It’s occurred to me that the objective specialist class of mercs is the only class that has one clear favorite: Proxy. Sure people like Fletcher and Bushwhacker, but there’s an overwhelming amount of popularity for Proxy. This cant be said for medics, recon, fire support, or assault mercs. None of them have a clear favorite of the 4 offered, and I highly doubt Turtle will be so good that he can match Proxy with popularity.
So why is this? Well, I don’t really know. I’m not that smart, especially when it comes to things like game balancing. However, I know I’m not the only one who feels that Proxy is just too good. Not OP, just too good. But what could be changed to make the other objective specialists shine more? Well, I don’t think either Fletcher or Bushwhacker could be buffed in anyway that wouldn’t make them overpowered. I think Proxy could use a small nerf.
One tactic I see pretty much every Proxy player use is this:
Run towards enemy
Throw mine into them
3a) Run away and wait as the mine arms and instantly blows due to enemy’s proximity OR 3b) Jump back and shoot the unarmed mine so it explodes instantly OR 3c) Hope one of the enemy shoots the mine and takes out their teammates
???
Profit
Maybe it’s just be being an unskilled pleb, but I find this to be a very cheap strategy. I propose that a proximity mine should not explode unless it’s fully armed. That means enemies can get out of its blast radius before the Proxy is able to shoot it once it arms, as well as neutralize the mine without risking injury to themselves or their teammates (however they also risk not focusing on the Proxy who could easily kill them while they are distracted with the mine).
Please don’t flame this. I get that I usually don’t know what I’m talking about, but I’m throwing this out there in hopes it might start some discussion about why Proxy was able to win the ReV event so easily.
Proxy? Too good? She’s absolutely awful against good players who can aim and don’t die to mines. She’s a poor man’s Fletcher at her best, and the other two have far superior fire power and are much, much more useful in almost any scenario.
The reason she’s so popular is that she is EASY to play. You give a new player a shotgun, a machine pistol, and fire and forget mines and they will still kill people regardless of how well they can actually aim.
The only time she’s even close to being good is when a Proxy player knows how to abuse their mines so they can’t be detonated unless you walk near them, like clipping them inside of the Bridge last pickups and such.
Yeah, proxy is absolute garbage against someone who can aim, or someone who can listen for mines. The reason she’s so popular is that many people can’t do either of these, so anyone who plays proxy gets a bunch of cheap, easy kills, making her seem better than she is. If everyone that played DB was a little more skilled, Proxy would be absolutely useless.
Proxy is a newbie magnet, but she’s not used in competition for a reason. Short ranged in a mid-long ranged metagame, low hp, ability countered by awareness… The mine + shoot combo ? You can counter it just by backpedaling, and she would only be able to use it if she actually could get close, which is something extremely unlikely in such a ranged metagame (show up yourself, get a free burst fire headshot).
Alright. Never mind. Figured my idea was shit anyway since I’m shit at the game. Honestly don’t know why I bother making threads or commenting on what others say. :’(
The reason she’s so popular is because she’s a 30k Objective Specialist and SD for some reason didn’t just give her to players like Skyhammer and Aura. She was my very first merc purchase for the cheaper price and being an objective specialist in addition to having enjoyed playing as her as she had been in Free Rotation when I first started out.
Yeah like me. Cant use her for shit but can get easily taken out by someone who’s halfway decent with her. Sometimes I wonder why I bother playing this game, or any game for that matter.
TL:DR? Stop calling yourself stupid.
Your points are bleh.
It’s alright, proxy is just a loveable and fun merc.
Please, no nerfing or buffing unless completely necessary #Phantom#Thunder#Phantompleasebuff?
Person to criticize today, please don’t hate me. But you started this forum, so… I’m analyzing everything you say.
One clear choice? Sure, proxy. Favorite? Actually, no. Fletcher is pretty dang popular (before the event, he wasn’t played as much as proxy on average, but anyone playing the game for a while usually prefers fletcher over proxy in competitive, due to a higher hp pool), but he stayed behind and ate cake and watermelons when the barn door flew open.
[quote=“AnonOmis1000;28724”]So why is this? Well, I don’t really know. I’m not that smart, especially when it comes to things like game balancing. However, I know I’m not the only one who feels that Proxy is just too good. Not OP, just too good. But what could be changed to make the other objective specialists shine more? Well, I don’t think either Fletcher or Bushwhacker could be buffed in anyway that wouldn’t make them overpowered. I think Proxy could use a small nerf.
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M…kay. #1 - STOP CALLING YOURSELF STUPID! It’s not smart to do so on forums, and it doesn’t help your argument in ANY way. By calling yourself ignorant, you make yourself seem even more ignorant, despite if you have good points!
#2 - Proxy (as a character) isn’t TOO GOOD, she’s decent, but if you ever play competitively (ranked), on a bigger scale, almost no one takes her. Aim becomes too good down the line, so the low hp that she has becomes an incredible weakness. Also, the tactic I have analyzed below does NOT work about half the time, if not more on servers outside the low ones. Players just know proxy does this and they stop her. The time for proxy to throw down the mine, especially if she’s being stupid and charging me is more than enough time for me to put her down, walk away, and blow up her mine.
#3 - Also, please, do NOT talk about nerfing, or buffing, any objective specialist. They are all amazing at doing what they do. They all have good offensive prowess as well, despite the fact that they have the best buff in the game: being obj. specs.
[quote=“AnonOmis1000;28724”]One tactic I see pretty much every Proxy player use is this:
Run towards enemy
Throw mine into them
3a) Run away and wait as the mine arms and instantly blows due to enemy’s proximity OR 3b) Jump back and shoot the unarmed mine so it explodes instantly OR 3c) Hope one of the enemy shoots the mine and takes out their teammates
???
Profit[/quote]
Definitely pretty much every proxy player does use this, so no comments here. However: Running towards enemy? Not the smartest as proxy. Flanking is almost ALWAYS better.
Also, of COURSE proxies use their mines aggressively. Almost everyone knows this, so i’m not sure what your point in putting this out was. This move is in no way overpowered, or good. It’s just what Proxy was made to do. Crap, even in her role call video, and I even think one of her tips, it says she can shoot her mines to use them aggressively or make them explode early if she needs them to.
… See above, It’s not a cheap “strategy.” 1) …Because it’s not strategy, it simply IS PROXY.
2) People learn pretty quickly about this move, and learn to be smarter if the enemy is using proxy. 3) Your idea of having mines not explode until armed is like saying a keg of gun powder set on fire shouldn’t explode until the timer that was installed on it starts. If the powder is set on fire or shot, it’s going to explode, that’s its purpose…
4) also… why on earth would SD make it so that her mines, are avoidable to the point that they don’t get kills? She wasn’t given mines as area denial or as the equivalent of a color spray, harmless junk that distracts people. She was given mines to allow her to KILL PEOPLE.
… STOP DEMOTING YOURSELF. Despite everything I’ve told you, at least you took a look at things. Most people just read what others do and then complain.
If you want the answer to why Proxy won the ReV event (which was NOT easy for her, but in a way it was… (a ton of people literally swapped to stoker, not because Stoker would have been their choice, but simply because they didn’t want another obsidian for her, or for her to win))
The reason it could be said it was “easy” for her is just because she’s a fun and already HUGELY POPULAR merc. She’s one of the best to play for fun. Who wouldn’t want to play someone who has a great smile, taunts, does well at objectives, and can decently kill? She has a unique, fun, engaging play style. And tons of people already played her as a main character. In pubs she is one of the best. The fact that stoker got so close to beating her, is almost purely because people didn’t want her to win. DB is about having fun, not always utility and being competitive… so… Yay proxy for being fun!
During the event, I discarded 4 (yes, really, 4) proxy gamemode missions. I really wanted stoker to win. But honestly? Proxy isn’t terrible… And she is a card that I feel a big amount of players, not forum users, will be glad for.
Just give Bushwacker the ability to throw his turret at stuff; for example throwing the turret on ceilings or walls, hehe (of course this would need to be field tested for balance).
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Yeah like me. Cant use her for @$!# but can get easily taken out by someone who’s halfway decent with her. Sometimes I wonder why I bother playing this game, or any game for that matter.[/quote] I know that feel bruh, sometimes I wonder why I even get out of bed…
Well, I’m sure there are some people around here who can help you with improving in DB. Amerika comes to mind, he’s a wonderful guy who knows his stuff. If you can afford to record your own games and watch them back to see what’s going wrong. Also, it might just be your computer and such holding you back, I wouldn’t know, there’s way too many variables.
Anyway, hope you find what’s holding you back so you can continue on your road to glory.
With the whole Proxy mine spam tactic, it is quite easy to dodge, the simple thing to do is backpeddle whenever a Proxy gets close (which you should be doing anyway because she usually has a shotgun) by doing this if she throws down a mine you’re more than likely out of its range and furthermore have the ability to burst her down at a more suitable range.
I am aware that some of you may say that you can’t escape even when doing this so instead do the last thing they’d expect you to… Long jump (crouch + jump) towards them (more so past them) by long jumping you can quickly escape the blast of a Proxy mine and surprise said Proxy quite easily have them caught between you and your teammates leaving them trapped and destined to die.
Proxy isn’t very good but she is easy to pick up on for new players and also effective at pubstomping at the hands of someone more experienced. Kinda like how Rhino can grind through hordes of newbies but is generally considered worthless against more competent players.
ON THE CASE it SPECIFICALLY states that it can be opened after the event, there was an update this morning most likely to change the UI, but why not give us our cases??? THE EVENT IS OVER
It even says so IN THE STORE that the cases will be openable AFTER THE EVENT
looks at watchafter-event-o’clock My oh my look at the time
there was this match last night on terminal defense, and there were like 2 proksaes doing your kamikamine strat, and god damn it was fun just mowing them down as LMG thunder and finishing them off with their own mine
@Randomdeath You do understand the obsidian has to be actually made now? I fail to see how that was unclear; people play 5 weeks to “decide” (or be oblivious of the event) the most played merc, then devs make skin for that merc.
So, so sad stuff doesn’t immediately, right now, at this moment, appear out of thin air.
E: Nvm it looks like you finally even. Only after gettin’ threads locked by mods.
@AnonOmis1000 As others have said already, stop bashing yourself. Enough people will do so in the internet anyways so instead appreciate yourself. Self analyzing is different story altogether and something people should be doing.
[quote=“bontsa;177142”]@Randomdeath You do understand the obsidian has to be actually made now? I fail to see how that was unclear; people play 5 weeks to “decide” (or be oblivious of the event) the most played merc, then devs make skin for that merc.
So, so sad stuff doesn’t immediately, right now, at this moment, appear out of thin air.
E: Nvm it looks like you finally even. Only after gettin’ threads locked by mods.
@AnonOmis1000 As others have said already, stop bashing yourself. Enough people will do so in the internet anyways so instead appreciate yourself. Self analyzing is different story altogether and something people should be doing.[/quote]
man, was it impossible to make the cards for the last 4 mercs? or at least notice that proxy has lead for 80% of the week and make an obsidian there???
I regularly get upset at myself for being shit.