A new approach to cheating ...


(sniser) #41

Heh… I think you got me wrong there.

Hey, hold on for a sec. How did I say it should be legitimized or made more acceptable? I said NOTHING like that, only that it’s a social problem and that a technical solution is impossible. That’s not my fault hey, it’s how it is.

I feel I know perfectly well why these people cheat (they lack skill and haven’t the patience or enthusiasm to practise to get better),

Yeah, that might be true, but it’s still a very superficial description. Unless you are a cheater yourself, you can not know “perfectly” well why one cheats. I mean, we derive joy from getting better (or simply concentrating, wether we’re getting better or not). Some might like the ww2 theme etc. etc. But what is the point of a cheater? You only said what they don’t have. Useless. They also lack a 15t satellite orbiting them at 5000 mp/h, your point being? If you know it perfectly well describe it a bit better heh. Maybe you feeling to know it perfectly well is just you thinking what you want to think, and therefore it feels right for you?

and I’ve no desire to make them feel in any way, shape or form even remotely better about themselves and what they do.

Funny that, I didn’t say that either. I’m actually claiming what is going on right now is fueling their fire much more than any amount of openness could. I mean, I even said give them less attention if you can’t communicate, only that I’d personally like communicating better. It’s like writing songs about a group, talking about them everyday, holding meetings to talk about them - but when you meet a member of the group you don’t communicate because you “don’t want to give them any attention”.

Doesn’t sound too clever to me.

I’m sure they are laughing their asses off. I’m sure they get a chuckle out of the finger pointing and infighting and posting demos of alleged cheaters, and I’m also sure for some that dumb “cheaters have small dicks and wear their moms clothes” attitude seen a lot just “proves” what they already want to believe, that the gaming community is dumb and deserves to have their fun spoiled. If you’re really careful you might notice that I’m trying to understand them.

You know, as it is know they have their reasons we can only guess about. I’m sure finding out these reasons would NOT be flattering for the cheaters.

but we can all make a contribution to the cause as well by making sure these people feel as low, dirty and unwelcome as possible.

And how do you know that this is not something that motivates them even more? Why are you so damn sure? Ever had a decent discussion with a cheater? I didn’t, maybe it’s not even possible. But there is only one way to find out, and that is NOT “I know what you’re going to say anyway so I won’t listen neener neener”. Psychology is a more complex subject than that, maybe it’s beyond the scope of a gaming community heh.


(sniser) #42

Yeah, until cheats move away from the client and onto a LAN proxy or something.


(petameta) #43

I don’t say this is the perfect solution. Maybe it would work, maybe not. As sniser said, it’s a social problem. Before you can solve a problem, you have to know what causes it. So communicating with cheaters in a serious way is the first step ! I think it’s a good thing to put away the cheater-stereotype and talk !

You “feel” why people cheat. Not a good answer, this is called a heuristic. You do the best guess on the information you have, however the information is not sufficient for a correct answer. Your answer is the simple short-dick-theory. As I said before, you don’t know.

Making cheaters feeling bad only works to some extent too. Maybe they don’t care, or they cheat “clever”, so noone notices it. If we know more about the reasons, we might can apply a better strategy.


(Kendle) #44

Hey, hold on for a sec. How did I say it should be legitimized or made more acceptable? I said NOTHING like that blah…blah…blah[/quote]
I know you said nothing like that. I said it! That’s how forums work. You express your opnions, I express mine, other people express theirs. No need to take my post apart and get all uppety cos you think I’m putting words into your mouth. :bash:

No shit Einstein? Well I never :bash:

Of course I don’t “know”, or course these are just my opinions. I’m not a cheat, don’t know any cheats, have never met a cheat, don’t know anybody who does cheat, etc., so of course I don’t KNOW.

But then I don’t give a fuck why they cheat either, or have any desire to find out. I’m happy to let PB or whatever technical solutions there are available do their stuff and, if I do happen to come across a bona-fide cheat, treat him/her like the piece of shit they are and question his/her parentage.

Happy now?


(sniser) #45

Hey, hold on for a sec. How did I say it should be legitimized or made more acceptable? I said NOTHING like that blah…blah…blah[/quote]
I know you said nothing like that. I said it! That’s how forums work. You express your opnions, I express mine, other people express theirs.[/quote]Yeah, only that you didn’t even say “to me that would be making it more socially acceptable(, for the following reasons)”, you skipped that and simply assumed that as given.

A: “Hey, I wanna buy a motorcycle”
B: “Well, I think acting as a hardcore biker pimp would make you seem dumb”

You see? What B said is of course a valid, general opinion, and doesn’t necessarily imply that buying a motorcycle means acting like an idiot - but A is likely to understand it that way. Duh :stuck_out_tongue:


(Machine for to kill) #46

I don’t think all cheaters are noobs. There are many cheaters out there who are already very good players and use the hacks to give them an extra edge…usually for clan matches. Cheating in this game is not as big as it was in others, I remember AA before punkbuster was put in…those were some rough days. You did have people there who were very good and used small hacks to give them a slight advantage. Of course they used the hack so well that you could watch them for hours and never be able to tell that they are using it…You’ll probably ask: “so how did YOU know that they were using a hack?” …cause I know. I can spot these vermin from a mile away.


(Kendle) #47

Glad you understand me, I was going to edit my post to make it less ambigous, but presumably I don’t need to now. For what it’s worth I apologise if my post was mis-interpreted.

You base that on what evidence exactly? Clans are the LEAST likely people to cheat because for them the consequences of getting caught can be quite serious. They’ll certainly get banned from competitions, their Clan might also get banned. The money they spent on their Clan’s server might end up money down the drain etc.

For non-Clanned players, especially in ET, the consequences are minor to say the least (delete etkey file and re-join server).

Machine, are you IRONMAN in disguise, cos you’re starting to sound like him?


(sniser) #48

Heh. Shouldn’t rather I apologize, for not getting that at first, kinda flaming you, then getting it and even being a smartass about it? Hey forget what I just said, I accept your apology :smiley:


(Machine for to kill) #49

You base that on what evidence exactly? Clans are the LEAST likely people to cheat because for them the consequences of getting caught can be quite serious. They’ll certainly get banned from competitions, their Clan might also get banned. The money they spent on their Clan’s server might end up money down the drain etc.
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Well as I said I haven’t encountered much cheating in ET, but I remember from Americas Army that plenty of clan people used to cheat. From simple ghosting and revealing enemy positions (which they still do) to using aimbots and no recoil hacks. You seem to have gotten the idea that just because someone is in a clan he is somehow a good person, and that he won’t continue to do the things he did before joining. Maybe the clans you have experience with were good people and they really played well, but I’ve come across many assholes…jeez this is turing into that clan hating thread again…what a waste of time.


(Kendle) #50

So, in other words, not one shred of evidence!

No. I’ve “gotten the idea” (from my own experience and involvement in the Clan community) that because someone is in a Clan he/she has a positive incentive NOT to cheat, compared to the non-Clanned player who has none (apart from his/her own honour).


(Wils) #51

Our ‘enemy’, as you put it, would be the authors of the cheats, rather than the people who use them - knowing why someone cheats isn’t nearly as useful as knowing how.

That said, a lot of the SD staff have been playing online games for a good number of years now, and the reasons people cheat are the same they’ve always been - either to boost their egos, because they think ‘everyone else’ is cheating and they have to join in to compete, or simply because they like annoying people.

The guy who I banned only registered to troll, which was the main reason I deleted his post in the first place - if he’d come to argue his case, or provide additional information on his side of the whole debate, I’d have only banned him :slight_smile:


(SCDS_reyalP) #52

People cheat because they know they can act like complete assholes online without consequences. It is the online equivalent of walking down the street spitting in strangers faces. Of course in real life, you wouldn’t get too far with that…

An easy solution to the current problem would be to make banning work. Unfortunately, the most effective way to do that would be to charge money for GUIDs.


(ETplayer) #53

ban on ip…


(SCDS_reyalP) #54

most home broadband is on DHCP. For those people, changing IPs is trivial.


(The_Jesus_Zeppelin) #55

i wish i was a cheater, itd make noobs look up to me…i wish i had some form of respect :disgust:

but seriously, i tried to downlaod aimbot just for fun and play against a couple friends,good prank right? make em think im god? but call me retarded, i ahd no idea what to do with it. so it just sat there in a zip file until i cleaned about my comp, and now those days are long gone and im such a pro at being a noob, dont even need aimbot anymore…er wait yes i do :bored:

i wish i didnt suck so bad. :disgust:


(Sauron|EFG) #56

That wouldn’t be too difficult, but there is a legitimate use case: some drivers for 3D glasses are implemented as OpenGL wrappers. (Not that I can imagine that anyone uses 3D glasses… :bored: )


(Kerunch) #57

I’ll state the obvious here…People cheat because they can,People write cheats because they like to think they are above the people who write the programmes .“I can write a programme to cheat on their game therefore I am Intillectually higher than them.I am God.”(I also have a small willie).
I am of the opinion that cheaters should have the rough end of a pineapple
rammed up their arse.Thank you. :eek2:


(Sick Boy) #58

Where are the hackers when you need them ? :???:

If someone took down the sites distributing these cheats or infected the cheats with a virus or something, maybe it would discourage people to download them?

Maybe not politically correct, but then I don’t do political correctness :bump:


(Sauron|EFG) #59

Not only politically incorrect, but downright illegal in most countries…


(Sick Boy) #60

Yeah I know but they don’t seem to care much do they :drink: