5v5 or 6v6 Min level 10 servers....when?

(AnonOmis1000) #21

how the hell are they unbalanced? Both teams have the same number of people. The only bad thing with adding more players is that the maps get more crowded. That’s it.[/quote]

I have to say I agree with him.

More players allows for more explosive spam and stacking characters. It becomes a clusterf*ck real quick. Just because players are equal on both sides doesn’t make it fair. [/quote]

Character stacking is going to happen. It’s on DB to balance the mercs so that a team comprising mostly of one merc or one class isn’t going to succeed against a team with a high variety. And yes, there can be explosives spam, but there can also be medic spam (I’ve seen it) and engineer spam. Having 2 more people per team isn’t going to break it.[/quote]

You say that, but it will break it. There is a reason that competitive scene is balanced around a 5v5 format. Not only does a 5v5 format cater to the map size, it is what the game is (supposed) to be balanced around.

SD balances around a 5v5 format, and that is why it is broken when you get 6v6 and 7v7 matches. I have nothing against them and anyone that wants to play it can go for it, but I don’t think it’s balanced in any way shape or form.[/quote]

How is it not balanced? I rarely see more than 2 of the same merc on any given team. Seems that naturally people go for team diversity.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #22

It’s not to say you can’t have a balanced 7v7 match but the maps and game design/balance are based on 5v5.

I think 5v5 will remain exclusive to Ranked but it would be great to see min 10 servers be changed to 6v6. I also wouldn’t mind if 7v7 became the max server size and 8v8 was completely removed as the game seems to struggle a bit with that player count.

Community servers when?

(terminal) #23

It’s a pub, I don’t think format matters when anybody can play any merc they want.

(AnonOmis1000) #24

@pumpkinmeerkat when the game releases that’s when. Right now the game is still in development. It only makes sense that they want players to only be on their servers so they can monitor them.

(fuzzel) #25

i miss a comment from the sd guys about our questions?

(PurpleHippo) #26

You don’t and that’s fine, but many of us do. Why should we not get servers in a format we enjoy playing?

The game is hiding behind “beta” to let things slide instead of actually fixing them. That excuse is such bullshit I don’t even know where to start.

(AnonOmis1000) #27

And your evidence to support that is…? What? Do you really think the people over at SD are doing this purely for money and don’t because they have a passion for game design?

(terminal) #28

You don’t and that’s fine, but many of us do. Why should we not get servers in a format we enjoy playing?

The game is hiding behind “beta” to let things slide instead of actually fixing them. That excuse is such bullshit I don’t even know where to start. [/quote]
Did you read what I wrote or did you just see the word “I don’t” and went on to write a reply?
Have you played an organized competitive game before?
Pubs don’t need formats when anybody can play any merc they want to.

(PurpleHippo) #29

Yes i did. I ask for 5v5 or 6v6 servers because i dislike the spam in larger formats. Which part of that do you not understand? You don’t think it matters but many players do, Should we be denied servers in a format we want because you don’t think it matters?

(PurpleHippo) #30

Yes i did. I ask for 5v5 or 6v6 servers because i dislike the spam in larger formats. Which part of that do you not understand? You don’t think it matters but many players do, Should we be denied servers in a format we want because you don’t think it matters?

(spookify) #31

[quote=“PurpleHippo;27688”]7v7 is a retarded format. Why cant get get some 6v6 or 5v5 min level 10 servers already?

And no “ranked” doesn’t work because I’m stuck with the same kind of incompetents I get in normal pubs so why bother? (plus the idea of trinkets as reward offends me, don’t ask me to explain it just does)
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I totally agree 7v7 is stupid for this game!! Give us some 5v5 and 6v6 and Rename them something cool and with the correct region!

(Mrarauzz) #32

Game is balanced around 5v5 but we get 8v8 clownfiesta clusterfuck servers… Wai SD

(Szakalot) #33

i like 7v7 but id would love 6v6 minlvl10s

imo 5v5 is not such a good idea cause its too vulnerable to ragequits and drop in/out nature of pubs.

and give us minlvl20!!

(PurpleHippo) #34

[quote=“Szakalot;163198”]i like 7v7 but id would love 6v6 minlvl10s

imo 5v5 is not such a good idea cause its too vulnerable to ragequits and drop in/out nature of pubs.

and give us minlvl20!![/quote]

On the contrary 5v5 might be a great way of getting people used to the format and playing more ranked (though i admit its not that likely to happen)

(Szakalot) #35

[quote=“PurpleHippo;163231”][quote=“Szakalot;163198”]i like 7v7 but id would love 6v6 minlvl10s

imo 5v5 is not such a good idea cause its too vulnerable to ragequits and drop in/out nature of pubs.

and give us minlvl20!![/quote]

On the contrary 5v5 might be a great way of getting people used to the format and playing more ranked (though i admit its not that likely to happen)[/quote]

and how are you going to address the issues of drop in/out, ragequits, and frankly much more difficult balance?

(PurpleHippo) #36

[quote=“Szakalot;163280”][quote=“PurpleHippo;163231”][quote=“Szakalot;163198”]i like 7v7 but id would love 6v6 minlvl10s

imo 5v5 is not such a good idea cause its too vulnerable to ragequits and drop in/out nature of pubs.

and give us minlvl20!![/quote]

On the contrary 5v5 might be a great way of getting people used to the format and playing more ranked (though i admit its not that likely to happen)[/quote]

and how are you going to address the issues of drop in/out, ragequits, and frankly much more difficult balance?[/quote]

I have no good answer for that.

(Szakalot) #37

[quote=“PurpleHippo;163291”][quote=“Szakalot;163280”][quote=“PurpleHippo;163231”][quote=“Szakalot;163198”]i like 7v7 but id would love 6v6 minlvl10s

imo 5v5 is not such a good idea cause its too vulnerable to ragequits and drop in/out nature of pubs.

and give us minlvl20!![/quote]

On the contrary 5v5 might be a great way of getting people used to the format and playing more ranked (though i admit its not that likely to happen)[/quote]

and how are you going to address the issues of drop in/out, ragequits, and frankly much more difficult balance?[/quote]

I have no good answer for that. [/quote]

alright :stuck_out_tongue:

as long as you acknowledge how much worse it gets when its 4v5 compared to 5v6 or 6v7. Or when a good player leaves and a terrible one joins in their stead. And how its more difficult to have good skill averages for 10 people as opposed to 12/14

(MarsRover) #38

If only we had some kind of behind-the-scenes pub MM system that tries to keep servers full with with people somewhat close on the skill scale instead of this total randomness with half-full servers called the “server browser”…

(bgyoshi) #39

It always boggled my mind why SD has said from the start “5v5 IS BEST FORMAT GAME SHOULD BE 5V5 WE INTEND IT” then makes it impossible to play 5v5 in pubs. How can you expect anyone who is used to 6v6/7v7/8v8 to want to play 5v5?

Personally I hate 5v5 but I agree, get rid of shit spam 7v7 and 8v8 and make the game 5v5 or 6v6 only, ranked AND pub. 7v7 is fine for Execution, that’s all.

(Litego) #40

It’s a company, of course they’re doing it for money. If this truly was a beta then we wouldn’t be able to spend money in it. You could say they need to test the payment system and model, which is true, but you don’t need years to do so. It also doesn’t help that they’ve moved a considerable amount of the development team to other projects, why would you do that with a game in development?

Also more players on a map does change the balance, doesn’t matter if the player increase is the same on both teams, choke points explode into inaccessibility, flanks get shut off, you need to kill more players to be able to push which becomes a problem because by the time you’ve cleaned up they’re all back from spawn again. You still have the same amount of health and ammo, so if you manage to clean up, now you’re out of ammo and can not defend it. Stuff like that.