Where is DB going?

[Eox]

@Xenithos said:
As far as I knew, Dirty Bomb was never promised as an old school shooter, Lawbreakers was promised as a shooter going back to the roots. What Dirty Bomb WAS promised as was a game that required and had a high skill ceiling, a game that had more emphasis on gun-play and personal player skill than the abilities themselves. It also helps that Splash Damage were the creators of Brink and ET:QW, which is why the movement set would more easily apply to so many. That’s why many of the abilities are also skill-based as well. Something as simple as a heartbeat sensor has a huge difference in skill in just throwing it somewhere the enemy can’t destroy it, while still being useful and scanning enough enemies to make a difference for your team’s awareness.

As long as they keep this approach, the game is fun, and I sadly will admit alongside meerkats that certain things that have been added lately do take away some of the level of personal skill and gunplay. But I would also say they’d been doing this along time ago. If you remember when Nader, Phantom, and Redeye came out (roughly between those 3 months) the game was full of Burst rifle mayhem and these new players were coming out with spammy. It’s not just a recent thing. And as long as skill is involved with the abilities, then the abilities will become less meaningful.

That’s why cooldowns exist, why you can’t just spam every ability, why medics are so awesome in DB, because their skill is rarely just for personal gain, why hip-fire is so short, etc.

Their game was meant to be a competitive game where you can make friends. I’m still making friends, and as long as there isn’t crazy merc stacking (2 stokers or guardians, etc) or player stacking (6 level 50+ versus 4 level 1-9s) on either side the game is still tons of fun, regardless of what mercs are being played. That’s what I bought into, and it’s still being delivered on for the most part. Their are improvements to be made for sure, but I believe that Splash Damage will get to them.

It’s really refreshing to see some positivity for once. DB remains a game about skill to the core, and SD is far from being as clueless as they look, really.

Let’s just wait for Hunter release for now. Once Hunter will be out of developement hell, SD should have the time to work on all the polished stuff they want to release in order to adress the most concerning player issues for 1.0. You guys might get surprised.

[Begin2018]

@Xenithos : You feel like the game is currently competitive? :o
Personally, we just gang bang levels 1-30, and then they spam vote shuffle or they leave because they are spawn killed, there is absolutely no competition… It’s super hard for us to fill a server with only levels 40-300 and then get the competition feeling and all the fun.

The game had lots of potential, for sure. But they did nothing to highlight it.

[Xenithos]

@Begin2018 said:
@K1X455 : Exactly, that’s what I was looking for in this game too.
So I’m sorry, you were looking for a high skill team based game, where every merc pick affects team play, and you can make friends? No where in that video did they say that DB was an old style shooter. And… hold up, isn’t that what DB still is?

But it isn’t the case in Ranked. It isn’t the case in CMM. And we have to try to do it our-self in SB, trying to find high level players and kicking all noobs… Boring. And when we talk about this, the answer is “blabla CMM, blabla 1.0, blabla Marketing.” And nothing happen, the game is just going worse and worse… Because they never listen their HC players :
First off, if you’re searching games with high level players and kicking all noobs, you are an absolutely terrible person, you should be helping foster the community, looking to improve it, not getting rid of any chance for DB to continue growing. You’re part of the problem, not the solution. Instead of complaining about things that DB is trying to work on, trying to fix, why don’t you focus on contributing to the solution?
And I fail to see how Shoe’s very direct answer of the fact that the game was never supposed to be dedicated to Server browser, and that CMM with more players being added is ignoring the problem? If CMM is working and we bring old players back then the skill ceiling and matching aspect of CMM will match you with players of equal skill and to put things bluntly, you won’t be searching for the match or kicking players, DB will be doing that FOR you.

Also, claiming DB never listens to their HC players is a bold faced lie, they’ve been listening constantly. And if you really need me to point out every balance update, every exact number they’ve given, every single thing etc that they’ve done that is clearly listening to their HC players and other playerbase, then YOU are the one who’s blind.

Then sorry @stayfreshshoe, your game became so boring and you are so blind (maybe not you, but devs) that I don’t care about your 1.0 marketing. I’m not even sure the EV collision bug will be fixed in it lol. Dead game.
Personally from me to you, I want you gone. GTFO of here. If you’re gonna laugh at a game and call it dead that you spent 91 levels in, then I could really care less about what you think. If you want to uninstall, you want to leave, great. Don’t pull everyone else with you and insult people, and call them blind. I thought at first you were just another person who cared about the game and wanted the best for it, but your words now are saying to me otherwise.

[Xenithos]

@Begin2018 said:
@Xenithos : You feel like the game is currently competitive? :o
Personally, we just gang bang levels 1-30, and they spam vote shuffle or leave because they are spawn killed, there is no competition…

Speak for yourself. I usually help lower level players, will switch teams and call votes to rebalance, and often go and play in DBN matches with strict competitive 5v5s with merc limits whenever I get too frustrated at the chickens with their heads cut off. Splash Damage isn’t clueless, it’s often the playerbase that is.

And if you want competition, you’re looking for it in the wrong places. Go to the DBN Discord and get friendly with them. They’re great guys.

[Xenithos]

@Eox said:

@Xenithos said:
As far as I knew, Dirty Bomb was never promised as an old school shooter, Lawbreakers was promised as a shooter going back to the roots. What Dirty Bomb WAS promised as was a game that required and had a high skill ceiling, a game that had more emphasis on gun-play and personal player skill than the abilities themselves. It also helps that Splash Damage were the creators of Brink and ET:QW, which is why the movement set would more easily apply to so many. That’s why many of the abilities are also skill-based as well. Something as simple as a heartbeat sensor has a huge difference in skill in just throwing it somewhere the enemy can’t destroy it, while still being useful and scanning enough enemies to make a difference for your team’s awareness.

As long as they keep this approach, the game is fun, and I sadly will admit alongside meerkats that certain things that have been added lately do take away some of the level of personal skill and gunplay. But I would also say they’d been doing this along time ago. If you remember when Nader, Phantom, and Redeye came out (roughly between those 3 months) the game was full of Burst rifle mayhem and these new players were coming out with spammy. It’s not just a recent thing. And as long as skill is involved with the abilities, then the abilities will become less meaningful.

That’s why cooldowns exist, why you can’t just spam every ability, why medics are so awesome in DB, because their skill is rarely just for personal gain, why hip-fire is so short, etc.

Their game was meant to be a competitive game where you can make friends. I’m still making friends, and as long as there isn’t crazy merc stacking (2 stokers or guardians, etc) or player stacking (6 level 50+ versus 4 level 1-9s) on either side the game is still tons of fun, regardless of what mercs are being played. That’s what I bought into, and it’s still being delivered on for the most part. Their are improvements to be made for sure, but I believe that Splash Damage will get to them.

It’s really refreshing to see some positivity for once. DB remains a game about skill to the core, and SD is far from being as clueless as they look, really.

Let’s just wait for Hunter release for now. Once Hunter will be out of developement hell, SD should have the time to work on all the polished stuff they want to release in order to adress the most concerning player issues for 1.0. You guys might get surprised.

Honestly, thank you Eox. I’ve been tired of certain negativity from even my steam friends that play DB. I love Dirty Bomb, and have loved it from the first day I picked it up. I understand that games get old and people leave, that doesn’t mean the game itself is doomed or that SD is doing something wrong every single time a player leaves. Oftentimes it just means that the players thought they were getting something different from a game, often something that was never promised either. Everyone of my IRL friends when they come over to my house enjoy playing DB, and they talk about it even when they’re not playing, and they’re not even that good. I’m not losing hope anytime soon, I have concerns here and there, but man do I love this game.

[Begin2018]

@Xenithos : just look the first picture of K1X455 video : “DIRTYBOMB COMPETITIVE TO THE CORE”. And now you say I was wrong to look for competition in the game? Lol

If you like to be a teacher, good for you, but sorry, I know no competitive game where low players have to play with high players. Except maybe Golf, because there is “handicap”.

DBN shouldn’t exist if the game was not broken and really competitive. Ranked is broken, that’s why DBN exist… And that’s not a good sign.

Then you are a casual player and enjoy to be casual. I have no problem with this. But sorry I’m not casual then yes, the current state of the game upset me since months. And please, stop to spam vote shuffle next time you play against people like us, it’s annoying.

About improving the game, I’m saying since months we need min level 30 servers. Nothing happen, then yes devs are blind (and it isn’t an insult).

If CMM is working
It isn’t working since it has been released.
Also, claiming DB never listens to their HC players is a bold faced lie, they’ve been listening constantly.
Sure, that’s why Javelin was so balanced when released! Good job on closed beta servers…
You’re part of the problem
No, only devs are responsible for the problems. If they release CMM while there isn’t enough player to work, it’s their fault, and only their fault.

I don’t know what you are talking about friends, I had lots of friends playing DB, they all stop because it became a big joke. Few of them (currently only one, the less skilled!) are still playing it but it became so unplayable that I don’t follow them anymore. Looking to my friend-list : PUBG, ARK, Warframe, PUBG, Rainbow Six Siege, Path of Exile, XCOM2… That’s what they are playing now because DB became casual and is far away from its roots.

[EDIT]: Oh, finally the only one still playing DB switched to DCS World! Lol

[n-x]

@Begin2018 could you please elaborate how you can play competitive when you play 7vs7 and 8vs8 which is an absolute spam fest and the most casual mode DB has to offer, at least imo?

[K1X455]

@Xenithos said:

First off, if you’re searching games with high level players and kicking all noobs, you are an absolutely terrible person, you should be helping foster the community, looking to improve it, not getting rid of any chance for DB to continue growing.

I only help noobs in CMM and in browsed games. I bash them in ranked when I get the opportunity. FFS, it really grinds my gear when they choose to be an engineer on Chapel Defence. And they even do that in Ranked as well so yeah… A good bashing is in order.

I learned how to play by doing the tutorial and I didn’t stop there. I looked up gameplay videos, listened to casts, etc. Gained a fair bit of knowledge of the game from doing so. If SD really wants the community to grow, make the game fair. If Asian players can get match servers, why can’t South Americans get one? Or how about Oceana players?

Don’t give me that: “game has low pop” crap.

@Xenithos said:

Also, claiming DB never listens to their HC players is a bold faced lie, they’ve been listening constantly. And if you really need me to point out every balance update, every exact number they’ve given, every single thing etc that they’ve done that is clearly listening to their HC players and other playerbase, then YOU are the one who’s blind.

Did you know that I have formally reported a problem in the bug megathread four times? And I got a response along the lines of : We’ll fix it when we’re not too busy.

[Xenithos]

@Begin2018 said:
@Xenithos : just look the first picture of K1X455 video : “DIRTYBOMB COMPETITIVE TO THE CORE”. And now you say I was wrong to look for competition in the game? Lol
I never said that. I said you’re doing it wrong, and looking for it in the wrong places. DBN has what you’re looking for in DB, stopwatch matches where you kick players that you feel are worse than you isn’t. Also, why would I say you’re wrong to look for competition when I just got done saying this:

@Xenithos said:
Their game was meant to be a competitive game where you can make friends. I’m still making friends, and as long as there isn’t crazy merc stacking (2 stokers or guardians, etc) or player stacking (6 level 50+ versus 4 level 1-9s) on either side the game is still tons of fun, regardless of what mercs are being played. That’s what I bought into, and it’s still being delivered on for the most part. There are improvements to be made for sure, but I believe that Splash Damage will get to them.

…and this:

@Xenithos said:
Speak for yourself. I usually help lower level players, will switch teams and call votes to rebalance, and often go and play in DBN matches with strict competitive 5v5s with merc limits whenever I get too frustrated at the chickens with their heads cut off. Splash Damage isn’t clueless, it’s often the playerbase that is.
“strict competitive” as in even more competitive than normal, and what I said specifically to you, don’t take this out of context, was:
And if you want competition, you’re looking for it in the wrong places. Go to the DBN Discord and get friendly with them. They’re great guys.
Dirty Bomb has a ranked mode, that cannot in it’s current state, be realistically played with the expectation of an actual competitive feel. I’m telling you that Splash Damage is trying to fix this with the 1.0 release of DB. And that they are currently only adding things in to ranked season 4 so that when they release season 5 with the new playerbase it IS more competitive.

Slow down, read what’s actually being said to you.

@Begin2018 said:
If you like to be a teacher, good for you, but sorry, I know no competitive game where low players have to play with high players. Except maybe Golf, because there is “handicap”.
I know many competitive games where low players have to play with high players because it’s the only way to actually get good. What are you even on about? Also, to repeat myself again, the only reason you have to play with them right now is because of the low playerbase. If you would have any level of faith in the devs at all, 1.0 will literally fix this problem.
DBN shouldn’t exist if the game was not broken and really competitive. Ranked is broken, that’s why DBN exist… And that’s not a good sign.
DBN exists solely for the ability to start matches, to get players in, as well as host the tournaments. The game they still use to do this with, IS Dirty Bomb. With servers that have the same exact rules as ranked mode. So actually, the game itself isn’t broken, ranked isn’t broken, we just don’t have a consistent active playerbase, which hopefully 1.0 fixes. Also, if you go to DBN you’ll often have a hard time getting the full 10 players there too these days. So… that says even more.
Then you are a casual player and enjoy to be casual. I have no problem with this. But sorry I’m not casual then yes, the current state of the game upset me since months. And please, stop to spam vote shuffle next time you play against people like us, it’s annoying.
I’m not completely sure, but maybe what you actually need to do, is take a break until 1.0. Many players are doing this, such as @TheStrangerous because it’s simply smart to do so.

Also, I don’t enjoy playing casual for the sake of playing casual. I play it because it fixes my daily Dirty Bomb playing needs and I usually get followed by 3-6 people that play the game fairly well and the matches are balanced enough… If you see how I play in casual as well you’d never call me casual. When I get on my brother’s or father’s accounts on DB to get them their daily rewards I have people wondering if I’m a smurf, and one person said “this guy is NOT level 12. He’s got to be at least 50+” So what you’ve resorted to doing is actually somewhat insulting.

About improving the game, I’m saying since months we need min level 30 servers. Nothing happen, then yes devs are blind.
… your logic is surely dizzying. Shoe just explained the goal was to move away from server browsers into CMM. He also explained this is why they aren’t working on adding features or returning features back to the Server Browser.

If CMM is working
It isn’t working since it has been released.
I’m sorry, it isn’t working solely because we lack the playerbase, which was IN my sentence. You’re taking what I’m saying out of context, yet again.

Also, claiming DB never listens to their HC players is a bold faced lie, they’ve been listening constantly.
Sure, that’s why Javelin was so balanced when released! Good work on closed beta servers…
Let me run something by you. Many of the players that played against her in closed beta felt she wasn’t that OP. These were Hardcore players, some of the veterans from when DB was a harder skill based game. We’re talking SaganOnRoids level skill here. These players felt she wasn’t OP because THEY could deal with her. The fact that you believe sarcastically that she “was so balanced when released” and being a jerk to the team that you aspire to be a part of, is to me: laughable. To them, she was just barely OP, because they had the aim to shut her down before her rockets fired. SD also wanted to simply output content, which is why we are in a beta anyway. You actually succeed in making yourself look bad. Most of the players with any level of competence just wanted the majority of her insta gibbing removed and a longer charge time to fire her rocket. Both have been given as well as a speed reduction. So… Splash Damage IS listening. Duh.

[Begin2018]

@n-x said:
@Begin2018 could you please elaborate how you can play competitive when you play 7vs7 and 8vs8 which is an absolute spam fest and the most casual mode DB has to offer, at least imo?
Because there is always some noobs remaining, then if you count only people who know the game, it’s 5v5… While in ranked, if there is some noobs in the team, it’s dead. Anyway, 7v7 and 8v8 with only good players is still more competitive than anything else (CMM and Ranked).

Only levels 50-300 in one server is way more balanced, fun and competitive than I ever saw in Ranked or CMM.

Xenithos said:
[…] the only reason you have to play with them right now is because of the low playerbase.
No, it’s because of devs. We could easily fill multiple servers with only players 30+. They are here, just not in the same server because there is actually no way provided by DEVS to enforce this. It would take literally 10 minutes for SD to push 7 or 8 min level 30 or 40 servers in Europe-West. Instead of this, they closed the [AIE] server lol.

Otherwise, it’s not because I disagree with you that I’m out of context… You are just repeating the “official” speech. I already know it. By the way, maybe they are still listening the remaining HC players, the problem is 95% of them already left. Same thing about streamers, or big youtuber. At this time, there is 4 random people streaming on Twitch. They were way more in 2015 and less random. That’s probably because the game became awesome and competitive in its core!

@K1X455 said:

Excellent

[Xenithos]

@K1X455 said:

@Xenithos said:

First off, if you’re searching games with high level players and kicking all noobs, you are an absolutely terrible person, you should be helping foster the community, looking to improve it, not getting rid of any chance for DB to continue growing.

I only help noobs in CMM and in browsed games. I bash them in ranked when I get the opportunity. FFS, it really grinds my gear when they choose to be an engineer on Chapel Defence. And they even do that in Ranked as well so yeah… A good bashing is in order.
If they’re playing Ranked I full well expect you to bash them. That’s what I do. I was saying that if you’re in a CMM or server browser and your first hope is to start kicking noobs as @Begin2018 claimed then THAT is wrong. Continue doing you @K1X455
I learned how to play by doing the tutorial and I didn’t stop there. I looked up gameplay videos, listened to casts, etc. Gained a fair bit of knowledge of the game from doing so. If SD really wants the community to grow, make the game fair. If Asian players can get match servers, why can’t South Americans get one? Or how about Oceana players?
Don’t give me that: “game has low pop” crap.
Good point. Pretty sure SD has also said they’d love to get more servers out for them, and there was an issue with the SA servers a while back. I’m saying for his complaint about “not competitive” being a low population point. I’m not talking about problems of regions, but solely about the reason why ranked (the actual competitive mode of DB) isn’t played. And THAT, is due to low playerbase. It’s not crap, it’s a fact.

@Xenithos said:

Also, claiming DB never listens to their HC players is a bold faced lie, they’ve been listening constantly. And if you really need me to point out every balance update, every exact number they’ve given, every single thing etc that they’ve done that is clearly listening to their HC players and other playerbase, then YOU are the one who’s blind.

A few things, first, what you posted in that picture is very well described and quite valid. Second, I call attention to the word “never” which is the exact same word that @Begin2018 used. Which I also used in my response to him. Third, I never claimed that Splash Damage has problems doing exactly what we ask for, or that they don’t listen sometimes. In fact, my posts have clearly shown that I don’t exactly like everything they do, and I even said this:

Honestly, thank you Eox. I’ve been tired of certain negativity from even my steam friends that play DB.
I understand that games get old and people leave, that doesn’t mean the game itself is doomed or that SD is doing something wrong every single time a player leaves.
Oftentimes it just means that the players thought they were getting something different from a game, often something that was never promised either.
Both of these are showing that it’s certain negativity I’m not fond of, and it’s the whole “Sd does NOTHING right” that I’m against.
I have concerns here and there, but man do I love this game.
^^^^

Did you know that I have formally reported a problem in the bug megathread four times? And I got a response along the lines of : We’ll fix it when we’re not too busy.
Gosh, I agree dude. Do you know how many times I’ve reported the issue with FOV slider changes being done in-game causes issues with the aspect ratio and rendering percentage sliders from outside that options menu? Or what about the number of times I asked about a fix for the different options settings that started causing server hitching with the MOFO update?! Do you know that we’ve already complained about Proxy Mine’s not exploding from explosions? Do you know that we’ve been complaining about the EV hitbox since literally alpha? SD has ignored or “not listened” to us in the sense of these issues aren’t fixed. But they HAVE addressed them. That’s the point I’m making. They’ve addressed the fact that “yes, these are issues that need to be fixed” instead of “screw you, no comment” Which, actually, now that I think about it, I’m not sure they’ve ever addressed the aspect ratio and rendering percentage slider’s bug. 100% agree with what you’re saying, I disagree with the word “never” and the word “listen” because they do listen, just not everything is the highest priority (to them).

[Xenithos]

Oh, @K1X455 One more thing. Not every player wants jumping accuracy reduced. I’d rather be able to as long as the skill is there, jump off walls and kill everything easily still, even if it’s not realistic. But yeah, many have complained about that, but at least to how I see it, and likely SD sees it: 99% of the time the reason they complain about that is because the main contributing problem to it was bunny-hopping shotguns. So maybe they should just reduce accuracy or not allow shotguns to be fired in mid-air or something.

There have been several changes that make no sense to me. I honestly don’t love the Sparks changes, the sniper changes etc, that’s why we’re supposed to be vocal about them. My only problem is that @Begin2018 used the words “never” and “listen” which is what I called a bold-faced lie. They don’t ALWAYS listen either. Two negatives don’t make a positive. Showing a positive also doesn’t equal “always positive” from a situation either.

[Xenithos]

@Begin2018 said:

@n-x said:
@Begin2018 could you please elaborate how you can play competitive when you play 7vs7 and 8vs8 which is an absolute spam fest and the most casual mode DB has to offer, at least imo?
Because there is always some noobs remaining, then if you count only people who know the game, it’s 5v5… While in ranked, if there is some noobs in the team, it’s dead. Anyway, even if there is 7 or 8 good players, it’s still more competitive than anything else.

Only levels 50-300 in one server is way more balanced, fun and competitive than I ever saw in Ranked or CMM.
I think you missed the point of both @n-x and myself. If it’s 7v7 or 8v8, that’s not competitive, that’s just a difference of skill between players. DB was designed as a 5v5 and sometimes 6v6 game. Where each and every player’s individual skill combine to make a team versus another team. What you’re claiming would make “more competitive” wouldn’t make it more competitive, it would just mean you die more and they die more, because equal skill levels are in the same server. Defense always gets easier the more players there are IF skill levels are the same on each side. That’s why the game is supposed to be a 5v5, and that’s also why SD balances around 5v5. That’s why the MOA has 5 rounds in it. Etc.

Xenithos said:
[…] the only reason you have to play with them right now is because of the low playerbase.
No, it’s because of devs. We could easily fill multiple servers with only players 30+. They are here, just not in the same server because there is actually no way provided by DEVS to enforce this.
I’m really tired of you taking what I say out of context. I just got done saying that the only way for the lower level players to really learn is to be grouped with the higher players, and that there was more than just the “30 min servers can be done we have players for it” (which is essentially what you’re dwelling on here) in what I said. I said there was a reason for them not doing it yet, because they’re moving away from server browser. Sure, what might make a game more fun now (for YOU), doesn’t mean it’s the best decision for the long run for everyone.
Otherwise, it’s not because I disagree with you that I’m out of context… You are just repeating the “official” speech. I already know it.
I know the official speech, I’m glad you know it, maybe you should stop judging it and figure out why. Because to me it’s pretty obvious why that’s the official speech because it makes fudging sense.

[Begin2018]

That’s your point of view, not mine. Let’s see what happen at 1.0. But currently the game is garbage (sure, because there isn’t enough player…).
Just a LAST thing, you should learn to edit post, it’s annoying to have the same person posting 3 times in a raw and not very “forum compliant”. You talk a bit alone, and my point of view is for SD, not for you anyway.

[Xenithos]

@Begin2018 said:
That’s your point of view, not mine. Let’s see what happen at 1.0. But currently the game is garbage (sure, because there isn’t enough player…).
Just a LAST thing, you should learn to edit post, it’s annoying to have the same person posting 3 times in a raw and not very “forum compliant”. You talk a bit alone, and my point of view is for SD, not for you anyway.

I know how to edit posts, and if you look at them you would see I’ve edited almost every post I’ve posted here. I even have… “special editor” underneath my name because I have a very specific job I do on these forums and know how to edit posts…

You’re already being a jerk, so if you’re going to try and tell me to do things I already know how to do, then get this: I know forum etiquette, and putting all those posts together would have been absurd. I was talking to different people, referencing different conversational points. The least you could do is at least learn to spell things correctly, use the correct words, and read entire posts before YOU post as well.

One last edit: Since you need to see I can edit: It’s fine to have an opinion (or as you call it, your own view), but if your opinion is wrong (or even right, rofl) people are going to comment. That’s all I’ve done.

[Melinder]

@Begin2018

I don’t like to pinpoint particular people, but you and people with a similar mindset really are what destroyed Dirty Bomb.

[Begin2018]

@Melinder : Lol? You must be confused, I’m not working at Splash Damage. But I agree with you, DB is currently destroyed.

[Melinder]

@Begin2018 said:
@Melinder : Lol? Sorry you make a mistake, I’m not working at Splash Damage.

Your whole agenda is to push DB away from what it was designed for - a competitive game. You want Server Browser / 8 vs 8 enhancements, when the “vets” you also describe that you support and are apart of yourself have tried to rid the game of this mode for such a long time.

[Begin2018]

Looks like you doesn’t know the gaming world very well. HC gamers and modders LOVE server browser and dedi servers. I’m not even requesting dedi servers, just… Min level servers, to be able to play with some competitive feeling, or at least in acceptable condition, until they magically fix everything else.

“Splash Damage started out as a closely knit mod team, […]”. Then they probably understand what I’m talking about. But dedi server is a whole different topic. NTAutority would be lots of more precious than SD to get this in Dirty Bomb lol. Some years ago, this guy literally hacked the netcode and client of CoD MW2, CoD MW3 and CoD BO II (maybe I forgot some) to add dedi server and modding features ^^. Hum, maybe should I suggest it to him…

[GatoCommodore]

The real problem is this generation becoming too much of a defeatist and doesnt man up.

Also kiddies love instant gratification so they will need instant free cases (login reward, free golden case ect.), instant kill (sniper), cheese mercs (javelin, stoker, nader, proxy) and ect.

People complain about every mercs and when SD decide to realize the vision of what the game should be looks like people are mad because their other stuff did not metastasize into the patch.

SD doesnt take into account that those people who asked for changes in the first place is not even playing DB anymore (in a sense i kind of agree with @neverplayseriou ) or a brainlet

80% of DB player base is a brainlet, kids or even just straight new to FPS thats why democracy on what to change doesnt work.

the input of the competent 20% needs to weigh the same or more than those of 80% so the game keeps being fun and not broken.

and yes, @Melinder is right. People who has the same thinking as you ( @Begin2018 ) is probably what made dirty bomb slide to the abyss.

i do wish the view kick changes to be reverted because it just made the gunfight one sided at all ranges when fighting enemies that has rapid fire weapons like hochfir or hurtsall.

or at least remove on air spread because with the current view kick its just almost impossible to shoot at people while wall jumping when using guns like K-121