Check this out:
http://www.splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-360
Looks pretty sweet, but how do they get the mouse to behave properly when the console game is expecting analog stick movement?
Anyone have this thing and how does it work with Brink??
I need to read better: Xbox version isn’t available until August, but the PS3 and PC ones are out. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Basically every version of mouse/keyboard attachment or modification I’ve seen for console reportedly makes the mouse feel too floaty and not very accurate/responsive. I haven’t used this product in particular though. Looks pretty cool though. Hopefully we’ll hear from someone that has used it.
From what I’ve read, mice don’t behave well on consoles because they only move 1 speed (whatever you have your controller sensitivity set to).
For instance, on a PC, you can quickly flick your wrist to do a 180 in half a second. On the 360, no matter how fast you move your mouse, you will still turn just as slowly as if you were using an analog stick.
The advantage of using a mouse over a controller is speed and precision. The mice for the 360 negate that advantage, since they still have to use the same in game sensitivity that was designed for controllers.
I have one, for the PS3. Have played Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, BF: Bad Company 2, and Uncharted 2 with it… with mixed results.
I plan on giving it a whirl with Brink in the next coming days, see if it performs any better.
BTW… Did you get the idea for this thread from my post in the individual skill thread?
That combo would make it much easier for a console player to switch to PC, particularly the left hand unity.
[QUOTE=SinDonor;356168]Check this out:
http://www.splitfish.com/index.php/en/products/fragfx-shark-360
Looks pretty sweet, but how do they get the mouse to behave properly when the console game is expecting analog stick movement?[/QUOTE]
You’ll play with the in-game sensitivity set on maximum. You calibrate the mouse, yourself (or actually, I think the fragfx’s doen’t need to be).
Floaty aiming is just the nature of today’s console shooters, easily adjusted to when you’re using a controller like this.
I’m not of fan of using an unfair advantage over normal players, so I don’t use controllers like these. However, I do take great satisfaction in knowing that many of the raging faux-beasts I dump on are using these types of controllers… adds a certain “sweetness” to the taste of their bitter envy-filled accusations that I’M some kind of cheater 
[QUOTE=AmishWarMachine;356183]I have one, for the PS3. Have played Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, BF: Bad Company 2, and Uncharted 2 with it… with mixed results.
I plan on giving it a whirl with Brink in the next coming days, see if it performs any better.
BTW… Did you get the idea for this thread from my post in the individual skill thread?[/QUOTE]
Nope, but now that I read it, sure! I was googling something else and the SplitFish pic showed up in the images results. Strange.
Lemme know how you like it!
[QUOTE=morguen87;356175]From what I’ve read, mice don’t behave well on consoles because they only move 1 speed (whatever you have your controller sensitivity set to).
For instance, on a PC, you can quickly flick your wrist to do a 180 in half a second. On the 360, no matter how fast you move your mouse, you will still turn just as slowly as if you were using an analog stick.
The advantage of using a mouse over a controller is speed and precision. The mice for the 360 negate that advantage, since they still have to use the same in game sensitivity that was designed for controllers.[/QUOTE]
There really is no excuse for you to be talking out of your azz like that, dude. Not when there’s google AND youtube.
Don’t let your narrow mindedness get the best of you, man. You’ll miss out on a lot of rationality and subsequent perspective in life. 
WATCH THE VIDEO! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0vfNjgiBTI
There’s no malice behind my post and I even stated in the very beginning I that it was based on what I’ve read. You’re trying to twist it into something it wasn’t, chill out.
I used to play a lot on a PC and I’ve done a lot of research on similar products and wanted to share my findings. Everyone I’ve found on Amazon or any other review site has mostly negative reviews. If there’s one that doesn’t and can be used for the 360 I’d be interested in seeing it as well.
[QUOTE=morguen87;356220]
I used to play a lot on a PC and I’ve done a lot of research on similar products and wanted to share my findings. Everyone I’ve found on Amazon or any other review site has mostly negative reviews. If there’s one that doesn’t and can be used for the 360 I’d be interested in seeing it as well.[/QUOTE]
I tend towards a different direction when looking to see if I should get ANYTHING gaming related.
I try to never base my opinion on “reviews”.
There really is nothing better than SEEING someone use a splitfish, other than you using it yourself. Hence, the video link in my last post.
You mentioned something about 180-degree turns with a wrist flick, didn’t you? I take it that you didn’t watch the video closely enough, then.
[QUOTE=SinDonor;356228]This one is pricey, but I’ve read some good reviews about it:
http://xim3.com/?page_id=182[/QUOTE]
I haven’t seen that one before, $150 is a lot of money, but if it really does as well as advertised I supposed it could be worth it if it makes the hours and hours of gaming more fun.
I’ll look into it and think it about it a little more seriously next pay day, thanks.
[QUOTE=General Techniq;356229]I tend towards a different direction when looking to see if I should get ANYTHING gaming related.
I try to never base my opinion on “reviews”.
There really is nothing better than SEEING someone use a splitfish, other than you using it yourself. Hence, the video link in my last post.
You mentioned something about 180-degree turns with a wrist flick, didn’t you? I take it that you didn’t watch the video closely enough, then.[/QUOTE]
I could be wrong, but that video looks like he’s playing on PC. If he is, there would be no analog-to-mouse translation, which is what morguen87 speaks on. And he’s right.
I have an older version for my PS3, the FragFXV.2SE, and it definitely has problems properly mimic’ing acceleration in a standard PC mouse… making 180° turns difficult to accomplish in a short amount of time.
Granted, maybe I didn’t have my sensitivity settings optimized. Maybe there’s a newer firmware that helps fix the issue. Maybe both.
I tell you one thing that is a pretty steep learning curve about it: the D-pad. Due to it’s location (read: proximity to the movement analog stick), switching from the analog to the D-pad, and back seemlessly… I struggle with it. Probably something that can be mastered in time, but that’s why they call it a learn curve, I suppose.
Another note on my previous usage of the controller: Any “guided” weapons (example: the three-shot guided missile weapon in BLOPS (Vulcan?)) and/or aircraft (helicopter in BF:BC2) were extremely difficult with the FragFX.
that’s a cool video of the XIM3 SinDonor posted a few posts up. It’s even more impressive considering Reach is a 360 exclusive so we know he’s using it on an Xbox.
I still don’t know if it really replicates the way a mouse behaves on computer, but it does look impressive.
And I know GT said he doesn’t trust reviews and all that, but I’m the opposite. If I’m thinking about spending $150 for a gaming accessory you better believe I’m going to try to read as much about it as possible.
[QUOTE=SinDonor;356228]This one is pricey, but I’ve read some good reviews about it:
http://xim3.com/?page_id=182[/QUOTE]
I’ve always thought of that as a bit of a cash grab, and it doesn’t support macros… at least at one point it didn’t support them.
Not trying to be belittling or anything, but you DO know that it’s an adapter, right?
Anyways… Didn’t you belittle me for making a comment about getting an Alienware PC?
You like building your own gaming rigs, right? Why not just get an Eagle Eye instead of spending 3x as much for the XIM? Eh?
You know what you’re paying all that extra money for, don’t you???
“CONVENIENCE” :stroggtapir:
[QUOTE=AmishWarMachine;356234]I could be wrong, but that video looks like he’s playing on PC. If he is, there would be no analog-to-mouse translation, which is what morguen87 speaks on. And he’s right.
[/QUOTE]
He’s playing on a PS3, Amish. How very imperceptive of you.
I tldr’d the rest of your post, but not out of disrespect. If I missed something that’s still relevant, let me know and I’ll go back and read it.
[QUOTE=morguen87;356239]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSMVshLfQQ
that’s a cool video of the XIM3 SinDonor posted a few posts up. It’s even more impressive considering Reach is a 360 exclusive so we know he’s using it on an Xbox.
I still don’t know if it really replicates the way a mouse behaves on computer, but it does look impressive.
And I know GT said he doesn’t trust reviews and all that, but I’m the opposite. If I’m thinking about spending $150 for a gaming accessory you better believe I’m going to try to read as much about it as possible.[/QUOTE]
OK, seriously… don’t take this the wrong way, if I’m mistaken.
You guys DO know that the XIM is just an adapter, RIGHT? 
EDIT: wow… sorry about the triple post.
[QUOTE=morguen87;356239]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQSMVshLfQQ
that’s a cool video of the XIM3 SinDonor posted a few posts up. It’s even more impressive considering Reach is a 360 exclusive so we know he’s using it on an Xbox.
I still don’t know if it really replicates the way a mouse behaves on computer, but it does look impressive.
And I know GT said he doesn’t trust reviews and all that, but I’m the opposite. If I’m thinking about spending $150 for a gaming accessory you better believe I’m going to try to read as much about it as possible.[/QUOTE]
OK, seriously… don’t take this the wrong way, if I’m mistaken.
You guys DO know that the XIM is just an adapter, RIGHT?
[QUOTE=General Techniq;356247]He’s playing on a PS3, Amish. How very imperceptive of you.
I tldr’d the rest of your post, but not out of disrespect. If I missed something that’s still relevant, let me know and I’ll go back and read it.
OK, seriously… don’t take this the wrong way, if I’m mistaken.
You guys DO know that the XIM is just an adapter, RIGHT?
EDIT: wow… sorry about the triple post.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I’ve only seen adapters for the 360. But that’s the most impressive one I’ve seen, I’ve mostly seen stuff like this:
while looking for them.
[QUOTE=General Techniq;356247]He’s playing on a PS3, Amish. How very imperceptive of you.
I tldr’d the rest of your post, but not out of disrespect. If I missed something that’s still relevant, let me know and I’ll go back and read it.
OK, seriously… don’t take this the wrong way, if I’m mistaken.
You guys DO know that the XIM is just an adapter, RIGHT?
EDIT: wow… sorry about the triple post.[/QUOTE]
Ahhh, I only watched the first 2 minutes of it the first time… at 3:40 or so pops the PS3 game invite.
Well played, sir~
So: Either I had my settings all wrong, the new FragFX and its firmware has fixed things, or I just suck with the controller.
Definitely gonna have to give it a go with Brink, now!