Will the SMG-9 ever get any love?

(Sorotia) #1

I’ve been on and off with DB for months…

I’ve noticed a lot of weapons getting buffs…to the point where some of them can even be called OP or had nerfs reverted.

The Hoch became a laser with insane killing powers…the Grand became a hip firing sniper rifle that you can spam at close to medium distance and hit reliably and the Dreiss has become a respectable weapon.

Yet…the SMG-9 has been stuck in purgatory for as long if not longer since they buffed the Hoch.

I love this gun and still use it now and then on Nader but I"m better off using the Hoch or Crotch since I have good loadouts for both…

Really should take a look at it and give it some place to fit in…

(AlbinMatt) #2

The SMG 9 is in an odd place, as with the Kek 10, as they try awkwardly to bridge the near rifle grade SMGs such as the Crotz and Blish, and the PP Bizon derivative, the Hocfir.

(Eox) #3

I never understood why they gave that DPS buff to Hochfir. That weapon wasn’t bad at all, but it’s used a lot on Proxy, and Proxy is widely used by beginners, explaining the bad values.

Hochfir became pretty much a straight upgrade to SMG-9. But on the other hand, Hochfir and SMG-9 choice is only a problem on Nader who is the only merc who can choose between those two guns at once. I wouldn’t mind a SMG-9 buff, but I think the Hochfir buff should rather get reverted instead.

(GatoCommodore) #4

smg-9 Buff

(Noir) #5

[quote=“Eox;c-226873”]I never understood why they gave that DPS buff to Hochfir. That weapon wasn’t bad at all, but it’s used a lot on Proxy, and Proxy is widely used by beginners, explaining the bad values.

Hochfir became pretty much a straight upgrade to SMG-9. But on the other hand, Hochfir and SMG-9 choice is only a problem on Nader who is the only merc who can choose between those two guns at once. I wouldn’t mind a SMG-9 buff, but I think the Hochfir buff should rather get reverted instead. [/quote]

So do I. Hochfir buff was underserved and the weapon now does an insane amount of aimpunch. It feels like the aimpunch is not ajusted to the weapon fire rate, although it should. I am not even affraid of dueling a mediocre Fragger with Hochfir Proxy.
But SD balances the game so every weapon is capable of winning a duel. You end up beeing able to win duels with secondaries.

I really like SMG-9 but I see no advantage of it VS Crotzni. Is a buff the sollution ? We’ll end up with all weapons beeing buffed. Not good for TTK.

(Sorotia) #6

[quote=“DefaultSettings;c-227398”][quote=“Eox;c-226873”]I never understood why they gave that DPS buff to Hochfir. That weapon wasn’t bad at all, but it’s used a lot on Proxy, and Proxy is widely used by beginners, explaining the bad values.

Hochfir became pretty much a straight upgrade to SMG-9. But on the other hand, Hochfir and SMG-9 choice is only a problem on Nader who is the only merc who can choose between those two guns at once. I wouldn’t mind a SMG-9 buff, but I think the Hochfir buff should rather get reverted instead. [/quote]

So do I. Hochfir buff was underserved and the weapon now does an insane amount of aimpunch. It feels like the aimpunch is not ajusted to the weapon fire rate, although it should. I am not even affraid of dueling a mediocre Fragger with Hochfir Proxy.
But SD balances the game so every weapon is capable of winning a duel. You end up beeing able to win duels with secondaries.

I really like SMG-9 but I see no advantage of it VS Crotzni. Is a buff the sollution ? We’ll end up with all weapons beeing buffed. Not good for TTK.[/quote]

Well if it doesn’t need a buff it at least could use a review…

It’s the slowest firing, tied for shortest effective range, second slowest reload (only .1 seconds faster), tied for second lowest damage (Only lower damage is the hoch but still does more dps because it makes up in RoF).

They buffed the Hoch even though it had its own niche before the buff and it was doing okay…but more and more I think they only buffed the Hoch to keep the Proxyscrubs happy.

(Eox) #7

[quote=“Sorotia;c-227401”][quote=“DefaultSettings;c-227398”][quote=“Eox;c-226873”]I never understood why they gave that DPS buff to Hochfir. That weapon wasn’t bad at all, but it’s used a lot on Proxy, and Proxy is widely used by beginners, explaining the bad values.

Hochfir became pretty much a straight upgrade to SMG-9. But on the other hand, Hochfir and SMG-9 choice is only a problem on Nader who is the only merc who can choose between those two guns at once. I wouldn’t mind a SMG-9 buff, but I think the Hochfir buff should rather get reverted instead. [/quote]

So do I. Hochfir buff was underserved and the weapon now does an insane amount of aimpunch. It feels like the aimpunch is not ajusted to the weapon fire rate, although it should. I am not even affraid of dueling a mediocre Fragger with Hochfir Proxy.
But SD balances the game so every weapon is capable of winning a duel. You end up beeing able to win duels with secondaries.

I really like SMG-9 but I see no advantage of it VS Crotzni. Is a buff the sollution ? We’ll end up with all weapons beeing buffed. Not good for TTK.[/quote]

Well if it doesn’t need a buff it at least could use a review…

It’s the slowest firing, tied for shortest effective range, second slowest reload (only .1 seconds faster), tied for second lowest damage (Only lower damage is the hoch but still does more dps because it makes up in RoF).

They buffed the Hoch even though it had its own niche before the buff and it was doing okay…but more and more I think they only buffed the Hoch to keep the Proxyscrubs happy. [/quote]

Actually, slowest firing SMG is Blishlok. This does not make your point about SMG-9 less true tho.

(Sorotia) #8

I put slowest? Well I done screwed up lol meant second slowest

(AlbinMatt) #9

@Sorotia Wouldn’t the Crotzni be the second slowest?

(Sorotia) #10

Crotz fires at 650 rpm, the 9 only fires at 620.

(AlbinMatt) #11

@Sorotia And the base damage?

(Sorotia) #12

Same damage…the 9 just fires slower.

(AlbinMatt) #13

@Sorotia Well, I haven’t known any of these stats previously. Thanks!

This seems off though. The Crotzni (12 raw, 24 headshot 650 rpm) is a great weapon, and bridges the gap between the other SMGs, Assault Rifles, and the Blish, and serves its role well, shooting a tad faster than the M4, but with less damage, and only 5 extra lead in the mag.

The SMG 9 however, shoots slower, but has a whopping 50 rounds per mag. What kind if weapon was SD going for?

I’m no balance expert, but here are my suggestions:
-Reduce damage to 10 (between Kek 10 and Hoch)
-Increase RPM to 700
-Decrease accuracy at long range
-Have the damage falloff sooner

(Guziol) #14

It doesn’t even have more bullets in mag that crotzni, they both have 40. The only upside that smg 9 has on crotzni is the ironsights ( arguable ) and easier spray/recoil controll. Crotzni even reloads faster.

(Sorotia) #15

@AlbinMatt

All the weapon stats if you want to take a look…the SMG-9 is pretty much in purgatory right now…

http://dirtybomb.gamepedia.com/Weapons

(GatoCommodore) #16

smg-9 needs more love

[quote=“AlbinMatt;c-227650”]

The SMG 9 however, shoots slower, but has a whopping 50 40 rounds per mag. [/quote]

oh yea you guys also need to look at the augment carried by SMG-9s loadout.

gotta change the whole loadout if you want to fix balance on SMG.

(TheOmniscient) #17

I think the SMG-9 is rather odd currently, if the accuracy was increased a tad bit it would be lovely. The accuracy and spread are too awkward imo to make this weapon reliable. This is something I can say about the Crotzni too, and even the blish in consistent firing. However, the other two have less random ADS recoil I feel, and have higher damage that can drop opponents before it becomes too big an issue. I can’t find the saving grace of the SMG-9. Kek-10 and Hochfir definitely are more reliable, as they both have laser like accuracy paired with decent DPS.

(AlbinMatt) #18

@GatoCommodore Thanks, big typo there.

(KangaJoo) #19

Yep Ive always wanted the smg9 to be a little worse than the crotzni up close, which it is currently, but better at mid and long range with low enough spread to really reward precise aim.

Really all I’d want changed is slightly better dmg dropoff, better spread, and less random ads recoil.

(Naqel) #20

My take on it would be to cut the mag on SMG-9 to 30 rounds, but let it reload the fastest of all smg’s.

Tuned right you could get a nice sustained DPS going for it, with the downside being that it has the weakest “burst”.