What is up with damage?

(PillowTalk) #1

It seems that the most used SMG is the Carb-9.

I don’t know what the deal is with this gun, but for other people it kills really damn quick, without headshots/nutshots and all while just being sprayed randomly.

I use the thing, and I shoot at head level and even though I am hitting a target, their health barely goes down. If I use the Kross, though, it deals much more damage than what I see using the Carb-9, but it still doesn’t kill people in the 2-3 shots I am seeing others get with the Carb-9.

I’ve even gone 1 on 1 with a friend; I’m engineer he’s soldier, I have improved weapon buff, buff my gun, and he still ****ing is able to kill me in a small burst of the Carb-9 while my shots are doing negligible damage to him.

Now, I’m not saying it’s doing 1 shot kills. It feels more like being hit 2 or 3 times, but that’s it. A small burst from the Carb-9, hitting my torso or legs, drops me like a sack of potatoes. I use the same controlled burst, shooting the torso and head and it either is completely ineffective, or it’s just not dropping their health as much as I feel like I’m being taken down.’

It doesn’t matter what body type I use, or how well buffed I am in the health and armor department, I’m always killed by the Carb-9 in 1 short burst.

(crazyfoolish) #2

It’s a conspiracy. Splash Damage doesn’t like you.:wink:

(Protector) #3

I used the carb 9 and wasn’t massively impressed with it… I now use the Bulpdaun & Sea Eagle combo both with extended mags, now they rip!

(PillowTalk) #4

F-that. Give me God mode. :stuck_out_tongue:

(Jamieson) #5

I personally favour the Kross SMG for my light soldier, The Carb-9 is a powerful weapon but the Kross is more accurate and therefore more effective at medium range. Don’t get me wrong the Carb-9 is a good weapon but my personal preference is the Kross.

(felismenari) #6

The Carb-9 has the highest damage among SMGs, but it’s accuracy is less than all of the others except for the Tampa. I tried to like it, but I much prefer the accuracy of the other SMGs over the extra damage the Carb-9 has.

(raib) #7

Carb-9 doesn’t have that much more spread if you release mouse1 every now and then, while doing assault rifle level damage. Pretty much tied with Kross for best gun in the game.

(fearlessfox) #8

Dmg > Acc if you can learn to compensate for the lack of accuracy, imo. High accuracy just feels like easy mode without benefits to me.

(Rally) #9

Your problem is you are aiming for the head, as odd as that sounds. Weapons do not fire dead accurate like you find in CoD and games like that. Though you might be pointing at his head, only one shot might be hitting him while the rest fly harmlessly by him.

Try arming for center mass, their chest. At close range that will be mostly body shots with a few headshots to up your damage a bit. Remember, iron sighting doesnt make that crosshair circle a tiny dot, it just makes it a slighty more small circle that you cant see. To understand about how accurate your gun is while ironsighting, crouch and hold down the trigger with out moving. That will give you a good idea about where your bullets will be going when looking down the sights.

(Rally) #10

Someone with a skilled shot can turn most of those shots into headshots. Each gun has advantages over others and will suit people differently. Some will enjoy the accuracy of the Bulpdaun, yet other will like the damage of the Carb-9, and other will hate the SMGs and go for the range of the ARs. It all depends on how you play.

(KAS--Will) #11

True, the CARB-9 is one of the best if not (personally) the best SMG. However, I see a variety of people using the Kross, which isn’t bad either… but I used to use the Bulpdaun a lot more… but now honestly, since I’ve been turned onto the CARB-9 thanks to a friend, I haven’t gone back to any other SMG… however the Tampra is really good too.

(Rally) #12

Their all good, it just depends what suits you best.

Honestly, my side arm is the Sea Eagle, and I play as a medium. Its quick to switch to, and does a lot of damage at all ranges. I have to make the shots count, but I usually do.

(raib) #13

Tbh I’d like to see spread tweaked to something more CS-esque so that the first 1-3 shots out of a burst are always more or less dead on accurate. At least with ironsights, although I dislike that concept. Less lucky headshots, magical misses and general BS.

(Shadowcat) #14

I like CARB-9 as a medium range SMG and Kross as a short range SMG.

(Rally) #15

Not really, they both have awful range. One is more accurate, the other does more damage.

(Thatgingerkid) #16

[QUOTE=Rally;315481]Their all good, it just depends what suits you best.

Honestly, my side arm is the Sea Eagle, and I play as a medium. Its quick to switch to, and does a lot of damage at all ranges. I have to make the shots count, but I usually do.[/QUOTE]

I play medium as well and I use either the sea eagle or the Caesar/Ritchie depending on my mood for the night.
Sure some don’t think its a good as an smg, but with the delay in shots being more than enough time for accuracy to partially reset, I can pull off a double-tap and have both rounds on target at CQC range.
From either pistol that’s enough to take out a full health light with some extra breathing room just in case. Works for mediums too if the have a lil damage on them first. Heavy’s, however, require the triple-tap…and there’s a reason that one is not as well known. Only works if u start aiming about crotch level and keep pulling down.
On a side not, heavy’s don’t like me very much :smiley:
Edit: (Forgot to actually contribute to the thread instead of rambling)
As said earlier, don’t aim for the head, aim for about the center of their sternum(middle of chest) for the best results. This results in rounds hitting a larger target, as well as the recoil driving rounds up closer to the head for a lucky headshot or 2.

(PillowTalk) #17

[QUOTE=Rally;315474]Your problem is you are aiming for the head, as odd as that sounds. Weapons do not fire dead accurate like you find in CoD and games like that. Though you might be pointing at his head, only one shot might be hitting him while the rest fly harmlessly by him.

Try arming for center mass, their chest. At close range that will be mostly body shots with a few headshots to up your damage a bit. Remember, iron sighting doesnt make that crosshair circle a tiny dot, it just makes it a slighty more small circle that you cant see. To understand about how accurate your gun is while ironsighting, crouch and hold down the trigger with out moving. That will give you a good idea about where your bullets will be going when looking down the sights.[/QUOTE]

I actually aim at the top of the chest and try to use the recoil and spread to get up to the head.

I know when I miss, since I don’t get the red flashes on my crosshair; every shot could hit him while my red dot right on their head, but it does very little damage.

I also find that I get a lot of headshots spraying into people’s feet; not nutshots, but actual headshots. Yet I never get headshot kills even when I snipe and kill people in a single hit to their head with the barret :confused: I see this a LOT when sniping from the balcony on Security Tower as Sec into the Resistance spawn area.

I should mention that I have also noticed that the amount of bullets in a spray can do some weird things to damage. The Bauldpawn (sp?) for examle, if you fire single shots does almost nothing. 3 shot bursts? You’ll do a little bit more. 5 Shots? Too much. Now you’re doing damage like 1 shot. But a 4 shot burst? Takes out half their health. It’s not the spread acting funnny; I can see every shot hitting in all instances, and I have found that the burst pattern of the guns can affect damage in strange ways.

Try it yourself. Just use different amounts of spray at people with different guns and see that some patterns of burst fire do more damage than others, and often in ways that don’t make sense such as 5 shots that all hit doing less damage than 4 shots that all hit.

(Shadowcat) #18

Well, the Bulpdaun is the most accurate of the SMGs, but i find its damage dissapointing. The CARB-9 is the SMG that i can make people drop with the quickest at any range other than close, so its my “medium range SMG”

I’m not saying that its the best weapon in the game for that range, just that its the weapon i grab when i need an SMG with reach.