Are WE The Problem With Dirty Bomb?

(TepidJesus) #1

I was playing a casual game yesterday and it got to a point where the teams were clearly unbalanced (This was not a classic case of one team was losing so it was unbalanced) so I called a vote, instantly 7 “no” votes come in and just 2 yes votes (even on a 7v7). This shows that although we report to SD that games are unbalanced, we refuse to fix this ourselves with the simple press of a button, people are so hell bent on winning (Even with a tiny 500XP win bonus) that they are willing to sacrifice other people’s enjoyment of a game and a lot of the time themselves as i gets very boring spawn camping the other team.

Which brings me to my main point, are we the problem with Dirty Bomb, if we would just be nice people and vote yes to kick the AFK player and vote yes to the shuffle votes (I don’t mean those stupid 1min before end of match ones) DB would be a much nicer and fairer place. So just think about that…Are We The Problem With Dirty Bomb?

What is your guys take on this issue?

(n-x) #2

There are so many factors for why people dont vote shuffle. And some teams just plainly deserve to get stomped. Often stomps results from players just playing deathmatch with their favorit merc. If I am on a balanced team with medics, fire supports, a decent assault and an engineer and we stomp the enemy team who attacks with only snipers, proxys and thunders. No, I will not shuffle. Also when the enemy team is not even trying. Couldnt repair EV on the second try? Vote shuffle!

There are matches that should be clearly shuffled, when a high level player joins the already dominant team, for example. But in my experience, shuffle votes are often the go to solution before even trying to change something in your own team/tactic. And I guess, a lot of players are just tired of the constant team shuffle whine and therefore press automatically no, when there is a vote.

(MarsRover) #3

Yes.

(TitaniumRapture) #4

On the other hand we had 3 shuffles in one game. It was horrible.

(GatoCommodore) #5

We? you mean They?

the newbies that quits when they cant finish the first objective?
and then when i move and finish the first objective, my old team vote for shuffle because “unbalanced”

there will always people that do these “Acts” given the ability to do it.
in other games, like warthunder for example, they dont give you the ability to shuffle and people should stick with the team they are assigned and do their best.

isnt that great?

“what about quitters?”

Credit punishment is a thing.

Also, we need a Hell hole for quitters so they keep playing against other quitters so they can feel how its like to be left by quitters until they understand.

(TheStrangerous) #6

Both SD and the playerbase are problematic.

(bushyg) #7

Kids just want to win games. Pretty much all online games are like this, it’ll never change. Shuffle votes often get abused anyway and sometimes they aren’t worth doing.

(MarsRover) #8

Yeah, that’s true. It doesn’t help that the autokick timer is set to 3(!) minutes. That’s almost half a match. If I had any say it, 30s of being afk would trigger a vote to keep the player, not to kick him. If the vote passes then the player stays. If it fails he is immediately kicked. This would make pubs much more enjoyable to me. Casual is supposed to be drop-in drop-out, I see no reason for such long AFK timers.

(ImSploosh) #9

Sadly, shuffle votes generally don’t work. There are some cases where they’re successful, but most of the time it will either do nothing or just swap teams (attackers become defenders and vice versa).

(Melinder) #10

The high impact players that are the cause of the imbalance often don’t want to cast a shuffle vote, as if they are swapped to the other side, their efforts will have gone to waste. Not many people care for winning or losing, but rather knowing that the win was due to them performing well.

(Xenithos) #11

It doesn’t personally apply to me, as I pretty much just spam page up unless it’s to kick a player that is trying (or a friend) or a vote to surrender a match. I do see that there are a lot of players, even high-level players that just don’t give a crap about balance or other people. Me personally - I’m fine playing against every one of my friends as long as people think it’s balanced.

I hate spawn-camping a team if it’s not competitive.

([ *O.C.B.* ] Wildcard) #12

Personally I only vote yes if its unbalanced enough for the system to actually work worth a damn. When that condition doesn’t exist it often does one of two things:

[spoiler]A.) Just swaps attackers with defenders with possibly one or two people shuffled around

OR

B.) Makes the balance somehow even worse than before.[/spoiler]

Overall the system just tends to be moot point as it seldom does its job of fixing the team balance (which can be achieved if people can manage to tough it through a few games without rage quiting so the pre-game team matchings can even it out normally). Granted the system needs work but in over 1,200 hours of actual gameplay its only made it better on balance maybe one or two times throughout the numerous attempts I’ve run into of people using it.

(BlackboltLW) #13

I usually change to other team if I see the game is not balanced

Gotta give myself some challenge, you know

(watsyurdeal) #14

Yes

You’re terrible people…but so am I so its like we’re bretherin!

(Terminal_6) #15

The playerbase is a problem in that your average player wants to maximize their own enjoyment of the game over the enjoyment of each player in the game. But that’s an issue in every multiplayer, competitive game. So I don’t think it’s “on us” to fix.

The people on this forum probably all have a good amount of time in game, we’ve seen it all. I think we should consider that the majority of the playerbase, who does not participate in this forum, look up the DPS and recoil on guns, or propose rebalances, probably get a bigger kick out of winning than the rest of us. I, for example (and probably everyone else in this thread), have won enough games to the point that winning isn’t what matters, but facing evenly-matched opponents. But the majority, who plays less, probably just want to win because they get shit on all the time by us forum-goers. And they can’t be “fixed.”

(bgyoshi) #16

Autobalance

Never have I seen more of a need for an autobalance mechanism to shuffle the middle scoring winners to the losing side, and the low scoring losers to the winning side, than I have in Objective mode.

So much angry screaming from people here about it though, because if you’re not winning from your hard hard work in pubs, why play, right???

(GatoCommodore) #17

[quote=“bgyoshi;c-225730”]Autobalance

Never have I seen more of a need for an autobalance mechanism to shuffle the middle scoring winners to the losing side, and the low scoring losers to the winning side, than I have in Objective mode.

So much angry screaming from people here about it though, because if you’re not winning from your hard hard work in pubs, why play, right???[/quote]

no, just no.

i still play to win

we’ve been thru this already with TF2 and that system fails
people want to see how their hardwork for the team paid off and not keep shuffled around.

I remember I got killed after almost capturing the last point alone on dustbowl, then I get autobalanced. Then BLU wins just when I respawn on RED. :frowning:

that system is an utter bullcrap, thats what made me hiatus from playing TF2

(Cletus_VanDamme) #18

(kopyright) #19

The problem with not shuffling is that it doesn’t work either, so why not at least give it a try?

(DrRageQuit) #20

Half the time when a shuffle is successful it seems the player(s) who have fought hardest for the win get shoved onto the other team. Often if theres one particularly dominant player they are going to be dominant regardless of what team they are on, and can vastly swing the balance of a match by themselves. All that happens then is the other team start winning and people start whining again.

I agree that shuffles should be a thing. sometimes the balance is so incredibly biased that one team is in the others spawn inside of two minutes. But more often a team is just…losing… and i’m not going to shuffle that. Feels like some people aren’t going to be happy unless every single game is a draw.