Anti-Cheat: Fair Fight

(DxDark) #81

[quote=“robustWonder;45362”]
Read multiple posts like yours trying to stop anti-cheat programs in more than one forum.[/quote]

How did you jump from “no bans by using systems based on numbers that legit player can achieve” all the way to “no anti-cheats at all”?

Salty. You’re like those twits on the Diablo forums that found it “fair” that during a botting banwave people who legit sat on their asses for 10 hours at a time were being banned because bots ran for that long, within human possibility.

I can track a player running through walls just the same as anyone with headphones and brains, why would I be deemed illegitimate for that? You don’t see Valve VAC-banning people because they had awesome headshot rates that even pros get, they set the community out to review players with very specific parameters to prevent abuse and ban ACTUAL cheaters.

But here you are, saying people are against AC because they think a computer banning on a computers terms leaves massive room for error. Ok…it’s starting to sound like you lack skill and want some of these exemplaries to be removed so you have more room to shine…

(Kaos88) #82

[quote=“Guilte;48434”]

And to the people concerned with privacy. The more envasive, the better the ACS when it comes to detecting cheaters.[/quote]

Yeh tbh i don’t care if it scans my whole PC if it can get rid of hackers. They truely are the only huge thing holding back PC gaming. Only thing consoles do better than us.

(Jojack) #83

See, this exchange right here in this thread is why FF scares people. I’m not going to comment on whether it works or not. Obviously it would have to be tuned and I’m sure it could do a good job but people have a skewed perception of what is “Humanly possible.” A few weeks back we had a guy claiming anyone with a 3:1 ratio was obviously cheating.

Right here in this thread we have this:

[quote=“srswizard;47477”]Heck, even if you could review this dude’s gameplay demo, after he’s been reported, most people would still probably call hacks.
I’m fairly sure that his playstyle would get flagged by FF, too.[/quote]

Then in comes Mr. “I know with certainty what is humanly possible”

[quote=“sixten;47553”]It would get flagged cause that’s not clean. What he’s doing is impossible.

The only thing that aim’s like that is a bot. You would have to be blind to not see that he’s shooting at people he cant even see yet.[/quote]

Then, the truth:

[quote=“Kroad;48453”]yep, he has videos from LAN on his channel. I’m fairly sure that if a player with videos like his were to cheat at LAN, he would be caught rather quickly.
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It’s people like sixten that make good players very wary of programs like FF.

Along with the guy that claims there are 10’s of thousands of hackers in DB right now. Or the guy who claimed last week that upwards of 80% of ALL players in ANY FPS are hackers…

And then guys like @robustWonder who accuse others of hacking for disagreeing about which is the best ACS to use.

As bad as hackers are making the game, I’m more fed up with the rampant hackusations. People are so paranoid.

(Bu5hmast3r) #84

[quote=“srswizard;47477”]I think this player is a good example, for when speaking against banning players based on statistics:

Heck, even if you could review this dude’s gameplay demo, after he’s been reported, most people would still probably call hacks.
I’m fairly sure that his playstyle would get flagged by FF, too.[/quote]

This a known norecoil Macro + ESP player and hopefully FF get his ass handed to him.

Dont know what you want here to proof. The guys and gals at FF are professionals. They are paid for doing this. And now you come with this fanboj crap.

(Guilte) #85

Wether he’s walling or not, everyone was pointing out that his aim is what made him a hacker, which you did not mention.

There’s nothing in-human about his aim.

(Jojack) #86

Known by who? Where’s the documentation?

Checking out his channel pretty sure there was no aimbot for this:

The guy is legitimately skilled. Unless there’s documentation or proof that he is a cheater I don’t see any reason to say he’s cheating. Especially considering he has several videos on his channel of him playing at LAN tournaments.

(misspo) #87

[quote=“Kroad;48453”][quote=“Guilte;48434”]
I’m also pretty sure that’s a fairly well known BF player. If it’s the same one I’m remembering, he plays the exact same on LAN.[/quote]
yep, he has videos from LAN on his channel. I’m fairly sure that if a player with videos like his were to cheat at LAN, he would be caught rather quickly.

although best people to ask about this would of course be outc1der and t0m as they have actually played vs him.
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outc1der and tom where are you GUYS

(sixten) #88

@Jojack @Kroad Yeah, sorry but no. You’re an idiot if you think you can’t cheat at LAN.

Back in the day, playing LAN was some form of reputable proof yes, but these days? No.

Do your research before assuming you know anything. I’ll give you a headstart, Keybode, still undetected at LAN.

(Guilte) #89

If you think he’s cheating aim wise, you’re ignorant haha.

This is from someone who has played against him quite a bit.

(sixten) #90

@Guilte Stevie Wonder can see that’s not him aiming.

(Kroad) #91

there are plenty of people with better aim than you

(Guilte) #92

Like I said, ignorant.

(sixten) #93

@Guilte You need to educate yourself on what cheats can actually achieve these days.

(Jojack) #94

[quote=“sixten;48513”]@Jojack @Kroad Yeah, sorry but no. You’re an idiot if you think you can’t cheat at LAN.

Back in the day, playing LAN was some form of reputable proof yes, but these days? No.

Do your research before assuming you know anything. I’ll give you a headstart, Keybode, still undetected at LAN.

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Ok, so is there any proof? One of the better players in the world competing in big tournaments, at LANs. Has ANY ACS or FF itself every said he is cheating?

Because he has plenty of content on his YT channel that would dispute people thinking he uses hacks. Do YOU do any research? I’ll give you a head start, I posted two videos in this very thread.

So far all I see is a bunch of baseless accusations even though every bit of proof available so far says he’s legit. That’s what is ruining FPS communities. Paranoia that anyone better than you must be cheating.

edit - by the way, I looked up keybode as well as searched for ways to cheat at LANS. It sure doesn’t look like it’s as easy as you make it sound. It’s possible some people cheat at LANs, but I haven’t found any concrete proof yet. I only searched for about 5-10 minutes though.

(sixten) #95

And? Everyone thought kqly was amazing at CSGO until he got VAC’d. Now everyone is on the bandwagon saying they knew all along. As I said, playing at LAN doesnt count for anything these days.

Is that meant to prove something? I could inject a silent aim into DB myself and upload a frag movie and would be just as legit as this guy. I too can snap to targets with no prior knowledge and drop everyone. in a 360 FoV of myself, as he does.

That’s your opinion. Mine and others is different which is why we are here.

(PurpleNurple) #96

[quote=“Jojack;48535”][quote=“sixten;48513”]@Jojack @Kroad Yeah, sorry but no. You’re an idiot if you think you can’t cheat at LAN.

Back in the day, playing LAN was some form of reputable proof yes, but these days? No.

Do your research before assuming you know anything. I’ll give you a headstart, Keybode, still undetected at LAN.

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Ok, so is there any proof? One of the better players in the world competing in big tournaments, at LANs. Has ANY ACS or FF itself every said he is cheating?

Because he has plenty of content on his YT channel that would dispute people thinking he uses hacks. Do YOU do any research? I’ll give you a head start, I posted two videos in this very thread.

So far all I see is a bunch of baseless accusations even though every bit of proof available so far says he’s legit. That’s what is ruining FPS communities. Paranoia that anyone better than you must be cheating.

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He’s one of those players that’s convinced himself that he knows what a cheater looks like based on his own mediocre skills and will never admit he’s wrong. He’s not all that uncommon in this game, but they rarely seem to leak into the forums thank glob. There’s no point in arguing with someone that constantly repeats his opinion rather than showing actual proof or any sort of evidence to support his claim.

(Jojack) #97

[quote=“sixten;48538”][quote=“Jojack;48535”]

Ok, so is there any proof? One of the better players in the world competing in big tournaments, at LANs. Has ANY ACS or FF itself every said he is cheating?
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And? Everyone thought kqly was amazing at CSGO until he got VAC’d. Now everyone is on the bandwagon saying they knew all along. As I said, playing at LAN doesnt count for anything these days.

Is that meant to prove something? I could inject a silent aim into DB myself and upload a frag movie and would be just as legit as this guy. I too can snap to targets with no prior knowledge and drop everyone. in a 360 FoV of myself, as he does.

That’s your opinion. Mine and others is different which is why we are here.[/quote]

Ok, so tell me why you think he cheats. It shouldn’t be hard to find a single shred of actual proof.

(sixten) #98

[quote=“PurpleNurple;48539”]
He’s one of those players that’s convinced himself that he knows what a cheater looks like based on his own mediocre skills and will never admit he’s wrong. He’s not all that uncommon in this game, but they rarely seem to leak into the forums thank glob. There’s no point in arguing with someone that constantly repeats his opinion rather than showing actual proof or any sort of evidence to support his claim. [/quote]

Arn’t you the very person who got banned by FF for cheating in APB? k thanks.

(Guilte) #99

So I guess this guy is cheating too.

(sixten) #100

Can’t view it yet, youtube is banned in my work sadly. I’ll look when i’m home.