Acquiring trinkets through accumulation of play time is (imo) a bad idea

(servuskal) #1

Hey guys,
as stated in the title I think that the way to get those christmas trinkets is a really bad idea. The reason is simply that Dirty Bomb has no auto-kick function and encourages idling with this process of getting trinkets. This will be annoying for everyone who just wants to play the game because you will be hassled to vote for kicking afk players all the time. If you are acquainted with the current voting system you know that a vote-kick doesnt always pass. Furthermore I think that the exorbitantly time to get the snowman encourages afk players even more.

I think getting trinkets through XP-point accumulation would have been a better idea, but then they would have to deal with boosters i guess. Well the best way in my opinion would be “the log in XX days during christmas to get an exlusive trinket” and only after getting the auto-kick function should they do giveaways through this way with gameplay time.

What do you think? Am I concered for nothing or will we get a new wave of idling players?
Edit: Mea culpa. There is in fact an auto kick function. Either way I think people could easily avoid getting kicked with scripts and makros and my point is still valid that the trinkets will encourage afking.

(Jostabeere) #2

Too bad Dirty Bomb has an auto-kick.

(Izzy) #3

The only draw back in this is that they do it during a time people are likely to move (seing families and so on) and therefore unlikely to be in front of their computers.

But then, what would be the same problems for every Holidays event. Why not rewarding people that have been consistently there for all the time rather than people that just pop-up for holidays?

(servuskal) #4

Really? Wow I also googled and found no definite info on it, but I have never noticed someone getting auto kicked. Ah well theres also a way to use scripts to give ammo and medpacs in spawn. So Im still of the opinion that this way of getting the trinkets is bad.

(Jostabeere) #5

Go in a game and stay AFK. You will be kicked.

FYI: People can easily make a boot-up/shut-down shedule and an easy task which opens Dirty Bomb and closes it after 5 minutes. So the script thing is barely an argument, sorry.

(servuskal) #6

I dont really care about people getting trinkets they dont deserve but about afk players unbalancing matches and ruining matches for other legit players.
My biggest fear is that the game will end up with the idling player problem Team Fortress 2 once faced.

(supergonzo) #7

Maybe we will see a lot of unkickable spectators.

(Ctrix) #8

The auto kick timer is 3 minutes I think.

(Jostabeere) #9

I highyl doubt pectating will give you playtime.

(supergonzo) #10

I highyl doubt pectating will give you playtime.[/quote]

I know that spectators got cases, so the chance is good that spectating also count as playtime.

(Drac0rion) #11

Considering there are many many games that require 6-12 hours gametime to complete a game, 60 hours for 3 trinkets? Really?
The event itself lasts 360 hours? Now let’s assume the daily sleep is 8 hours, that’s 120 hours. So, 360-120= 240 and now 60/240=0.25 which means, you want us to spend a quarter of our holidays playing your game… And that’s without including anything but sleeping, so for a normal person who also likes to celebrate holidays they need to spend at least 1/3rd if not more of their time playing your game…

Edit* Did the math based off 15 days, but the event lasts 16 days.

Well played SD, well played, instead of letting the veteran players get their trinkets quick with XP whoring, I would have to go from 380 hours to 440 if I would want all the trinkets. Wonderful, happy holidays for everyone! While I know having the xp requirement for the trinkets would make players xp whores, it would still be such a better way than forcing people spend so many hours, the next best solution I’d come up is like the elite case giveaways, just log in X number of days and you will be awarded trinkets, for example, log in 3 days for first trinket, 7 days for 2nd and 12 days for 3rd.

Personally, I’m not really interested in holiday type of content or any of the current trinkets, but even if I did I’d have about ~120 hours or less free time and as DB isn’t the only game I play I do not intend to bother with any of these events. So thanks again for this great opportunity SD and Nexon.

At least I won’t have to worry about the lack of salt these holidays as the way these events got planned, I’m probably already on overdose.

(TheAcidpiss) #12

15 hours in two weeks is doable, but 60 hours?!? I don’t even have a job atm and I I’m not going to risk my health for a white thing hanging off my gun.

30 hours would be my limit, hell that’s still over 2 hours gameplay every day ffs

(Jostabeere) #13

[quote=“Dracorion;125632”]Considering there are many many games that require 6-12 hours gametime to complete a game, 60 hours for 3 trinkets? Really?
The event itself lasts 360 hours? Now let’s assume the daily sleep is 8 hours, that’s 120 hours. So, 360-120= 240 and now 60/240=0.25 which means, you want us to spend a quarter of our holidays playing your game… And that’s without including anything but sleeping, so for a normal person who also likes to celebrate holidays they need to spend at least 1/3rd if not more of their time playing your game…

Edit* Did the math based off 15 days, but the event lasts 16 days.

Well played SD, well played, instead of letting the veteran players get their trinkets quick with XP whoring, I would have to go from 380 hours to 440 if I would want all the trinkets. Wonderful, happy holidays for everyone! While I know having the xp requirement for the trinkets would make players xp whores, it would still be such a better way than forcing people spend so many hours, the next best solution I’d come up is like the elite case giveaways, just log in X number of days and you will be awarded trinkets, for example, log in 3 days for first trinket, 7 days for 2nd and 12 days for 3rd.

Personally, I’m not really interested in holiday type of content or any of the current trinkets, but even if I did I’d have about ~120 hours or less free time and as DB isn’t the only game I play I do not intend to bother with any of these events. So thanks again for this great opportunity SD and Nexon.

At least I won’t have to worry about the lack of salt these holidays as the way these events got planned, I’m probably already on overdose.[/quote]

Noone forces you do to anything. People wanted rewards you have to play a long time for since CW-event, people got it.
Also it’s not like those 60 hrs will be pain and hard work and you don’t get to play the game itself.

60 hrs are a big chunk, nothing for a f2p online game.

P.S. Don’t watch a gifted horse in the mouth.

(Drcipres) #14

Hmm, let’s try something, stay still for 5 minutes and then tell me the results

(TheAcidpiss) #15

[quote=“Jostabeere;125641”][quote=“Dracorion;125632”]Considering there are many many games that require 6-12 hours gametime to complete a game, 60 hours for 3 trinkets? Really?
The event itself lasts 360 hours? Now let’s assume the daily sleep is 8 hours, that’s 120 hours. So, 360-120= 240 and now 60/240=0.25 which means, you want us to spend a quarter of our holidays playing your game… And that’s without including anything but sleeping, so for a normal person who also likes to celebrate holidays they need to spend at least 1/3rd if not more of their time playing your game…

Edit* Did the math based off 15 days, but the event lasts 16 days.

Well played SD, well played, instead of letting the veteran players get their trinkets quick with XP whoring, I would have to go from 380 hours to 440 if I would want all the trinkets. Wonderful, happy holidays for everyone! While I know having the xp requirement for the trinkets would make players xp whores, it would still be such a better way than forcing people spend so many hours, the next best solution I’d come up is like the elite case giveaways, just log in X number of days and you will be awarded trinkets, for example, log in 3 days for first trinket, 7 days for 2nd and 12 days for 3rd.

Personally, I’m not really interested in holiday type of content or any of the current trinkets, but even if I did I’d have about ~120 hours or less free time and as DB isn’t the only game I play I do not intend to bother with any of these events. So thanks again for this great opportunity SD and Nexon.

At least I won’t have to worry about the lack of salt these holidays as the way these events got planned, I’m probably already on overdose.[/quote]

Noone forces you do to anything. People wanted rewards you have to play a long time for since CW-event, people got it.
Also it’s not like those 60 hrs will be pain and hard work and you don’t get to play the game itself.

60 hrs are a big chunk, nothing for a f2p online game.

P.S. Don’t watch a gifted horse in the mouth.[/quote]

its 60 hours in just over two weeks, that’s around 4 hours a day play time, in the Christmas holiday season.

that’s a lot of time away from family and whatever everyday.

There is a point when it gets to far, and 60 hours is waaaay to far!

where is your point? 70 hrs? 100hrs?

why 60 hours? why not 120 hours?, then it could be a full time job 7 days a week.

Because at 60 hours its a part time job at 7 days a week.

in the holiday period.

I would want a 150% bonus if I play on Christmas day :slight_smile:

there is a line and a point, and 60 hours in just over 2weeks, the line and point have been obliterated

Just my opinion, feel free to disagree if that’s your thing

(Ardez1) #16

Then forget about the snowman trinket. The other two are much easier to earn. I know I won’t be going for the snowman. Heck, I don’t even like the lantern that much. If I don’t get that I have no issue.

If all of them were given out after 60 hours it would be a problem, but it isn’t. You get 2 of them after a grand total of 15 hours. Just get those. If you really really really want the Snowman then you know what you have to do.

(Jostabeere) #17

60 hrs of hard work? No. 60 hrs of playing a video-game

It was so obvious. People gonna complain about every event where it’s not like: “Here! Take ALL the event stuff for free without doing anything!” And I believe even then people would complain.

(FireWorks) #18

Basically you face endless autoclickers and the autokick will do nothing about it. We had that topic in the past and I havent seen an argument why this wouldnt happen again. Actually I was considering it myself cause Ill definitly not get enough playtime unless 48hour-days.

60hours is beyond rediculous for me too. Even without a job, a family and holidays that would be a challenge cause honestly the game is not THAT interesting.

From a marketing view, I dont see why such a steep requirement has to fired on a holiday event. Why not a winter event later where the broad society is able to participate?

(TheAcidpiss) #19

[quote=“Jostabeere;125688”][quote=“TheAcidpiss;125645”]
There is a point when it gets to far, and 60 hours is waaaay to far!
[/quote]

60 hrs of hard work? No. 60 hrs of playing a video-game

It was so obvious. People gonna complain about every event where it’s not like: “Here! Take ALL the event stuff for free without doing anything!” And I believe even then people would complain.[/quote]

These types of rewards should be available for the majority of the player base, with some extra effort than normal. and the majority of the player base sure as hell will not be even close to achieving this goal.

The only people that will get this are the people that are a minority, and all it will do for the rest of us is give us a larger player base for them two weeks while so many of the no lifers hit it hard.

I don’t care about the trinkets one bit, but if they are going to ‘giveaway’ these things they should achievable for everyone with a reasonable amount effort, not people that can play the game 4 hours everyday for two weeks.

EDIT: and I said nothing about getting it for doing nothing, just a reasonable amount of time played, and I think 60 hours in two weeks is not reasonable (for the majority of the player base)

(Drac0rion) #20

@Jostabeere As I said, I’m not interested in the event myself, but the requirement for those who really want the rewards for 60 hours are ridiculous.
I guess it’s a try at marketing, getting those many players stay online for 60 hours to get those playerbase stats.
I honestly think this event had barely any thought put into it with those numbers they pulled out of their ass. Currently I have 52 games on my steam and I have only 3 games where I have 60+ hours in them. How is that reasonable? Even considering online games in general, I have probably never come across an event that requires you to be online for such a long time in such a short timeframe.