When is being able to form groups in non-comp games coming? Rejoin non-comp games after crash?

(Trendy Ideology) #1

These IMO are pretty pivotal features. I’m kinda getting sick of having to play “follow me into lobby and hope there’s room by the time I load in for you to follow me” with friends. And it’s getting really old that anytime anyone DCs, crashes, or now gets kicked by this overly aggressive anti-cheat or this “crash that tells you it’s a security violation” they can’t get back into their game because the spot can get filled instantly instead of having a grace period of a minute or so for them to boot the game back up and rejoin.

Also auto-join is worthless and doesn’t work, ever. :expressionless: that one might just be me though, no one else seems to have this issue.

(Backuplight) #2

Having a grace period for someone who has left to rejoin could pretty much ruin the game for those still playing, especially if multiple people end up leaving at the same time. I’d hate to be stuck in a 5v8 situation for a forced period of time just because someone else’s game crashed or they got disconnected.

Grouping is another issue entirely. I’m not necessarily against it, but the moment it gets added I can already see the flood of people complaining they had to play vs. a “clan” of friends. Allowing grouping sort of implies that the group will be immune to team shuffles, since they’ll have to be moved together or the whole point of a group system is made moot. Not really sure what to suggest, but from the sound of it they are planning a group system for casual, we’ll just have to see how it goes.

And yes, auto-join isn’t great. As far as I can see it just attempts a manual join every X seconds, when really it should work using a queue system.

(Amerika) #3

[quote=“Trendy Ideology;16671”]These IMO are pretty pivotal features. I’m kinda getting sick of having to play “follow me into lobby and hope there’s room by the time I load in for you to follow me” with friends. And it’s getting really old that anytime anyone DCs, crashes, or now gets kicked by this overly aggressive anti-cheat or this “crash that tells you it’s a security violation” they can’t get back into their game because the spot can get filled instantly instead of having a grace period of a minute or so for them to boot the game back up and rejoin.

Also auto-join is worthless and doesn’t work, ever. :expressionless: that one might just be me though, no one else seems to have this issue. [/quote]

Right now you can play with friends but it’s harder to pub stomp with friends. You might just want to play with a bunch of people who aren’t going to upset the balanced of games. But there are a LOT of people who will do this both intentionally and unintentionally. Also, I play with a group of people that revolves around a Twitch stream pretty often and tons of us, sometimes 10+, end up on the same server. The auto-join works just fine but people need to leave for it to work. You typically end up having the bet chance after a new game ends.

I believe the devs have said they are looking in to potentially adding something where you can get on a server with a few people but right now it pretty much works like any game made in the past 20+ years where you get on a server then your friends get on the server. So who knows.

(tulipRowboat) #4

If there is more than 3 of you, just get on an empty server and join the same side until 1 guy joins. After which you will murder him over and over every time he gets out of spawn, and you will have massive boners because of the sense of superiority you get from being a pre made group pub stomping. Isn’t that what most pre mades do in this game anyways?

(Trendy Ideology) #5

[quote=“Backuplight;69368”]Having a grace period for someone who has left to rejoin could pretty much ruin the game for those still playing, especially if multiple people end up leaving at the same time. I’d hate to be stuck in a 5v8 situation for a forced period of time just because someone else’s game crashed or they got disconnected.

Grouping is another issue entirely. I’m not necessarily against it, but the moment it gets added I can already see the flood of people complaining they had to play vs. a “clan” of friends. Allowing grouping sort of implies that the group will be immune to team shuffles, since they’ll have to be moved together or the whole point of a group system is made moot. Not really sure what to suggest, but from the sound of it they are planning a group system for casual, we’ll just have to see how it goes.

And yes, auto-join isn’t great. As far as I can see it just attempts a manual join every X seconds, when really it should work using a queue system.[/quote]

Having no way to rejoin your game when you get kicked out due to a crash or the overzealous anti-cheat is kinda ruining the game for those people, though, too, and that’s an absolute certainty, not a hypothetical. Grace period can be very simple. If they LEAVE, obviously no grace period. If they were idle, no grace period. If they were in the middle of shooting shit and they appeared to DC or crashed, give them 30 seconds to make a connection to the server, if they meet that cutoff (it means they relaunched the game immediately) then extend the window long enough for them to reconnect.

Honestly I don’t know what lucky games you’re in but usually when someone leaves my games I’m just stuck 5v6 or 5v7 or whatever for the next 5 minutes until someone’s joined the game (too late to make a difference anyway). I’m not proposing a grace period for people who leave, I’m proposing that we stop penalizing people who were DC’d or crashed through no fault of their own.

Regarding groups, people already do what they can to end up on the same team as their friends, and it’s already happening, I think finding a better way to balance things or other creative workarounds is much more realistic and healthy versus telling people they can’t group up with their friends for casual play.

(Backuplight) #6

[quote=“Trendy Ideology;69427”]Having no way to rejoin your game when you get kicked out due to a crash or the overzealous anti-cheat is kinda ruining the game for those people, though, too, and that’s an absolute certainty, not a hypothetical.[/quote]Agreed, but fixing the cause of any crashes/the current AC kick problem should be how we fix that.

[quote=“Trendy Ideology;69427”]…they can’t get back into their game because the spot can get filled instantly[/quote]Of course, both can happen. I just think a grace period is unnecessary for casual mode. Happy to agree to disagree, of course.

[quote=“Trendy Ideology;69427”]Regarding groups, people already do what they can to end up on the same team as their friends, and it’s already happening, I think finding a better way to balance things or other creative workarounds is much more realistic and healthy versus telling people they can’t group up with their friends for casual play.[/quote]Agreed. This is a tricky issue imo. I’m not the type to be put off of a game just because there’s a handful of clan tags on the other team, but a game I was in yesterday had multiple people flip out just because some friends were trying to get on the same team. As it happens, the game was among the most balanced I’ve seen in a while, but I do wonder how well solo players are going to react to getting teamed up against what feels like a structured team when they’re trying to play casuals. That said, if a group of friends is playing together and they haven’t bothered with a tag, I suppose nobody will be any the wiser on either team.

(Amerika) #7

[quote=“Trendy Ideology;69427”][quote=“Backuplight;69368”]Having a grace period for someone who has left to rejoin could pretty much ruin the game for those still playing, especially if multiple people end up leaving at the same time. I’d hate to be stuck in a 5v8 situation for a forced period of time just because someone else’s game crashed or they got disconnected.

Grouping is another issue entirely. I’m not necessarily against it, but the moment it gets added I can already see the flood of people complaining they had to play vs. a “clan” of friends. Allowing grouping sort of implies that the group will be immune to team shuffles, since they’ll have to be moved together or the whole point of a group system is made moot. Not really sure what to suggest, but from the sound of it they are planning a group system for casual, we’ll just have to see how it goes.

And yes, auto-join isn’t great. As far as I can see it just attempts a manual join every X seconds, when really it should work using a queue system.[/quote]

Having no way to rejoin your game when you get kicked out due to a crash or the overzealous anti-cheat is kinda ruining the game for those people, though, too, and that’s an absolute certainty, not a hypothetical. [/quote]

It isn’t due to the AC being overzealous. It’s due to it being new and them trying to work the bugs out. They are VERY ACTIVE on the bug section of the forums trying to get information to squash bugs like this. So the grace period you are asking for won’t be needed pretty shortly.

(Trendy Ideology) #8

[quote=“Amerika;69437”][quote=“Trendy Ideology;69427”][quote=“Backuplight;69368”]Having a grace period for someone who has left to rejoin could pretty much ruin the game for those still playing, especially if multiple people end up leaving at the same time. I’d hate to be stuck in a 5v8 situation for a forced period of time just because someone else’s game crashed or they got disconnected.

Grouping is another issue entirely. I’m not necessarily against it, but the moment it gets added I can already see the flood of people complaining they had to play vs. a “clan” of friends. Allowing grouping sort of implies that the group will be immune to team shuffles, since they’ll have to be moved together or the whole point of a group system is made moot. Not really sure what to suggest, but from the sound of it they are planning a group system for casual, we’ll just have to see how it goes.

And yes, auto-join isn’t great. As far as I can see it just attempts a manual join every X seconds, when really it should work using a queue system.[/quote]

Having no way to rejoin your game when you get kicked out due to a crash or the overzealous anti-cheat is kinda ruining the game for those people, though, too, and that’s an absolute certainty, not a hypothetical. [/quote]

It isn’t due to the AC being overzealous. It’s due to it being new and them trying to work the bugs out. They are VERY ACTIVE on the bug section of the forums trying to get information to squash bugs like this. So the grace period you are asking for won’t be needed pretty shortly.[/quote]

Conversely there’s no harm in having it if the issues that cause it are fixed, it’ll never get used/be needed.

The problem is I don’t buy that this type of stuff will ever be 100% fixed for everyone, so, better to have it and rarely need it, IMO.

I’m aware they’re working on the AC issues, which is great, it’s just not the only issue leading to someone losing their spot in the game, their credit for that game, etc. There’s still DCs and legit normal crashes to contend with.

(Jurmabones) #9
  1. You come across so bitter about people wanting to connect to servers with friends. Are you a huge noob madbad with no friends or what?
  2. You can’t join the same team if the other team has fewer players.
  3. People will just quit the server in 3v1 etc. scenarios. Besides which, you can’t force a team stack, the server would need to have a 3v3 etc. team count and then only the opposing team players could quit. Nothing a group of friends could create on their own.
  4. Since when is it wrong for friends to play games together?
  5. Since when is wanting to win wrong?
  6. Since when is a group of friends automatically a “premade”? You say this as if the very fact of them being friends on the same team means they automatically win or something.

Seriously, what’s with people having all these disgusting and backwards sentiments towards playing with friends or wanting to win?