a lot of elements of the domination game mode, it should also please people looking for domination-like games as for example, we could put domination point in reach for both teams, granting advantages (just an idea I had out of the blue while writing this post ^^ ).

So, as I feel for this game mode, I really hope we will have a good discussion here about it, measure the advantages and disadvantages, bring exotic new ideas and in the end, give a big help to the guys at SD !

(stealth6) #7

I like the idea of having elements in the map that can be influenced by the progression of the match. (As people have said it would be a cool addition to CTF)

I think baserace was is a bad example thought since the upgrades helped the winning team to win more… I’m thinking something more along the lines of delivering the objective to a certain spot will activate a new trap in the center of the map. (So it could be a bad thing for both teams if you don’t communicate with your team :))

(murka) #8

Given the path DB is going, a more fun gametype would be more than welcome to attract less hardcore players. Baserace is actually a nice dual objective type game, kind of wish there were more where both teams had to do something.

(TacTicToe) #9

Agreed.

A game based on, or geared only to competitive play, is a doomed game. The “shrubs” and “jaymods” you seem to show disdain for, are the ones that brought tremendous fun, and longer life to W:ET. “The goal of this game is to make it very popular in competition based play.”, I HOPE NOT!! I am more about having fun, and enjoying my time playing. Not everyone lives for a game or their k/d ratios.

(RasteRayzeR) #10

And that is exactly why we should find a new game mode, based on the principle of the base race, but with new ideas put into it. There is for sure already enough game modes for pro players and competition, lets get some fun for players looking for a fun and intense time. Lets brainstorm here and get a nice concept for SD !

I completely agree, I had thought of a strogg mode, like a zombie mode, but where both teams have to allies and achieve different objectives while getting harrassed by waves of stroggs xD But this is maybe too new of a concept to be put in DB …

(acQu) #11

How about every team has a meat grinding sort of machine where killed Zombies have to be put in. The goal is produce as much infected saucage as you can and deliver it to the enemy base xD

Nvm :slight_smile: But i like the idea of base race style. I think C&C Renegade was something similar. SD should make something like this, but this would be indeed a too new concept, would need a whole new engine and stuff, nothing for close quarter combat. Also, and i hate to say it, BaseRace without strafe-jumping? Meh, … long runs …

(RasteRayzeR) #12

I know … but as the teams are smaller is idea is to get smaller maps with a short yet chaotic no man’s land between the bases. And maybe that in this mode the carrier should have access to his gun too. I am sure we can find something based on base race, that would fit perfectly DB and provide a more accessible game mode for people looking for fun outside classical competition.

The base race is somehow a basis here to invent a new game mode. It can contain elements of domination, of last man standing, or whatever, but it should be refreshing. Because lets face it, with ET:QW, when I reached about 300 hours of gaming, I started feeling like it was always the same. That’s why DB should have a second full mode, not a derivation of an already existing one (like making last man standing once the TDM is set up).

(Violator) #13

[QUOTE=spookify;441883]-1

The goal of this game is to make it very popular in competition based play.

Look at the people Base Race servers were filled with… Low Skilled players that just liked to run around the map. Most or at least all the people I know including everyone in my clan were banned from all Base Race servers. Going 100-2 didnt sit well with admins…

If there is an open Map Building program and Mod Building im sure we will get the Shrubs and Jaymods of DB, BUT I HOPE NOT!

Sometimes diversity is a bad thing when it comes to games.

Lets just focus on making this a skilled shouter with a great TTK and competitive play.[/QUOTE]

A goal is… (I am assuming, SD haven’t actually said what the playerbase goal is, but for a FTP I would assume alienating the large majority of the possible playerbase wouldn’t make much economic sense). Sounds like sour grapes to me as your clan was banned (for stacking I assume by the 100-2) :)).

Base Race mode is fun for us mere mortals, Chris’s QW version was also great fun.

(Loffy) #14

In a way, server admins are the backbone of team-based online shooters. They are a diverse bunch of people but they all want pretty much the same thing: people on the servers. How do you achieve that? Well, for one thing, you need to be able to provide enjoyable, fun moments on your server. For some, this is the same as hard core, skilled comp play. For others it is a snipers-only fun server. Or a 24/7 just-one-big-map server.

I think there is definitely room for Baserace, CTF and similar types of fragged-filled action-packed maps. Will it happen? Will there even be server admins? “Only time will time”. (Quote from what popular SD game and which map?)

(Siru) #15

yeah base race is a must have for DB and 30+ other maps.
is it possible to create own funny maps for DB with a map creator thing?^^
i missed the map variety at ET:QW so much and i hope the community has the chance to create easily maps for db :smiley:

(stealth6) #16

[QUOTE=Loffy;442019]In a way, server admins are the backbone of team-based online shooters. They are a diverse bunch of people but they all want pretty much the same thing: people on the servers. How do you achieve that? Well, for one thing, you need to be able to provide enjoyable, fun moments on your server. For some, this is the same as hard core, skilled comp play. For others it is a snipers-only fun server. Or a 24/7 just-one-big-map server.

I think there is definitely room for Baserace, CTF and similar types of fragged-filled action-packed maps. Will it happen? Will there even be server admins? “Only time will time”. (Quote from what popular SD game and which map?)[/QUOTE]

“Yanks, tanks, banks, goooooooooooooold!”

(Sorry couldn’t help myself)

(Ruben0s) #17

I predict that you will be disappointed when the game gets released. :+)

I would love to see this happen, but I hope someone will make it with a SDK instead of Splashdamage doing everything.

(Dragonji) #18

Casuals are the people which will make SD rich.

(BomBaKlaK) #19

If SD loose ! We loose ! So casual are needed to

(.Chris.) #20

Yeah screw making it fun to play…