Women Characters?

(Stroggafier) #21

Ah, don’t you just hate it when the “realities of development” sometimes just jump right up and bite you in the ass? :smiley:

(tokamak) #22

All newbies in the world could come by this forum and start a thread about it, it still doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

(BioSnark) #23

Nope. It doesn’t make the feature ‘good’ or ‘bad’. It just shows an interest in the feature from new players.

(brbrbr) #24

you alter you opinion when Womans around the world fill lawsuit against SD.
for [sadly, common]example.

why only “from new players” ?
im always wanted to give some ammo to female teammates, screen them from bullets and/or point the way by my almighty RL tube, while playing ETQW.

(tokamak) #25

May I refer you to the previous page?

(signofzeta) #26

looks like someone doesn’t live in DC.

(redbeardraven) #27

This topic has come up quite a bit lately. The primary issue that I have noticed as the reason why male characters are so predominant in games is because of the cost to make the models [right] for the females. Here is the link to the recent article in Game Informer about this sort of issue.

It is apparently more time consuming to make the models to fit the right skeleton and the animations to fit the way a female actually moves and acts in game. I am not saying that this should always be done, but considering what Brink is already bring to the table I don’t have a problem with this. I wouldn’t see much of an outcry for the female gamers out there as most of the time, this goes unnoticed by both genders.

I would much rather have a quality game because that is what the developer wanted then a compromised game because the developer felt that had to [try] please everyone.

(INF3RN0) #28

The sexless strogg never had these problems :). (Those floaty females don’t count)

(BioSnark) #29

Actually, sir, I live on a satellite fringe of that city.

(Nail) #30

“It is apparently more time consuming to make the models to fit the right skeleton and the animations to fit the way a female actually moves and acts in game.”

the exact reasons Splash Damage gave for not including them

(signofzeta) #31

lol, do you know what the Washington NBA team is called now, and what it was formerly called?

My joke was that, if someone got mad, and changed Washington’s former NBA nickname to the what it is today, how many more people will get angry with shooting at females? Disney got away with harming females with magic, so therefore if FPS games have females in them, they should use sorcery instead of guns.

I also put in two links in that original post of mine to give a clue, but oh well, nobody here is a basketball fan.

(BioSnark) #32

Yes, I know about the bullets / wizards. I just don’t see how that illustrates a line between shooting men and shooting women since both are already common in video games.

Afaik killing children is still something of a taboo, however… like the annoying brats in fallout 3.

(brbrbr) #33

thats true only for sexless “stroggs”.

(AnthonyDa) #34

[quote=signofzeta;221175]lol, do you know what the Washington NBA team is called now, and what it was formerly called?

My joke was that, if someone got mad, and changed Washington’s former NBA nickname to the what it is today, how many more people will get angry with shooting at females? Disney got away with harming females with magic, so therefore if FPS games have females in them, they should use sorcery instead of guns.

I also put in two links in that original post of mine to give a clue, but oh well, nobody here is a basketball fan.[/quote]
IT’s moslty about performances issues. Just like the fact that everyone is bold in current games because consoles (and PC) can’t handle it, and bold female = meh.

(Nail) #35

it’s kind of like this:

(INF3RN0) #36

[QUOTE=Nail;221353]it’s kind of like this:

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ROFL… love it!

(brbrbr) #37

thats explain woman character absence.
“too complex”[to finish game with it inside. with reasonable time/money in dev-t].

(obsidian) #38

All the women are in the ark. The men are just stuck outside because they kept forgetting to take out the trash on Wednesday mornings.

(SPC. Angseth) #39

[QUOTE=redbeardraven;221162]This topic has come up quite a bit lately. The primary issue that I have noticed as the reason why male characters are so predominant in games is because of the cost to make the models [right] for the females. Here is the link to the recent article in Game Informer about this sort of issue.

It is apparently more time consuming to make the models to fit the right skeleton and the animations to fit the way a female actually moves and acts in game. I am not saying that this should always be done, but considering what Brink is already bring to the table I don’t have a problem with this. I wouldn’t see much of an outcry for the female gamers out there as most of the time, this goes unnoticed by both genders.

I would much rather have a quality game because that is what the developer wanted then a compromised game because the developer felt that had to [try] please everyone.[/QUOTE]

I call BS and you know why? we had female character models in games like Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, 10 years ago and that never surfaced as a problem.

Are you telling me developers are stupid to implement this into games now? when back then it was normal?

Why didn’t they make all the models female to begin with then? why pick males?

I got an answer for that, and its one that can be used every time a developer has to make up a “technical” excuse for the exclusion of women in games: biased sexism, plain and simple.

Recently, Rufian Games, the developers behind Crackdown 2 gave a similar excuse for the exclusion of females in the sequel, its clear its becoming a trend to do so.

Its too bad the mentality of the average gamer is around the 13 years of age, because they can’t think of women as important characters for storytelling and gameplay, no, it always has to be about sexualising them and if not, exclude them.

Looking at the few games that DO include female characters, it amazes me how developers can come out and say it is a matter of cost, money or developer time to add a model and skin variation, I guess in those other games that do have them apparently that never surfaced as a problem.

So please, no matter what excuse the developers come up with Im not gonna take their word for it, there are ways around to work it out if its truly a technical problem (which its not) if they really cared to add them (which they don’t).

(Senethro) #40

You are aware that the models/textures/animations of Unreal and that era had a smaller memory footprint and took less work hours to create? Thats why everyone had their own skin. Times change y’know.