Well, I played a few matches tonight and 50% of them were unbalanced. The last match I played was good at the start. Then a level 228 joined a match against players with level 15 and below. After sticking throught to the end of that frustrating match and being spawn traped for more than half of the match, It made me wonder. I wondered that it is true what most players say it not truly Dirty Bomb unless you have an unbalanced match. That is so sad. That was one of the most unfair matches Ive played ever in any game. I wonder if balancing will ever be “fixed”. I really like the gameplay, i like the weapons, this game really makes me feel rewarded when I kill a guy. Thats why I enjoy playin it. Then the joy is ruined by the poorly done “balancing system”.
Balancing Matches
There is currently no Match Making system in place for pub games. Its basically just random players jumping in/out of the server. The game will attempt to balance players at the very of the match however when teams are formed in the lobby. (not perfect, but not terrible)
Anyone joining in after that point will throw off the balance, especially if it is a vet at level 228 like you stated.
If that level 228 could only play with people in his level range though, he’d have no one to play with.
I’d recommend sticking to minimum level servers if they are available, and past that try and learn what other people are doing to up your game.
There will be a match making system in place eventually, until then you can try ranked once you hit level 7. People complain about balance in that too though.
From my experience SOME people will cry imbalance every time they lose, so you can’t go by other people’s experiences, only your own.
I’d have had games which to me seemed perfectly balanced, but the other team complained about it, and even tried vote shuffles (which failed). They still won that match though with their original team due to putting in effort and working as a team (or at least working as a team better than our team was).
TL:DR
You are joining non-match made games, just pub style drop in/out.
There will be a match making feature in the future, no ETR.
Learn from others, it will up your game.
Snake pretty much summed it up. Unfortunately, that one high level/high skilled player in a match with lower level/skilled players can be the deciding factor. I see it all of the time. Happens when I join some matches too. No matter which side I end up, we start winning and the other team gets mad. I’ve had games where vote shuffles just keep swapping one or two players back and forth and it gets annoying because the game can’t balance the matches anymore.
With that being said, 50% seems like a high number. I know it happens occasionally, but generally matches are decently balanced enough for an overall fair game. Sometimes it’s simply because your team members are too busy playing team deathmatch or just being clueless. I understand your frustration though. We just need to wait and see what comes of the new matchmaking system. However, there will always be unbalanced matches occasionally, shit just happens. :’(
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Come CMM that level 228 will be partied up with 5 other level 200’s.
I doubt there are too many people at level 200+ though, and they would all need to be online at the same time and in the same region for it to match them together. This however, is why matching by level is a dumb idea (especially when there is no level cap) and why things like ELO ratings work better.
I doubt there are too many people at level 200+ though[/quote]
Most of the people I know are ~150-180, I’m pretty sure they’ll get to 200 until CMM releases and we already play basically every day at the same time. Same with 5v5 queues in the beginning of ranked, there were alot of groups with an average level of 170+.
Ughh, I don’t even want to try to explain again but I will. Some of you in this thread know full well just how much level doesn’t equate to skill yet you perpetuate the myth further causing even more people to not understand. Just stop, please. A level 228 who is good was most likely just as good when they were level 20 or less or very nearly as good. By 228 you might not even care as much and have actually gotten worse.
Human skill gain does not go up simply with more time spent doing something. The time spent is a mark of distinguishment in your dedication towards something. It is not an indicator of your skill or intelligence however despite many people instantly assuming exactly that.
Balance is a myth. Professionals that are, on paper extremely equal, participate in blowouts all the time in regular sports. As far as the game goes, you might have a bad lineup or people on the wrong characters or people are having a bad day. Or somebody is lagging or just on the phone but still playing. Or somebody is just playing for cases or for a funny video. Or the match feels like it’s unfair despite the match being so fair that you’re trading deaths constantly…more than normal for you. Or the other team might have a crazily skilled player or two or three despite them either having a high level or low level attached to their name.
So please, stop spreading myths. Luckily there are MANY other games that have similar (and in many cases better) leveling systems and virtually everyone in those games do not talk about level as it’s pointless. Hopefully DB gets community matchmaking going proper soon so people can stop focusing on levels and getting irrationally upset if they lose.
@Cam2g said:
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Come CMM that level 228 will be partied up with 5 other level 200’s.
Whats CMM?
@SnakekillerX said:
There is currently no Match Making system in place for pub games. Its basically just random players jumping in/out of the server. The game will attempt to balance players at the very of the match however when teams are formed in the lobby. (not perfect, but not terrible)Anyone joining in after that point will throw off the balance, especially if it is a vet at level 228 like you stated.
If that level 228 could only play with people in his level range though, he’d have no one to play with.
I’d recommend sticking to minimum level servers if they are available, and past that try and learn what other people are doing to up your game.
There will be a match making system in place eventually, until then you can try ranked once you hit level 7. People complain about balance in that too though.
From my experience SOME people will cry imbalance every time they lose, so you can’t go by other people’s experiences, only your own.
I’d have had games which to me seemed perfectly balanced, but the other team complained about it, and even tried vote shuffles (which failed). They still won that match though with their original team due to putting in effort and working as a team (or at least working as a team better than our team was).
TL:DR
You are joining non-match made games, just pub style drop in/out.
There will be a match making feature in the future, no ETR.
Learn from others, it will up your game.
See I didnt know that pub games didnt have a matchmaking system. I didnt even know thats how it worked. Thats why it annoyed me so much I always thought pubs had a match makin system. No one told me it didnt. Well now I know.
@kittz0r said:
so if you cant aim at level 10 or 15 you cant aim with level 200… stop crying
There is a difference between crying and complaining. I was complaining…I guess an ignorant person wouldn’t know the difference. By the way you can’t just assume I cant aim you never even saw me play.
@Amerika_KC If you’re a chef running a restaurant, and everyone tells you your food tastes awful because you added too much salt, you don’t tell them why they’re wrong and how they’re spreading myths, you take their view into consideration. Whether or not the salt was actually the problem, it’s what your customers perceive as the problem.
You don’t have to act so condescending. While it is skewed, it’s not outright wrong. And it needs to be taken into consideration, because this is almost every new player’s first impression of the game. Balanced match ruined by skilled player. Sure, you can go tell them how they’re wrong and that they should just suck it up, or that the food is just as salty elsewhere, but what customers think of your product is important to know. Rather than blame perceived imbalance on people “spreading myths”, SD should be taking note of exactly what new players think of the game. Because skewed or not, it’s what they see. And any company should want their product to be seen as good.
The phrase, “the customer is always right” isn’t supposed to mean the customer is literally always correct, it means a customer’s view doesn’t come from nowhere. You shouldn’t tell them why they’re wrong and stupid, you should attempt to understand why they see the product as they do.
Besides, in general higher level players are far better than lower level players. While it doesn’t automatically mean “good”, it’s fairly rare to see a lower level player doing better than a higher level player.
It’d be interesting to see what people would blame if player level was hidden.
@Cletus_VanDamme said:
It’d be interesting to see what people would blame if player level was hidden.
Hours, as they do in ranked
@STARRYSOCK much smaller % of players would ever bother to check steam profiles
Before improve the match making balance, I think joining or leaving while playing game must be removed and improved.
So u cant join while playing, or get penalty on leaving the match.
Also if the number of team is different, one of the player must be forced to change the team.
[quote=“Salt_N_Pepper;c-226694”]
Also if the number of team is different, one of the player must be forced to change the team.[/quote]
haha,
no.
5v4 whos fault is that?
definetly not the team with 5 people who keeps playing
definetly not the 4 guys who was left by an arsehole
quitters must be punished harshly for their treachery
[quote=“Salt_N_Pepper;c-226694”]Before improve the match making balance, I think joining or leaving while playing game must be removed and improved.
So u cant join while playing, or get penalty on leaving the match.
Also if the number of team is different, one of the player must be forced to change the team.[/quote]
Definitely not in PUBs. They’re supposed to be casual for a reason. DB crashes a lot, a friend invites me to another match, or sometimes life just happens and I have to log off. No amount of punishment will stop 100% of leavers.
If someone leaves a public match, someone else usually joins to balance things shortly after, so leavers really aren’t much of a big deal.
@Amerika_KC said:
Ughh, I don’t even want to try to explain again but I will. Some of you in this thread know full well just how much level doesn’t equate to skill yet you perpetuate the myth further causing even more people to not understand. Just stop, please. A level 228 who is good was most likely just as good when they were level 20 or less or very nearly as good. By 228 you might not even care as much and have actually gotten worse.Human skill gain does not go up simply with more time spent doing something. The time spent is a mark of distinguishment in your dedication towards something. It is not an indicator of your skill or intelligence however despite many people instantly assuming exactly that.
Balance is a myth. Professionals that are, on paper extremely equal, participate in blowouts all the time in regular sports. As far as the game goes, you might have a bad lineup or people on the wrong characters or people are having a bad day. Or somebody is lagging or just on the phone but still playing. Or somebody is just playing for cases or for a funny video. Or the match feels like it’s unfair despite the match being so fair that you’re trading deaths constantly…more than normal for you. Or the other team might have a crazily skilled player or two or three despite them either having a high level or low level attached to their name.
So please, stop spreading myths. Luckily there are MANY other games that have similar (and in many cases better) leveling systems and virtually everyone in those games do not talk about level as it’s pointless. Hopefully DB gets community matchmaking going proper soon so people can stop focusing on levels and getting irrationally upset if they lose.
Nah, pretty sure that level 100 proxy who couldn’t touch me and kept calling me a cheater is better becuz higher level.
In all seriousness, though, the game seems to do a decent job of shuffling teams around. Usually the first game I join is a blowout in favor of my team but then after that, assuming most players stay in the server, I actually have to carry to get a win. The bigger problem is ranked mm is kinda terrible. Still feels like you have to spend ages grinding with teammates who usually aren’t the same skill level as you because the game doesn’t allow for big enough fluctuations in elo during placement matches. Everyone ends up within a few ranks of each other at first and so you can have top level players at more or less the same rank as noobs until they grind for several hours.