ATI Catalyst 3.7 driver


(Ao1SYS) #1

Ever since I installed the ATI Catalyst 3.7 Drivers a couple of days ago I have noticed some changes to E.T. Primarily, water now has a different texture, sort of a greenish and greyish mixture. Also I notice something different about the guns. The Sten now has a purplish blotch on the ammo cartrige, and the smg has a bluish looking blob along the top. I also notice that when viewing dyno close up that it has a really cartoony look.

What gives? Is there something wrong with my settings, or is this supposed to be some kind of improvement? I think everything looks just a bit off since the driver update.

Has anyone else noticed this?


(skinner) #2

i know whats wrong with that, its broken :banana:


(Ao1SYS) #3

Er…gee thanks, Skinner.


(=ABS= SparhawK) #4

Use the following url to find info, this searches for rtcw on the www.rage3d.com site in the catalyst section

http://www.rage3d.com/board/search.php?s=4893df2df57d53a66ba628059f8ceafa&action=showresults&searchid=1221752&sortby=&sortorder=

Hope this helps, and check out other areas on the site as well.

Cheers

SH


(Sauron|EFG) #5

Changing Texture Preference to “High Quality” under OpenGL in the display properties fixed the sten appearance for me (I haven’t noticed any other things since I just got my 9600Pro).
It seems strange that they have a default setting (“Quality”) that degrades the texture quality.


(Ao1SYS) #6

Well, I found out what the problem was. Somehow my video quality settings were reset to lower levels (I previously had everything maxed out).

Not sure how they were reset because I didnt do it but no matter now, everything looks good again…


(I R O N M A N) #7

Just another example of ATI’s crappy drivers. They’ve had many problems making good, reliable, fully functioning, compatible-with-whichever-model-of-card drivers for years. You can find many forums on the net devoted to those who bought ATI cards and have one driver problem or another, and relatively few such forums devoted to any other card maker’s drivers. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why that is.

I had an ATI card about 2 yrs ago. Never will I buy one again.


(amazinglarry) #8

Well while it is true that ATI has some driver problems… it appears as though all that happened to his game was that it was just set at a lower graphical setting. It seems he just changed them back and everything’s fine… doesn’t appear to be anything wrong with the driver to me.


(Ao1SYS) #9

I love it how quick some people are to pounce on ATI and denounce them based on their drivers. While it’s true that they had a very poor track record in the beginning, they have learned from their past mistakes and committed to delivering regular and substantial updates. If Ironman had a clue what he was talking about, and had read any of the recent driver reports, he would know that ATI’s driver issues are a thing of the past. That they have committed significant resources and effort to deliver quality drivers. He would also know that in general, most of the benchmarking sites have applauded and forgiven ATI for past mistakes.

Instead, he simply dredges up issues from the past in an attempt to sound knowledgable. I have learned from experience that these people generally have no idea what they are talking about. I doubt he even read the whole thread in his haste to get in his jab.

Enjoy your (whatever) card dude, and stick to subjects you are current on.


(I R O N M A N) #10

You have not learned very well I am afraid. Examine whatever it is you consider to be your means of learning from experience.

As for knowlegability, I can teach you this: ATI knew about thier driver problems for years and did little or nothing to correct it untill recently. This tells you something about the company. What it tells you, is that the folks at the top in ATI are too interested in trying to keep up with NVIDIA and have great advertising… so much so than they will not spend a dime to put out descent drivers. They are willing to let customers deal with the problems in order to spend thier money and programmers’ time on making a new model card. This kind of company is not one that you want to do business with.

ATI has since quit providing telephone tech support beyond 30 days from purchase. If you have an ATI card and need help, I hope you have another PC so you can do all of the emailing it will take to get help weeks later. Just one more reason to avoid ATI. BTW, if you buy a card with an NVIDIA chipset, you can get phone support from the maker, usually indefinately, whether they are PNY, Gigabyte, or whatever company is the manufacturer of the card.

I personally called ATI telephone tech support to try to resolve the issue of vsync and gamma that frequently changed. I did not know at the time that ATI drivers WOULD NOT vsync regardless of what was tried, and that the gamma issue was a known driver issue. I spoke to both level 1 and a level 2 techs, and also a tech supervisor. They all insisted that the drivers would vsync. The truth is, they would not, and they knew it. Still, they lied to me and kept telling me that the problem must be my monitor, which we have all learned since was thier great lie of an excuse. If they had simply been honest about the drivers being faulty, I might have had respect for them.

I do not respect a company that knowingly lies to their customers to avoid replacements, shipping costs, or any other expense. I have been in customer service/retail management most of my adult life. ATI has neglected two critically important concepts in business by which EVERY SINGLE SUCCESSFUL business that wants to STAY in business operates:

  1. You must make the customer satisfied, even if it means losing a sale
  2. You must never lie to the customer.

Packard Bell was bought out and has since dissapeared (once the largest PC sales/maker in the world for several years straight) because they neglected these two concepts. The ex-CEO of Packard Bell himself admitted this in an interview about 3-4 yrs ago.

Another company which pulled the ole “Lie to em to get a buck” scheme is McAfee, who promised tens of thousands of customers free updates for a year to their Office 2000. No such updates were ever available and it pissed off many many people. They would not even respond to customers’ emails on the issue. They simply ignored them altogether. Naturally, I use Norton now, and I am more than very pleased.

I have built 4 PC’s, currently own 2, and have bought 5 video cards, all of differnet brands. I have installed and tinkered with more video drivers than anyone should ever have to. I have also learned to avoid user-made drivers that promise performance increases or bug fixes. I have learned from experience to patronize hardware makers who’s hardware not only provides good performance, but is stable and consistent, and to avoid those that do not. I have also learned to avoid companies that do not make a sincere effort to please me or who lie to me outright. Unless ATI has a new CEO and Board of Directors, I still do not trust them, never will.

Perhaps if you have read this post, you will be more “knowlegable”.


(Spookstah) #11

Maybe its time for IRONMAN to do some research on NVIDIA and all the lies and cheats they provide to their customers, maybe you just came out of your cave in which you did hide for a long period, but ATI did admit they did “cheat” in their old drivers (3-5 years ago) and they did admit they didnt gave enough support in the passed and thats a lot more then Nvidia ever did.

Their recent drivers (starting from theit 7000 gfx card series) arent any worse then nvidia drivers in this same period, they are even better then nvidia drivers lately and so are their gfx cards, starting from the radeon 8500 they did put Nvidia`s face in the mud.

And about tech support, 80% of the companies have bad or no support at all and NO company will ever admit to a customer that their product has bugs/flaws, they wont even admit it to their tech partners if they really dont have to.

About drivers install, both ATI and Nvidia will set back your settings to a standard setting (if you install the drivers according to the company procedure).

BTW atm im owner of 3 Nvidia and 1 ATI gfx card.


(I R O N M A N) #12

Huh? Aww come on. Don’t make stuff up to further your cause. If you are talking about the benchmark thing, you didn’t look into it deeply enough. The software maker later announced that it was the way they wrote the software, not the NVIDIA drivers that provided the slightly high ratings. You don’t need to needlessly bash NVIDIA just because I told the truth about ATI.

Huh? Just to see how freaked-out wrong you are about that, I went to the sites of a number of NVIDIA card manufacturers. Every one of them provides support. Again, don’t make up stuff to further your cause.

Uh huh. Isn’t that common knowledge though?


(Amadeus) #13

I don’t know about ATI, but with NVIDIA drivers, they will only revert your card to default settings IF you uninstall the older drivers first if you are installing a newer version. If you install a newer version of NVIDIA drivers over a current version, the settings will be retained.

If I am not mistaken, I believe that ATI drivers will not let you install a newer version over an older one without uninstalling first. This would indeed revert your card to it’s default settings. If someone has more info about this with ATI, perhaps they will post it here.


(Ao1SYS) #14

For all things driver related, I highly recommend this site: Driver Heaven

Also, The Guru of 3d and Beyond 3d are some great graphics related resources.


(petameta) #15

I had similar experience with ATI drivers. Sure it’s some time ago, at that time I even used windows …

It was like this: You start a game, crash. The next game starts, but half of the textures are missing. Yet another game eventually works … if you have good luck.

A friend of mine had the same gfx card, he solved his problems by installing different drivers (driver versions) for every game/application he used.

One day I was that much pissed off that I took the f**cking ATI card out of my PC, went to the next computer store and bought a GF2 MX. I didn’t have the money for a GTS, however the MX did quite well and I never had any problems since then. I will never again buy an ATI card !

Now I switched to Linux, and I’m happy that Nvidia provides perfect drivers for Linux. In linux, you don’t even have to reinstall drivers to get the card working, it was real plug’n’play :).
Afaik, ATI stopped developing drivers for linux, one reason more to buy NVidia cards.


(Ao1SYS) #16

I’m just really tired of listening to people bash ATI for something that’s old history. Yes, they used to have shit drivers. Today, that’s mostly a thing of the past. Will they still release a flaky driver from time to time? Probably, thats just the nature of the fast pace ATI and Nvidia have adopted.

I’ve read a lot user posts on various boards from users of ATI and Nvidia. As far as I can tell, both companies have released drivers that had problems. That sort of thing is inevitable. Like I said, it’s the nature of the business.

ATI has publicly committed to releasing a new driver approximately once a month. But what do you hear the Nvidia crowd repeating over and over again? “ATI has buggy drivers” or “ATI drivers suck” Bullshit! Quit dredging up the past and make your judgements based on current information. No they are not perfect and neither is Nvidia. The message boards are full of problems found on both sides of the fence.

Many of you are quick to forget that we would not even have the current technology we have today if it were not for the race between these two companies to “build a better mousetrap”. But for God’s sake, quit judging ATI based on issues dredged up from the past. It’s like saying “Ford sucks”, because your Pinto broke down back in 1976, or “Wolfenstein sucks”, because the first few patches had problems. Those things are irrelevant to current issues.

I have no doubt that people will still be knocking ATI over their drivers years from now, REGARDLESS of whether those claims have any merit or not.

All I can tell you is that Sony sucks ass (because my VCR broke down 15 years ago). Sheesh…


([=O=]SMYLER) #17

I second that.

I used to think ATI were a COMPLETE joke in the past, and yes with regard drivers they sucked fuckin’ rhubarb. But that has changed and Nvidia is pissin’ it pants right now as their hardware falls behind pathetically with regard upcoming games and basically is (as it stands now) getting anally invaded by ATI.

Nvidia have got so desperate that new drivers (that were written to attempt to play HL2 at a reasonable rate) have lowered video quality in order to obtain a higher frame rate (like we won’t fuckin’ notice).

I used to be Nvidia all the way but nope not any more.


(=ABS= SparhawK) #18

ATI have gone along way to satisfy the demand for up to date drivers, infact they have just commited themselves to monthly updates, nvidia have just announced they will be going to yearly updates.

Check the internet, go into video card forums, read as much as you can, boil it down in your head, answer is ATI on top @ the moment.

ATI jumped to front with the 9700 and has stayed there.

Nvidia will hopefully come back with NV40 or excellent NV50, competition is good (in fact essential).

I own.

Radeon 8500
Radeon 9700
Radeon 9700
Nvidia 4200 (excellent card best nvidia ever made)
Nvidia geforce mobile/laptop 32mb (watching Kill Bill on projecter from laptop now!!)


(Bokkem) #19

Meanwhile, ATI released Catalyst driver 3.8 :moo: