Why Ranked Will Kill Dirty Bomb

(hawkeyeguy99) #1

If ranked truly was the “core of Dirty Bomb” like Shoe keeps saying it is I would stop playing today, no joke. The fact that the mode with an actual matchmaking system is worse than no matchmaking at all is pathetic but I’m not here to rant about why I hate ranked more than I hate America’s political correctness. I’m here to voice concerns on the future of Dirty Bomb if this continues.

If the matchmaking is not fixed for ranked and they continue to advertise it as the main mode of game it will single handedly drive new players away. Who wants to play a game where every match is a gamble of whether or not you get the stacked team? Counter Strike, Team Fortress, Overwatch, Paladins, Dota, LOL, are all successful games and have big player bases because of their good gameplay along with good matchmaking. It doesn’t matter how good your gameplay is if your matchmaking makes any match you play unfair and unfun. Why Splash Damage seems to completely disregard this is beyond me. It’s immensely clear to me at this point that they don’t care at all what we the players think about actual game issues because nothing significant has changed in nearly 2 years. But if they refuse to listen this time I fear it’ll drive more and more players away. I’ve found myself not even wanting to boot up the game because I know I’ll end up playing ranked because I want the skins and end my night frustrated and angry after 1 or 2 matches.

New players who don’t know the game like we do won’t stay after seeing what the “core of Dirty Bomb” is. It’s just as plain as that. You can’t bribe new players with nice skins and expect them to put up with bullshit because “oooo look shiny trinket”. They don’t care about the game enough yet to want to care about skins.

Here’s how to fix it:
Take ranked down after season 3 and DO NOT put it back up until you’ve figured out how to make it work with the current playerbase. There’s no excuse for releasing something this broken and calling it a legit gamemode. Also please fix the game before you try to cultivate a competitive scene. Fletcher still isn’t fixed, Thunder still isn’t nerfed properly, the katana’s hitboxes still don’t work, and Bushwhacker is still behind the meta. Fix your game and make it stable and THEN go for competitive modes.

I’m getting my next ranked case and then I’m done with ranked for this season. I couldn’t care less about the trinket coming out later. It’s not worth the headaches.

(blufflord) #2

If they increase ranked min lv entry to 15-20, then newer players are forced to pub until they stop being scrubs, at which point they can finally play ranked without letting down the rest of the team. Hopefully they’ll also have cards other than the defaults, and mercs other than vasilli, starter mercs and whoever’s on rotation.

(Melinder) #3

If they were to make Dirty Bomb’s matchmaking system function the same way as a populated game’s matchmaking system would, the “core of Dirty Bomb” would be Queue Simulator 2017 for a lot of players.

(Dieu-Sama) #4

@blufflord said:
If they increase ranked min lv entry to 15-20, then newer players are forced to pub until they stop being scrubs, at which point they can finally play ranked without letting down the rest of the team. Hopefully they’ll also have cards other than the defaults, and mercs other than vasilli, starter mercs and whoever’s on rotation.

Again, DB matchmaking has a serious problem with it’s playerbase, shrink it with lvl 15 - 20 restriction and the current MM will be even more cancer

(Cgz27) #5

I guess there isn’t much we can do about it except to keep giving ideas.

Remember not to take ranked too seriously guys o3o

and Don’t give up prematurely!!

(LifeupOmega) #6

Team Fortress
Good matchmaking

Can I live in your world?

Outside of that, read this.

(Chris Mullins) #7

Ranked is definitely the core of the game and is by no means in its final form. There will never be a Ranked Season which is the same as the previous one as we’re constantly going to be making improvements and updates. “‘XYZ’ are all successful games and have big player bases because of their good gameplay along with good matchmaking”. The key thing here is the number of players, and as our player numbers increase, matchmaking will improve too.

(neverplayseriou) #8

unbalanced weapons and mercs will kill the game :smiley:

(bgyoshi) #9

You’re still complaining about patch up fixes that ultimately won’t make ranked better. The core problems still need to be addressed before ‘fixing’ Fletcher or nerfing Thunder will matter.

  1. 5v5 and 6v6+ do not balance together. Balanced 5v5 makes for severely imbalanced 6v6+, and balanced 6v6+ makes 5v5 strong mercs feel OP and weak mercs feel useless.
  2. Stopwatch mode is too long and people do not want to sit around for 30 minutes getting crushed. Stopwatch as a mode has to change to turn around games faster and seem less grueling. http://forums.dirtybomb.com/discussion/36739/why-isnt-stopwatch-just-objective-mode-twice
  3. Win/Loss is a bad metric to rank someone up and down. Individual metrics like overall weapon accuracy, K/D, playing the objective, revives, ammo/health supplying, and finishing also need to be taken into account for ranking up and down.

The only way to increase the amount of players in Ranked is to make Ranked more fun.

You can talk about ‘broken’ mercs all you want, but they’re not the problem. If they were, people wouldn’t be playing casual pubs either. People can stand the imbalanced mercs, what they can’t stand is a mode that isn’t fun.

Make ranked fun.

(hawkeyeguy99) #10

@stayfreshshoe said:
Ranked is definitely the core of the game and is by no means in its final form. There will never be a Ranked Season which is the same as the previous one as we’re constantly going to be making improvements and updates. “‘XYZ’ are all successful games and have big player bases because of their good gameplay along with good matchmaking”. The key thing here is the number of players, and as our player numbers increase, matchmaking will improve too.

I guess I just don’t understand why we can’t make a system for our playerbase instead of the playerbase we wish we had. I have admittedly been a little harsh in the post, but every time I play ranked I end up not being able to play more than 2 matches because of how frustrating it is. Can the team please look at a system that fits the current playerbase?

(Cgz27) #11

@hawkeyeguy99 said:

@stayfreshshoe said:
Ranked is definitely the core of the game and is by no means in its final form. There will never be a Ranked Season which is the same as the previous one as we’re constantly going to be making improvements and updates. “‘XYZ’ are all successful games and have big player bases because of their good gameplay along with good matchmaking”. The key thing here is the number of players, and as our player numbers increase, matchmaking will improve too.

I guess I just don’t understand why we can’t make a system for our playerbase instead of the playerbase we wish we had. I have admittedly been a little harsh in the post, but every time I play ranked I end up not being able to play more than 2 matches because of how frustrating it is. Can the team please look at a system that fits the current playerbase?

If we did that, a lot of people in Silver will end up Gold or Bronze depending on which they’re closer too adn they will be mad. Tbh when I get players that are bad I just laugh at how silly they are and the situation and think ah well maybe next time, but I never put them down or think SD isn’t doing their job.

(GatoCommodore) #12

thats why server browser is masterrace

can we get server browser ranked match?

also i find it funny on other game forum (R6 Siege) theres this guy who talk about the ranked mode will also kill the game (even when its not)

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(then the rest of the forum found out hes not a diamond player.)

we faced the same problem with other game that has 10x the size of DB playerbase?

goshdiddly dang!

(AlbinMatt) #13

The only thing that can kill DB is SD or us. If people love the game, and it has communal contribution support, any game is basically immortal.

There are still running GTA; San Andreas server to this day, and that game came out before I was in elementary.

Ranked certainly needs improvements, so does the meta balance, but I think our biggest gripes right now are technical stuff (EAC loads/crashes, getting stuck in loading acree, odd server placements, etc), or player related issues, such as leavers, throwers, and overall dicks.

(Diosito) #14

Actually, for some strange reason, it’s hard to love DB like I used to. I really, really try =/

Abbadon
Abaddon

(Pumpkiller) #15

I might be saying something dumb here since i’m tired, but rebalancing stuff might actually be the key to solving all of the major problems in ranked.

Because right now,the sole reason why most pepole don’t want to get in ranked is not because they’re being matched with pepole with 2 times their skill, it’s them abusing the heck out of god-tier mercs and weapons and then locking them out in spawn for the most part.

I wish i had a screenshot of my most recent match in ranked to prove my point,where my team was facing 3 fletchers,1 grandeur Redeye, and one Aura in underground. Just disgusting.

(FalC_16) #16

I still think that major issue of ranked is low population. Whats the point of ranked if I meet the same people over and over during prime time hours. Its like you jump in a match…oh hey it’s you again! For this reason even casual MM won’t work.

I came back to DB after a year because I got bored of other games I played…I still enjoy the gameplay…love the new skins and also the fact that I can actually grind those cases instead of relying on RNGesus…I’d love to see some supporting evidence that DB’s player base is increasing.