[quote=“c00face;51295”]
Why doesn’t he have the tools again? Last time I check, he did. I detect a salty Phantom player, who can’t insta-kill anymore without counter play.[/quote]
He couldn’t instant kill before either, only people with less than 100 hp and with chopper equipped. I detect someone who loves to point fingers but knows nothing about the game.
Good job
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;51300”]
Instant kill without reaction = running around with a shielded cloak, and 20% melee damage + 20% duration on abilities. I’m sure by the time he knifed you, the second knife will be right after. There wasn’t no counter play, and yes, he could kill any merc in the game with two slice. Even if you reacted after the first slice, the shield on him is still active.
No one here is pointing finger, just redirecting a trash salty player out of his reign of thinking. Just because you have a cloak, doesn’t mean you run around in melee the entire game. Use your guns, oh wait… but you don’t. Because you think Phantom is just about knifing people with the Katana every chance you get. This is exactly why you’re idiotic, and don’t know anything about the game as you thought you did.
Now, please, move the hell along, and learn to play Phantom the real way. And that isn’t just running around and cloaking to knife people every chance you get. There’s a reason why Phantoms can equip guns, oh my.
While you’re at it, I have my popcorn for more raging noob Phantom players who think he isn’t viable anymore in competitive play. Just make sure you bring the salt and butter.
I guess I should go play him and see if he truly is weak or if it’s just weak for the people trying to get giggle melee kills.
You have a pistol and SMG, use it. If you’re already behind them, one knife + pistol shot will do the job. You already kill squishy in the game, and there’s a reason why Phantoms have guns. This isn’t a battle knife arena, where you run around knifing people to death, and never pull out your guns.
[quote=“c00face;51346”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;51300”]
Instant kill without reaction = running around with a shielded cloak, and 20% melee damage + 20% duration on abilities. I’m sure by the time he knifed you, the second knife will be right after. There wasn’t no counter play, and yes, he could kill any merc in the game with two slice. Even if you reacted after the first slice, the shield on him is still active.
No one here is pointing finger, just redirecting a trash salty player out of his reign of thinking. Just because you have a cloak, doesn’t mean you run around in melee the entire game. Use your guns, oh wait… but you don’t. Because you think Phantom is just about knifing people with the Katana every chance you get. This is exactly why you’re idiotic, and don’t know anything about the game as you thought you did.
Now, please, move the hell along, and learn to play Phantom the real way. And that isn’t just running around and cloaking to knife people every chance you get. There’s a reason why Phantoms can equip guns, oh my.
While you’re at it, I have my popcorn for more raging noob Phantom players who think he isn’t viable anymore in competitive play. Just make sure you bring the salt and butter.[/quote]
phantom was never viable in competitive play, as soon as you get a team who sticks together and has all 5 people communicating, he’s instantly facing a wall of lead wherever he goes
hell, with my 5 man we keep tabs on phantom as number 1 target to hunt him down, and having him more visible and louder completely ruins the stealth element of him,
You just proved you have no idea what you’re talking about c00face. The cloak goes down once you use any weapon as Phantom.
You are the salty one here, probably because you were unable to counter this merc.
Before this update people like you were whining all day about how OP Phantom was. Now that he got nerfed to hell, you’ll argue that he’s not unusable and the people who want to play him are just bad players. How can you be so delusional.
I would like your thoughts after you try him out in couple of games. Too many Phantom players assume his cloak is just to get behind enemy lines. His cloak can be used as an escape in team fights, and in gun fights. Or just, to out maneuver players, and position. If there’s a chance to grab a squishy in enemy lines, Phantom can do the job.
Most Phantom players are just playing him as a melee Champion, running around trying to get kills with Katana. I’m sure I know why they’re upset, because it doesn’t work as efficiently anymore, and I agree to such nerf on that kind of play style.
Most Phantom players I encounter, never are in team fights, they just run around the map trying to grab kills in cloak. I hardly ever, seen a Phantom use his SMG or pistol. He just runs straight into the enemy in cloak, and try to knife everyone.
[quote=“Shaker;51360”]You just proved you have no idea what you’re talking about c00face. The cloak goes down once you use any weapon as Phantom.
You are the salty one here, probably because you were unable to counter this merc.
Before this update people like you were whining all day about how OP Phantom was. Now that he got nerfed to hell, you’ll argue that he’s not unusable and the people who want to play him are just bad players. How can you be so delusional.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say people who did good with him previously and not anymore are bad players, it’s just a whole different mechanic now. Sure, everything they did to him besides cloak not being interrupted by heartbeat sensor anymore is negative to Phantom, but really, even the terrible players could do well with him.
I have this friend who is notorious for his inability to play games, when he was trying out Phantom on my account, he was able to have second best score on the server by literally doing nothing but running at people with his sword and cloak on. I imagine some enemies were terrible too, but that shouldn’t happen, no matter what.
I’m sure most Phantom players are able to play, I mean they’ve had to unlock him, which takes money, which takes game hours, which increases your skill. Some people could easily spot Phantoms before the update too. But the way I see it neither of those points really is the point here, skillcap for Phantom has been risen, weed out those people who actually didn’t play Phantom correctly
[quote=“Shaker;51360”]You just proved you have no idea what you’re talking about c00face. The cloak goes down once you use any weapon as Phantom.
You are the salty one here, probably because you were unable to counter this merc.
Before this update people like you were whining all day about how OP Phantom was. Now that he got nerfed to hell, you’ll argue that he’s not unusable and the people who want to play him are just bad players. How can you be so delusional.[/quote]
Uh, man-child, I never whine about Phantom, nor do I give one shit boy. I never said he wasn’t unstable nor is he stable, and I never said only bad players only play Phantom. I make a very valid point on the play style of Phantom, and how it should be. The only salt I see is from you, and all these cry babies who just constantly harass and try to poke your e-gangsta at me. And I’m just defending and poking back at your disgusting comments.
If you can’t act like a mature internet user who can discuss topics and relevant game play, then there’s really nothing to disgust with you here. You can make your exit, and gtfo my thread. But if you’re serious about a discussion on how Phantom is being play, and how wrong it is being play, you’re more than welcome to stay.
In the previous state of Phantom, he was play as a melee champion, with a strong Katana, and spamming ability to just kill everyone he sneaks up behind without counter play. And even if you did, caught him, and start firing… He still had his shield, and you’ll still get out play because of his armor.
The current changes to Phantom, make it so, Phantom has to be play with a gun. Oh wow, Phantom have guns? I hope all Phantom players realize this, that he has a gun. With the current changes, it will now provoke a more gun oriented style Phantom, instead of a fking running around, cloaking, and doing what ever the fk he wants on the map style of game play.
Thank you, and come again. Bring the salt.
Only problem I have with this patch is how the cloak is louder and more visible.
I think it completely defeats the purpose of the cloak, as it you can practically always see and hear phantom now if you have a sliver of awareness. Even while engaging from cloak in a team fight, while using his now nerfed “main” guns, it’s still pretty damn diffucult to actually contribute a kill, as there’s the one guy who does a 180 and triple dink you.
Only problem I have with this patch is how the cloak is louder and more visible.
I think it completely defeats the purpose of the cloak, as it you can practically always see and hear phantom now if you have a sliver of awareness. Even while engaging from cloak in a team fight, while using his now nerfed “main” guns, it’s still pretty damn diffucult to actually contribute a kill, as there’s the one guy who does a 180 and triple dink you.
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It’s too early to say how the changes effected him. But I know for certain, his style of play was provoked to change. If most Phantom players are still running around like a melee champion, they probably won’t get much done. On the other hand, a good Phantom player, can definitely make really good use to him.
On the other side of the note, it wasn’t a rant. It was dissecting disrespectful man-childs on the forum, who is emotionally and easily offended on a forum. Have a nice day, oh wait… You’re one of them.
You feel like you are a mature internet user when your first words in your reply are insults towards anyone that dares to not have the same opinion ?
It’s obviously impossible to have any discussion with you.
Rjsto, my problem is the skill ceiling is still very very low. If you’re good at the game you’ll do way more damage with another merc. I’d like the katana to be harder to use, it’s as simple as that. But on a technical POV it’s not that simple. And with the Phantom haters being very vocal SD was forced to update him massively ASAP. It’s a shame, because I really feel like I wasted these credits buying him.
And no, c00face, I haven’t bought him to get easy kills or because I can’t play. IMO a sneaky merc has a real tactical value. I didn’t enjoy him before because the skill ceiling is so low. Now I don’t even bother trying him again because the skill ceiling is still low and you can’t even sneak anymore.
Also you’re not making any sense, if it’s all about using the KEK-10, then you can do it with Bush too. You can flank as well as Phantom now that he’s so easy to spot, and you have a turret and you’re an objective specialist.
[quote=“Dirmagnos;51276”]Phantom - a thinking mans Fragger ?!?! Lol. What a load of rubbish.
Phantom is the most anti-teamplay and nab-oriented class. With his constant cloak spam and strong melee, one of the skilless mercs to play with.
Only ones who are crying regarding him being nefred are lamers who got used with easy kills and lack of any incentive for teamplay.
Who needs skill when you can just easely close in and then finish off most mercs with 1-2 swings. Combine his shield and hp pool and he has no problem to drop on any1 due to huge amount of damage he can soak up without much problems.
More like a tank with an ohk weapon.[/quote]
The only thing i agree with you is the relative low skill level that was needed with phantom to pull out kills ( at least on low level pubs) it was too easy for that enviroment
You’re assuming that everyone here sucks? You know that you’re probably totally wrong because people that is writing here defending phantom are probably the people that grasped his power and weakness and have also a better game knowledge? Does the fact that very high level player that plays comp said he was fine ring a bell?
Since, you know i played even before phantom came out but i also learnt how to play against him, i can still go in the same pubs where people used to whine about him and double the points of the second, just because this game is fairly new so it’s full of new players, it’s not that hard, really
[quote=“Dirmagnos;51276”]Phantom - a thinking mans Fragger ?!?! Lol. What a load of rubbish.
Phantom is the most anti-teamplay and nab-oriented class. With his constant cloak spam and strong melee, one of the skilless mercs to play with.
Only ones who are crying regarding him being nefred are lamers who got used with easy kills and lack of any incentive for teamplay.
Who needs skill when you can just easely close in and then finish off most mercs with 1-2 swings. Combine his shield and hp pool and he has no problem to drop on any1 due to huge amount of damage he can soak up without much problems.
More like a tank with an ohk weapon.[/quote]
I could easily own phantom from mid range with fragger/nader due to the fact that they usually run to you trying to melee at first impact, you remind me some guy i found on a server that said “phantom op” , i told him to try to longjump on a wall while shooting to get distance and make him miss his melee and he said “what’s a long jump?”
Still i agree he was to easy to kill with him against new players even if the user was another new player
[quote=“c00face;51295”]r]
Nah, from a distance he’s still rather hard to see. Plus whether the player feels the cloak is necessary or not, it’s still an armor. Armor. No other class has armor ability, and not only that, it’s also kind of armor that makes him slightly invisible.
And oh nooo, his katana is totally useless now. It still can one shot squishy classes, right? it’s still the best melee weapon in the game, isn’t it? If he gets close, you are just as boned as you were before the patch. Now you can’t just run right in someone’s face so that they notice you only after it’s too late, you actually have to plan your attack, agony 
Why doesn’t he have the tools again? Last time I check, he did. I detect a salty Phantom player, who can’t insta-kill anymore without counter play.[/quote]
Well those random insults really touched me i’m sad that you dislike the truth so much, your claim to not have problem with phantom and then claim him to be OP alone is a contradiction, for the simple fact that he was almost fine as he was (wrote reasons in the other points)
It’s the best melee weapon for sure, but melee are HORRIBLE right now, they are plain broken, they just can’t be used in a fight anymore, you can’t pretty much stun yourself for a second every swing, it’s just counterproductive even if you manage to oneshot some squshy you’ll end up dead against anyone that knows that headshot deals double damage.
Not really any comments about your statemens about insta kill without counterplay i hope it’s self explanatory that you are exaggerating and that everyone knows that
EDIT : woops i quoted some old message because i didn’t refresh for a long time, oh well
@c00face
Again, that’s basically a rant. Everybody’s entitled to an opinion. You can easily see the changes already, as people who have learned to deal with the guy have had their jobs even easier, due to his visible and pretty loud invisible armour.
You’re just getting mad at nothing at this point.
[quote=“winrarphile;51410”]@c00face
Again, that’s basically a rant. Everybody’s entitled to an opinion. You can easily see the changes already, as people who have learned to deal with the guy have had their jobs even easier, due to his visible and pretty loud invisible armour.
You’re just getting mad at nothing at this point.[/quote]
No, actually, I’m no where near “mad.” You can take your provoking and trying to insert your dominance into the text all you like, but it really shows how disrespectful, and angry YOU ARE. It’s not me, it’s you, and the other folks in this forum who is crying. I just left a very basic informative discussion on Phantom, and I left it at that.
Have a nice day. But oh wait, let me hit you up with what you directed at me in your previous post, “You just ranting now, you just getting mad at this point. You should stop getting mad, stop ranting, and stop crying.”
It’s really intriguing reading most of you guys post, reminds me of those childhood memories where the other kid is fighting, but he never started it. “YOU STARTED IT, no YOU, no YOU MAD. I didn’t DO ANYTHING, you just ranting boy.” Very… intriguing indeed.
[quote=“jetJester;51409”][quote=“Dirmagnos;51276”]Phantom - a thinking mans Fragger ?!?! Lol. What a load of rubbish.
Phantom is the most anti-teamplay and nab-oriented class. With his constant cloak spam and strong melee, one of the skilless mercs to play with.
Only ones who are crying regarding him being nefred are lamers who got used with easy kills and lack of any incentive for teamplay.
Who needs skill when you can just easely close in and then finish off most mercs with 1-2 swings. Combine his shield and hp pool and he has no problem to drop on any1 due to huge amount of damage he can soak up without much problems.
More like a tank with an ohk weapon.[/quote]
The only thing i agree with you is the relative low skill level that was needed with phantom to pull out kills ( at least on low level pubs) it was too easy for that enviroment
You’re assuming that everyone here sucks? You know that you’re probably totally wrong because people that is writing here defending phantom are probably the people that grasped his power and weakness and have also a better game knowledge? Does the fact that very high level player that plays comp said he was fine ring a bell?
Since, you know i played even before phantom came out but i also learnt how to play against him, i can still go in the same pubs where people used to whine about him and double the points of the second, just because this game is fairly new so it’s full of new players, it’s not that hard, really
[quote=“Dirmagnos;51276”]Phantom - a thinking mans Fragger ?!?! Lol. What a load of rubbish.
Phantom is the most anti-teamplay and nab-oriented class. With his constant cloak spam and strong melee, one of the skilless mercs to play with.
Only ones who are crying regarding him being nefred are lamers who got used with easy kills and lack of any incentive for teamplay.
Who needs skill when you can just easely close in and then finish off most mercs with 1-2 swings. Combine his shield and hp pool and he has no problem to drop on any1 due to huge amount of damage he can soak up without much problems.
More like a tank with an ohk weapon.[/quote]
I could easily own phantom from mid range with fragger/nader due to the fact that they usually run to you trying to melee at first impact, you remind me some guy i found on a server that said “phantom op” , i told him to try to longjump on a wall while shooting to get distance and make him miss his melee and he said “what’s a long jump?”
Still i agree he was to easy to kill with him against new players even if the user was another new player
[quote=“c00face;51295”]r]
Nah, from a distance he’s still rather hard to see. Plus whether the player feels the cloak is necessary or not, it’s still an armor. Armor. No other class has armor ability, and not only that, it’s also kind of armor that makes him slightly invisible.
And oh nooo, his katana is totally useless now. It still can one shot squishy classes, right? it’s still the best melee weapon in the game, isn’t it? If he gets close, you are just as boned as you were before the patch. Now you can’t just run right in someone’s face so that they notice you only after it’s too late, you actually have to plan your attack, agony
Why doesn’t he have the tools again? Last time I check, he did. I detect a salty Phantom player, who can’t insta-kill anymore without counter play.[/quote]
Well those random insults really touched me i’m sad that you dislike the truth so much, your claim to not have problem with phantom and then claim him to be OP alone is a contradiction, for the simple fact that he was almost fine as he was (wrote reasons in the other points)
It’s the best melee weapon for sure, but melee are HORRIBLE right now, they are plain broken, they just can’t be used in a fight anymore, you can’t pretty much stun yourself for a second every swing, it’s just counterproductive even if you manage to oneshot some squshy you’ll end up dead against anyone that knows that headshot deals double damage.
Not really any comments about your statemens about insta kill without counterplay i hope it’s self explanatory that you are exaggerating and that everyone knows that
EDIT : woops i quoted some old message because i didn’t refresh for a long time, oh well
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Shouldn’t you be off to playing Dota? Wasn’t that what you said after whining about melee nerfs, and crying about how the game is ruined, “OH MY GOD IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD.” On top of your crying, you leaked your salt on me, and tried to insult with your emotional instability? I think beyond this point, there’s not much to discuss with the likes of you. You have too much emotional issue, that I don’t even want to come near with a discussion. Have a nice dota.
TLDR of this thread: If you don’t agree with c00face, you’re a salty/angry Phantom player.
That’s kinda the case in class based games, isn’t it? You get good with a class you play a lot. There will still be people who will top score with Phantom, who can get close and be the insufferable buggers in close range they used to be. The way I see it, if you’ve played tf2, Phantom’s cloak is more like Scout’s bonk drink more than spy’s cloak now; It doesn’t make you invisible, but it doesn’t really matter, most people would just ignore him, or the few people who would follow him, Scout could easily dispose of. Same way here, Phantom can lead the stragglers to him and easily make them follow them around the corner and kill them. If no one follows him, well the cloak worked as well as if it had made him invisible. Like I said, it’s a whole different mechanic now, it’s the first day of the patch, give it a bit more of a chance first. I’m sure it’s not bad as it first seems