Changing sides is OK. Losing after is OK too. At least I make 'em sweat for a bit.
Note: I switched right after the lobby, because people see much higher levels of opposite team and straight leave after. That’s why I’m also against levels, you know, in pubs too.
I’ll have to disagree with you, partially at least.
I don’t think a forced move-a-random-player-to-the-other-team balancer is the way to go.
I’d much rather see longer respawn waves, respawn queues or something along those lines.
Is there any level of reward/compensation that would either make you not care about getting swapped or that would make you want to swap to the losing team?
Oh, thats not right, just say you are in a game fair and even you are winning guys on the other team rage and quit (because we all know its the main reason of leavers and not some kind of emergency) your team has already done two on three objectives and the other team has now less people. Would you want to change and go in losing team and probably lose since you already did half the job? Would you want to just give up on the effort you made since the beginning of the game and lose just because some dipshit left cause he wasnt happy and just for the other team to feel better ? 9 people on 10 will say no i wouldnt want to switch to this question the last one is a liar. Of course no one want to switch you work your way to win a game and you have to lose just for the sake of some unknown noobs because some other noobs left. Sorry but no i wont change in that case and most people wont gtfo with this force switch shit idea. This would be the worst thing ever added to DB, and this would personally make me leave the game even with all the time and money invested
The primary reason for me is the matchmaking. Its still bullshit for me, the other day a guy of my clan said to me “we just rekt your brother” yeah of course they all his team are 30+ cobalt ranked guys my brother and his team were a bunch of silver lvl 15-. Or when i got matched agaisnt two Elites with lvl 8 silver in my team while im barely gold 4 on my way to gold 5 the guy didnt even know how to correctly place an airstrike and even when i explained him he was still throwing it randomly. The number of people doesnt really matter when it comes to lvl like this you can give ten other guy like this silver in my team i’d still have lost this match. I dont understand that lvl 50+ can just join a match that was kind of even where people are all around lvl 10-15 and break all the balance of the match
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It’s all about good will versus selfishness.[/quote]
Not wanting to lose because of a dipshit leaver when you hardworker in first part has nothing to do with selfishness its perfectly normal
Is there any level of reward/compensation that would either make you not care about getting swapped or that would make you want to swap to the losing team?[/quote]
Nope.
See [quote=“Jesus;128599”][quote=“Jostabeere;128112”]People are free to leave whenever they want. But after people left the game has to balance it by force since the players are unable to do so in the most case. Cause prescious win![/quote]
Oh, thats not right, just say you are in a game fair and even you are winning guys on the other team rage and quit (because we all know its the main reason of leavers and not some kind of emergency) your team has already done two on three objectives and the other team has now less people. Would you want to change and go in losing team and probably lose since you already did half the job? Would you want to just give up on the effort you made since the beginning of the game and lose just because some dipshit left cause he wasnt happy and just for the other team to feel better ? 9 people on 10 will say no i wouldnt want to switch to this question the last one is a liar. Of course no one want to switch you work your way to win a game and you have to lose just for the sake of some unknown noobs because some other noobs left. Sorry but no i wont change in that case and most people wont gtfo with this force switch shit idea. This would be the worst thing ever added to DB, and this would personally make me leave the game even with all the time and money invested[/quote]
[quote=“Naralin;128396”][quote=“Ctrix;128392”] (eg. being spawn-rapped is not really fun).
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Its fun for the one doing it, if you get spawnraped its your fault you werent good enough try harder next time. Its in all game since the birth of video game that people got crushed by higher skilled player like that i remember my big brother whooping my ass everytime at Tekken and Streetfighter because he knew all the fucking combos. Thats how a game works, today i learned the combo and from time to time i can whoop his ass, and its much more rewarding than stomping my little brother but i still enjoy stomping the fuck out of him. Getting crushed is how you learn to play a game. I stopped camping in DB when nader was constantly exploding my face with GL
[quote=“moon_moon;128397”]Yes please !
Today I met the biggest dick ever. He was in the losing team in an unbalanced game, and called a vote to shuffle multiple times. When none of those votes passed he said “you guys are dicks, cant even balance an obviously bad game !” next match was inbalanced as well, but this time he was in the winning team and i was in the losing one. At the last minutes of the game, just to fuck with him i said exacly what he said earlier. He responded with, “this wasn’t a bad game”
they finished a match in bridge within 4 minutes. He went 14/0 and i went 3/11 at the top of my team.[/quote]
Well look at it from his pov, you stomped him during a game and then when you are the one getting stomped you expect him to do the shuffle while you didnt earlier he would have probably done it if you did it in the first place, you deserved that. You are the asshole in the story not him. You expect people to do the things right for you but dont want to move a finger to do it for the others. I hope you get stomped a lot
Is there any level of reward/compensation that would either make you not care about getting swapped or that would make you want to swap to the losing team?[/quote]
Nope.
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There’s always a number. For you it might be a million credits or 500 equipment cases but if your answer is just “nope” I hope you have every merc and every card already unlocked.
My point is that we do need to figure out a balance system and I think the best way is reward based. Whether that’s a free equipment case to whoever switches, or an extra 250 credits. It should be something that is big enough for someone to not care that they are probably going to get a guaranteed loss.
It’s not about the stats. The fun in playing a video game is the feeling of having done something, the accomplishment. Otherwise I can just watch a movie or something. You want to look back and be like “I was awesome”.
This is a team game. You get a connection to the team. You might not notice, but I do notice the noobs, the dedicated healer, the guy who goes in first and dies so the rest of the team can storm in behind him. Getting switched out of the team half way through a match, why even play the game then.
I don’t care about winning or losing. The only thing that is frustrating is if your team is too bad to ever accomplish anything. That’s why we need a surrender vote, so we don’t have to waste our time with that sort of thing.
[quote=“Kaur;128389”][quote=“Eeeek;128387”]You’re missing the point. It’s not about pple who left the match, but about those who remain.
It’s all about good will versus selfishness.[/quote]
No, you are missing the point. It’s about OP joining games that are already over and that were shuffled 4 times which didn’t help the situation at all and then proceeds to flame the highest level player in the server.[/quote]
This isn’t true at all. It happens quite often that 2 best people of both teams from the last round get together in a team with more players. And the “balanced by the system in the lobby” team has one-two more and stomps again. And if people leave a team in the lobby after the system made both teams, it doesn’t reshuffly and games can start with a 3vs7 or so.
And even a minute of fair play is better than a full game of a stomp.
Comparing a game where you have to duel someone and a multiplayer game makes your argument invalid. With multiple players on a game you can mix them up to have a fair match. You just can’t in a one-on-one game.
You exactly point out why we need an autobalance. If a team is stomping the other one that means the skill difference was too big. Again, that’s why SD implemented the shuffle vote right?
You are against it because: “Why would I be forced to put all my effort into waste”. I kind of agree with that but let’s be honest are you carrying your team everytime? Are you even switching team when you notice how big the skill difference is? I am pretty sure if you are on the winning team you don’t even bother switching when it’s been 3mn into the game, at this point not much effort have been put right?
You talk like each time you are winning that’s because you did a shitload of work.
How many times did you join an uneven game mid-way and have luckily been placed on the stomping team? Did you switch to balance? No. It was a free win for you I guess.
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@Watsyurdeal Pubs are still far more than the half of the game. And just because it ain’t competitive, it can be unbalanced? Nope, sorry, you’re wrong.[/quote]
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I missed you wrote “not”. Removed that part since you were right and I noticed it too late.
take away the server browser, (except for a few for random stuff)
Make every player match made into a game, problem solved for everyone
[quote=“TheAcidpiss;128754”]take away the server browser, (except for a few for random stuff)
Make every player match made into a game, problem solved for everyone[/quote]
Server Bworser is a great thing.
[quote=“TheAcidpiss;128754”]take away the server browser, (except for a few for random stuff)
Make every player match made into a game, problem solved for everyone[/quote]
That’s the way it worked in the closed beta for a while when they were testing the matchmaking system and it was amazing. I like having open servers but I wouldn’t miss them all that much if there was an unranked queue system that allowed you to play with friends and due to the sheer number of players would almost always produce a fast and decently balanced match. It would make balancing easier for maps and mercs and it would also do a lot more to promote ranked as well.
Open servers just aren’t the same when they aren’t mostly lead by communities.
[quote=“Jostabeere;128758”][quote=“TheAcidpiss;128754”]take away the server browser, (except for a few for random stuff)
Make every player match made into a game, problem solved for everyone[/quote]
Server Bworser is a great thing.[/quote]
So you want forced number balance, but you don’t want forced MM
OK!!
[quote=“TheAcidpiss;128777”][quote=“Jostabeere;128758”][quote=“TheAcidpiss;128754”]take away the server browser, (except for a few for random stuff)
Make every player match made into a game, problem solved for everyone[/quote]
Server Bworser is a great thing.[/quote]
So you want forced number balance, but you don’t want forced MM
OK!![/quote]
Well a MM won’t instantly fill all unbalanced games.
And what if I want to get on an empty server? So, for example friends can join after me. I can’t do that with a MM-system. What if I wanna find a game in Lobby? If I wanna find a specific map?
And a server browser is a must-have in a MMOFPS.
Adding a balance is much better than removing a core-feature.