[QUOTE=Etek;265953]Piracy ain’t that high?
I am currently in a room with about 100 people. I can count on my hand the ones the legally purchase software, and they all play computer games. According to them, I’m an idiot for purchasing games.[/QUOTE]
Mmm maybe I didnt make myself clear, piracy is at its highest, thats what I meant 
Yes it is, and you’re denying it like a typical conspiracy theorist. You said you don’t like Steam because you believe sometime in the near future they’re going to extort all their customers from their purchased games. It makes more sense for Steam to stay free than subscription based. You’re claiming to be a gamer yet disliking a common aspect about it for imaginary reasons.
[QUOTE=Etek;265953]Piracy ain’t that high?
I am currently in a room with about 100 people. I can count on my hand the ones the legally purchase software, and they all play computer games. According to them, I’m an idiot for purchasing games.[/QUOTE]
Those aren’t gamers either; they’re pack rats. They’re not even the target market, they just want to collect everything. Missing out on multiplayer in L4D or Brink will make it stale pretty quick.
[QUOTE=BrigandSk(A);265956]perhaps because you wish to play updated version and muliplayer
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Like pirated servers don’t exist? There are very few multiplayer games that can’t be played with a pirated version. Even Wow has pirated servers.
I forgot to mention one more crucial advantage.The ability to download a game and keep a backup .Many other digital distributers like ea and d2d are not doing that.Not to mention that in steam u can use paysafe to preorder or buy a game.Other online distributors dont have that.
Ps:im in work and my boss just show me writing on this forum and was curious about what kind of forum it is and when i said its about a game called brink he said:Quit gaming and run the ****** fluent (simulation fluid program)
Pc sales show a 20% increase the last months.Piracy always existed .Remember ps1 and how this console managed to stay alive cause everybody pirated games
Mmmm once again the inabilty to deduce classic conclusions on these boards amazes me…
DRM never been as high yet piracy never been that high… I’ll let you do the math auzner because if I chew it too much I dont see a reason for you to keep using your brain anymore.
I love when people jump on me like barking dogs while they fail (or dont even try to) understand some basic concepts, I’ve never said that I’m 100% rights and I gladly admit when I’m proved wrong, but at least try to prove it with some ideas rather than the typical “you are a douche and I’m right cuz I want to win the interweb”.
A discussion (or a debate) is when both parties get out of it with mutual gain, trying to drag someone into mud in order to “win” is plain stoopid, but well, I guess I dont have to teach you that do I?
Aaaaaanyway, as usual if you dont go with the flow you are treated like **** heh? You know what, I dont really care, I have enough good and interesting topics in my own life to keep my brain nicely occupied, with actual people who think and debate.
Peace
PC gamin is far from dead.
Look at the left side of the page, PC players: 2 526 331, Xbox: 2 762 792 PS3: 2 226 478
Even though you can have more than 1 character for one account on PC and PS3, hardly anyone does it, it’s not like having 10 characters in wow, having another character in BC2 is like reseting your stats, so not many people have more than 1, we are still far away from being dead and buried.
[QUOTE=Etek;265963]PC gamin is far from dead.
Look at the left side of the page, PC players: 2 526 331, Xbox: 2 762 792 PS3: 2 226 478
Even though you can have more than 1 character for one account on PC and PS3, hardly anyone does it, it’s not like having 10 characters in wow, having another character in BC2 is like reseting your stats, so not many people have more than 1, we are still far away from being dead and buried.[/QUOTE]
Yet almost 75% of games nowadays are console ports 
but its another topic.
Steam sales account for 70% of PC game sales. I think it’s online sales though. Why on Earth would they jeopardize that with charging people to use the client? Not only would they lose most of their customers but they’d lose a massive amount of FREE publicity for their games. Do you not see how often Steam shoves Valve products down our throats?
Not only that but Steam is a great way to manage your games. You can install and uninstall without needing to find a disc or worrying about having scratches on your disc, etc. You get all the updates delivered right to you, no more going online and searching for them. Everything is there without a hitch. You have game-specific forums you can visit if you have a problem with the game, you can join friends in game and talk via IM. You have game-related news delivered right to you as well. Plus the games you download with Mac support can be downloaded for both PC and Mac at no additional charge. Oh and it also suggests games related to the ones you own and games your friends are playing so you can branch out and find new games to play.
And the deals are truly remarkable. For instance, right now you can get 4 Ubisoft games for only $13. Amnesia, which is a GREAT indie game is only $10.
[QUOTE=Apples;265962]Mmmm once again the inabilty to deduce classic conclusions on these boards amazes me…
DRM never been as high yet piracy never been that high… I’ll let you do the math auzner because if I chew it too much I dont see a reason for you to keep using your brain anymore.
I love when people jump on me like barking dogs while they fail (or dont even try to) understand some basic concepts, I’ve never said that I’m 100% rights and I gladly admit when I’m proved wrong, but at least try to prove it with some ideas rather than the typical “you are a douche and I’m right cuz I want to win the interweb”.
A discussion (or a debate) is when both parties get out of it with mutual gain, trying to drag someone into mud in order to “win” is plain stoopid, but well, I guess I dont have to teach you that do I?
Aaaaaanyway, as usual if you dont go with the flow you are treated like **** heh? You know what, I dont really care, I have enough good and interesting topics in my own life to keep my brain nicely occupied, with actual people who think and debate.
Peace[/QUOTE]
lol dude nobody said you are an idiot or something and even if he did ,dont listen to him.You state a point and another user states a different point from yours.Dont get upset cause of that.Making though assupmtions without having clues is a bad thing(im not refering to you ,its a general point).As i stated piracy always comes and goes .I dont think that now is at its highest .Better example than bc2 and how dead they think pc gaming is ,is starcraft 2.Look at their sales and its hasnt even hit china.I predict at least 20million sales
[QUOTE=-bacon-;265966]Steam sales account for 70% of PC game sales. I think it’s online sales though. Why on Earth would they jeopardize that with charging people to use the client? Not only would they lose most of their customers but they’d lose a massive amount of FREE publicity for their games. Do you not see how often Steam shoves Valve products down our throats?
Not only that but Steam is a great way to manage your games. You can install and uninstall without needing to find a disc or worrying about having scratches on your disc, etc. You get all the updates delivered right to you, no more going online and searching for them. Everything is there without a hitch. You have game-specific forums you can visit if you have a problem with the game, you can join friends in game and talk via IM. You have game-related news delivered right to you as well. Oh and it also suggests games related to the ones you own and games your friends are playing so you can branch out and find new games to play.
And the deals are truly remarkable. For instance, right now you can get 4 Ubisoft games for only $13. Amnesia, which is a GREAT indie game is only $10.[/QUOTE]
Actually I reinstalled it for DoW2 and yes, I admit it improved remarkably since the first days, I guess it because i’m an old fashioned (yet awesome) man who likes to have separate copies of games, and dont want to centralise all his games in one apps, it’s like divide and conquer 
My concern about steam are more “philosophical” than “practical” anyway, I used to find it <beep> because it worked like <beep>, now it seems it works well, but I still dont like the concept, sue me!
Well it is more a cristallisation of the general gaming industry than a steamrage anyway, but I’ll shut up now, because the flamewar will (has?) begin.
Oh nevermind, its maybe superpedantic but I’m sure I’m not an idiot I’m a drunk yes, so sometimes you might not read my posts after 1AM (I usually end up banned anyway xD). As stated I dont have uberduper facts, but overarguing on about anything is not my conception of a debate, I never thought that ideas were cheap (as many mention this sometimes), without ideas the world wouldnt evolve, yes facts and practice is allways a good step, but it all started with an idea. I’m a scientist so I spend my day arguing bout facts, but you can backup your initial idea with as many facts and experiments you wish, if the initial idea is bad, your point will be moot.
Anyway it’s boring if I cant have some free speech on a forum So I take this right!
Peace
[QUOTE=Apples;265969]Actually I reinstalled it for DoW2 and yes, I admit it improved remarkably since the first days, I guess it because i’m an old fashioned (yet awesome) man who likes to have separate copies of games, and dont want to centralise all his games in one apps, it’s like divide and conquer
My concern about steam are more “philosophical” than “practical” anyway, I used to find it <beep> because it worked like <beep>, now it seems it works well, but I still dont like the concept, sue me!
Well it is more a cristallisation of the general gaming industry than a steamrage anyway, but I’ll shut up now, because the flamewar will (has?) begin.
Peace[/QUOTE]
So from what ive reading you are against game sales domination from a single company.That is why other companies should see what steam does and act accordingly imo:D
Yes and no, to me the only point I dislike is being “forced” to play the game I purchased thru some application (third party), or register with a global licence etc, like GFWL. I will also admit that I’m super paradoxal here, because I have a fb account… so meh about privacy!
My point is more that games are just a funny thing to me, and I dont want to be forced to register everywhere, everytime, for everything in my life. Read the stuff anthonyDA posted about the new realID stuff at battlenet and the problem it can causes. My gaming life != my real life, fb is about my real life so if i want to share stuffs I do, when I play under my nick I dont want people to have any info about it, and why would they need to know my taste anyways? except for selling me more stuffs.
Well this debate can go on and on, but I’m not fluent enough in english to express exactly my thoughts, its a shame.
Peace
[QUOTE=Apples;265969]Actually I reinstalled it for DoW2 and yes, I admit it improved remarkably since the first days, I guess it because i’m an old fashioned (yet awesome) man who likes to have separate copies of games, and dont want to centralise all his games in one apps, it’s like divide and conquer
My concern about steam are more “philosophical” than “practical” anyway, I used to find it <beep> because it worked like <beep>, now it seems it works well, but I still dont like the concept, sue me!
Well it is more a cristallisation of the general gaming industry than a steamrage anyway, but I’ll shut up now, because the flamewar will (has?) begin. [/QUOTE]
I understand where you’re coming from. I’m that way my music and movies, for the most part. I like having a physical copy of it and try my best to avoid using a service like iTunes for it. I guess it’s for archival purposes, or at least that’s what I tell myself anyways lol.
I was that way with games until I bought Left 4 Dead and was forced to use Steam for it. I hadn’t used Steam since around 2006 so I saw how much better it had become and noticed all the deals going on. Then it just became more convenient with pre-order bonuses and such.
[QUOTE=-bacon-;265975]I understand where you’re coming from. I’m that way my music and movies, for the most part. I like having a physical copy of it and try my best to avoid using a service like iTunes for it. I guess it’s for archival purposes, or at least that’s what I tell myself anyways lol.
I was that way with games until I bought Left 4 Dead and was forced to use Steam for it. I hadn’t used Steam since around 2006 so I saw how much better it had become and noticed all the deals going on. Then it just became more convenient with pre-order bonuses and such.[/QUOTE]
Yes indeed, and I’ll prolly use it if I buy brink (and a new windows 7 ;)), and even if I dont buy brink i’ll use it for DoW2 and stuffs, the thing is that I almost never play mutliples game in the same time, so I dont have the same incentive to purchase many things, actually I’m playing etqw only (with a bit of QLive but I’m too old for that now :D), before that it was ET, before that it was SoF2 and before that it was Q3. I never played like 10 different games in the same day, thats why I’m not really attracted by the steam concept, I understand your points also, its just a matter of opinion I think.
The only thing that makes me sadpanda is that more and more companies are now steam or gfwl ONLY, and the more you cut the choices, the more I’m unhappy.
Peace
I think most developers do that cause its more easier for them to use a third party existing program for dedis ,browser ,stats ,anticheat etc.Im too against third party programs tbh cause they mess with the real game but its also a way for them to stop piracy at least for the multiplayer part.So its a win and lose situation simultaneously.giving your real id sux to be honest and its the only thing i didint like about sc2 and blizzard.Facebook sux also but you do this by choice .A choice that in many games u dont have cause u have to install a trhird party and make account with true id and stuff.Overall though steam is by far the best pc third party prog so sacrificing all this for brink is the most compromising choice for both developers and players.
I’m too lazy to care, I like having all of my friends in 1 place, 1 login, can see what they’re doing and join them if need be, in-built voip, they have some cracking deals… and even though I’m forced to use it, I like that I’m not forced to buy from Steam… had that been locked, it’d be a different story.
You’re preaching uniqueness and etiquette without even demonstrating it so you can be edgy. Hating everything just so you feel unique is just as bad. They’re called hipsters. I point this out because it’s obvious to more than just me because of the unobjective reaction you’re having to everyone’s response.
I think that was mostly Etek. But you describe the reaction to your statement so dramatically. Maybe because what you said was so dramatically wrong to everyone. You’re trying to play the underdog by moral high grounding yourself. No, you’re not being ridiculous at all. We all should agree with everything you say because you have so much to teach us about being unique and recognizing evil impending globalization and consumerism.
Basic concept: Extortion is a criminal offense. (Valve would break the law)
Some Idea: DRM at the point of being malwares is unattractive. (Valve would not keep or gain customers)
Some Idea: Doing something illegal and unattractive to your customers will not make money.
Your agreement with the topic: I predict Valve will do something illegal and unattractive so I can say I everyone but me is a sheep and that I was right.
Without any supporting facts everyone’s intuitive reasoning is that this makes no sense.
I don’t create wild ideas or chose random arguments. I go after people who don’t think critically and who demand their opinion not be open for discussion. And almost every time everyone responds to my lack of empathy rather than my point. I’m well on my way to getting banned for posts like this anyways, so you’ll get rid of me sooner or later. I was only trying to address your attitude in hopes of making you more objective. That’s what I’ve been trying to do with everyone. It seems like everyone wants to state rubbish and then complain if they take any flak for it. Maybe someone else gave it more thought and is trying to explain their point of view. When I’m responded to I try to spell out my reasoning and why I think they’re thoughts conflict with mine. But at that point it’s “oh your post is not worth reading”. That’s how the globalized consumer sheep would respond. “Forget any further ideas, they don’t agree with me!”
The piracy thing is a moot point. If someone pirates it and plays it with only a pirate copy they were never going to buy it in the first place.
[QUOTE=Auzner;265986]You’re preaching uniqueness and etiquette without even demonstrating it so you can be edgy. Hating everything just so you feel unique is just as bad. They’re called hipsters. I point this out because it’s obvious to more than just me because of the unobjective reaction you’re having to everyone’s response.
I think that was mostly Etek. But you describe the reaction to your statement so dramatically. Maybe because what you said was so dramatically wrong to everyone. You’re trying to play the underdog by moral high grounding yourself. No, you’re not being ridiculous at all. We all should agree with everything you say because you have so much to teach us about being unique and recognizing evil impending globalization and consumerism.
Basic concept: Extortion is a criminal offense. (Valve would break the law)
Some Idea: DRM at the point of being malwares is unattractive. (Valve would not keep or gain customers)
Some Idea: Doing something illegal and unattractive to your customers will not make money.
Your agreement with the topic: I predict Valve will do something illegal and unattractive so I can say I everyone but me is a sheep and that I was right.
Without any supporting facts everyone’s intuitive reasoning is that this makes no sense.
I don’t create wild ideas or chose random arguments. I go after people who don’t think critically and who demand their opinion not be open for discussion. And almost every time everyone responds to my lack of empathy rather than my point. I’m well on my way to getting banned for posts like this anyways, so you’ll get rid of me sooner or later. I was only trying to address your attitude in hopes of making you more objective. That’s what I’ve been trying to do with everyone. It seems like everyone wants to state rubbish and then complain if they take any flak for it. Maybe someone else gave it more thought and is trying to explain their point of view. When I’m responded to I try to spell out my reasoning and why I think they’re thoughts conflict with mine. But at that point it’s “oh your post is not worth reading”. That’s how the globalized consumer sheep would respond. “Forget any further ideas, they don’t agree with me!”[/QUOTE]
Where did the etiquete and uniqueness came from? Not in my post I guess, I’m far from being unique, and I dont try to act as this, I just explain why I dont like steam or the other global registration stuffs, does that makes me unique??? Woa I feel so special now! Thanks. Regarding fb its nice you picked it up, I gave you this on purpose as its the easiest bait ever in this kind of discussion, yeah I have a fb account, no its not open to everyone, and yes its by choice that I have one, I was never forced to register to fb in order to enjoy my real friends more, I just find that convenient. If I cant play online without steam, I’m therefore forced to use it in order to enjoy my e-friends more, and thats the main point.
Anyway, I really think that you should get off your high horses cuz I’m not the type of person who is picky over the interweb, if you become stupid I can win just by clicking the ignore button, yeah its easy as that! Oh maybe it’ll be a win just for me, or for my spare time, well…
Secondly you claim that I didnt read your post etc, and then call me a martyr who is trying to get attention? Comon use your brain again! And I’m the one without logic here :rolleyes:
In almost everypost you make, you spend half of your post explaining how your argument is true, how you said that 5 pages ago, and how you enlighten everyone with the sharpness of your argumentation, then you accuse me of trying to convert people to my “religion”, while I clearly stated to bacon and MrX that I agreed with them about many points, once again Come on!
I didnt react “dramaticaly”, or your level of emotion is really weird, I explained with clear words that if you bark at me being totaly off the point, it makes me laugh. And claiming that I have free speech on a forum is not being dramatical, its stating the obvious…
You stating that posts like these will get you banned and that I’ll get rid off you soon… Where the **** is that coming from please? And i’m the insecure/attention whore/big ego here??? Please give me a break the time I fell off my chair laughing. Did I ever said I wasnt willing to talk with you? just because we have different pov doesnt mean that I’m right and you are wrong, dichotomy is bad you know, try to open yourself, it’s fun.
You try to bring logic by overcomplexified way of expressing yourself, while your ideas lack really some consistencies, I dont call that logic at all here, I call that mmm dunno, being an ass? (now that would get you banned, keep it in mind, you’ll thank me later).
And please oh please, about the thing that I dont judge critically… this was the better part, I explained myself over and over in order to clarify my point but you seemed to be stuck in an infinite loop about the “conspiracy theory” that emerged like what, 12 posts ago? I’m indeed very critical in my reasonment and I explained that I dont want to be registered everywhere when its not by choice, and sadly in the gaming industry it’ll be less and less possible to play a game without going thru a bazzilion registration, and yes if people are fine with that, it’s OK with me, I’ll just will sit back and wait.
Anyway, have a good day!
Peace
Never experienced any connectivity issues with Steam and who the hell doesn’t have an internet connection these days?
I wonder why they don’t just give away the singleplayer for free. You get to play the whole game offline. And have to buy the full version to play online.
You get people invested in the game, they build a character and want to do more with it, they want to see it perform against other people and such.