Wanting More

(Strifee) #1

I think as Alpha testers SD/DB is wanting us to provide information, good, bad, or even just things we personally like to see.

My biggest issue is how ideas / problems are addressed. Does SD have any implementation ideas on a more streamlined way to relate good information that could possibly be lost in all the posts on the forums? Just brainstorming, would it beneficial for the “community” to elect a few alpha representatives that would in turn meet with SD weekly, biweekly, or however it is felt necessary to meet, and review things that have been going on in the community. It would be the community that would need to elect these people and entrust that they would bring up all issues that are needing discussion. I like how Alpha is with the open forums, I just feel if we really want to be effective in actually helping this game become great, it needs to be fine tuned, and we really need to have those meetings with player leaders and SD in my opinion.

People overall seem pretty frustrated with changes and implementations that have taken place, that frankly seems that the community as a whole was not even considered or any of the previous “big” issues addressed. I am not bashing here, and I hope that we can keep this post respectful, but I would like to see the above take place, in hopes that the kindling of a relationship like this, would be quite unique which I think is what we are trying to accomplish as a whole with this game.

Thanks for your time in reading this,
Adam

(nailzor) #2

Skype based round table :slight_smile:

(Valdez) #3

really like this idea, but I do not see it happening. My nomination vote for a rep would be ImageOmega.

(Hundopercent) #4

I agree. He’s more patient and able to get a point across without sounding like an asshole. I’ve lost my patience with too many people in the Alpha already and slowly losing faith that SD can produce a quality product.

(INF3RN0) #5

I asked about something somewhat similar to this a few months ago, but Anti explained to me very well why this wouldn’t/couldn’t be allowed to happen. Best bet is to just keep posting on forum and pestering devs in game.

(Runeforce) #6

Yes, let’s create an “elite group” that has more influence then others! :frowning:

No thank you!

SD has serveral times reiterated that they read ALL POSTS. I’m not a fan of a community representatives at this time (and doubt that ever!) Give every man (or woman) the oppertunity speak for himself!

And if you had weekly representatives at SD meetings, how would you make sure they represented the “community” and not themselves? You can’t! Better to let SD be the judge of this.

In other words, I don’t think the “community” could elect representatives, that truly represents every oppinion and the dissent. This will just make things worse! Let’s trust the developers to listen!

Your suggestion sounds like a typical expression of “all hail the emperor(s) (or president(s)!, in which we Trust!)!” Bad Idea!

I don’t want people representing me, and I trust people to represent themselves!

(Although converging ideas are possible, our numbers does not require any sort of the idea you speak of.)

(Strifee) #7

[QUOTE=Runeforce;431895]Yes, let’s create an “elite group” that has more influence then others! :frowning:

No thank you!

SD has serveral times reiterated that they read ALL POSTS. I’m not a fan of a community representatives at this time (and doubt that ever!) Give every man (or woman) the oppertunity speak for himself![/QUOTE]

Pretty sure you missed the whole point of the post. For one, no one reads all posts, if anything they have perhaps had a collective read on all posts, but no one has sat here and read every post. Even if someone has, it would be almost impossible to decipher all the feedback given throughout all of these posts.

Again the “elite group” is just way off base. The way it works is that these people are in charged of delivering a message FROM the community to the developers, and work together. If you wanted your voice heard, you simply talk to the assigned delegate(s) and propose your reasoning in a formal fashion. The said delegate(s) would then be tasked with sharing that information if they have had enough shared interest/feedback concerning that same, or approximate relativity of the topic.

For instance if I complain about item (A) and am the only one, most likely this will never be heard, no matter how often I troll or spam the boards. However if item (A) is brought up a lot and backed up with intelligence it would be a possibility that would be discussed at the next round table. Then of course after these meetings, however they would be setup, there would be minutes taken (notes), which they would cast an overview synopsis of what was discussed.

(Strifee) #8

I would be interested in hearing the reasoning on why NOT to do this. The “best bet” method you just described is a counterproductive way to relay information.

Bottom line is, if they really want to be a game for gamers, they need to have an effective way of communicating to/from the community

(Hundopercent) #9

[QUOTE=Strifee;431902]I would be interested in hearing the reasoning on why NOT to do this. The “best bet” method you just described is a counterproductive way to relay information.

Bottom line is, if they really want to be a game for gamers, they need to have an effective way of communicating to/from the community[/QUOTE]

That’s just a marketing ploy to get PC gamers to take interest in the game. Once they start playing and their monitor starts physically erupting like a donkey is kicking the **** out of the back of their desk and players are lobbing vortex missiles that lay out 25% of the map for 30 seconds they’ll realize they just got Brink 2’d courtesy of SockDog, .5 Bananas, and Inferno.

(Bananas) #10

[QUOTE=strychzilla;431908]That’s just a marketing ploy to get PC gamers to take interest in the game. Once they start playing and their monitor starts physically erupting like a donkey is kicking the **** out of the back of their desk and players are lobbing vortex missiles that lay out 25% of the map for 30 seconds they’ll realize they just got Brink 2’d courtesy of SockDog, .5 Bananas, and Inferno.[/QUOTE]Can you please control your emotions and actions? The pointless targeting of people and hyperbolic posting is getting ridiculous.

(Runeforce) #11

You are missing the point of delegates. I want equal distribution of power. You are adding in an extra link, that disempowers the individual. IMO that is just crazy and asking for more trouble.

I get your idea…I just think it’s very bad!

(INF3RN0) #12

Uninstall button is right there waiting for you. Trying to find my Brink2 posts, but can’t… seem to… find… oh right there’s no aiming or skill involved in DB if medic isn’t the best solo combat class, makes sense now.

(INF3RN0) #13

In response to my proposal of a VOIP Dev Talk time. I thought he made it quite reasonably clear and it makes perfect sense to me.

Bottom line is, if they really want to be a game for gamers, they need to have an effective way of communicating to/from the community

It’d be something worth discussing with badman I think, we might be able to do a monthly one with one of the dev team. The problem is as the number of alpha/beta testers ramps up this is going to be incredibly hard to do, even with 20 fans on chatting to the devs it can become a real mess. Something like a regular streamed Q&A with questions that have been sent in beforehand would be best, where we just answer them ‘on the air’.

The other reason these group chats like this are not always that helpful is because players are, rightly, very passionate about the games they’re playing but they also often have very little idea of how development works and the business behind it. It means we cant always discuss some reasoning, or sometimes the fans don’t belief our honest reasons are genuine (there seem to be a lot of conspiracy theorists among gamers! ).

I’ve seen several companies try to do these kind of chats and have them result in some angry kid shouting at the devs because the player dislikes the fact the game takes time to make, or that the dev wont make the exact change the fan wants. That’s something you folks don’t want to see and the devs don’t want to go through, especially when they’re so busy. One guy in the Tribes Ascend community almost single-handedly ended all transparent debate between the community and the devs with an on stream rant, now all that discussion between community leaders and the devs happens behind very closed doors.

(iwound) #14

i think what they are doing now is adequate. we dont need more power if we had any.
a day out in london would be nice though.

(Smooth) #15

We’d much rather you all gave us feedback on actual implementations, rather than theory-crafting (for the lack of a better word) our ideas.

The Echo system also means we can get quantifiable data on changes we make, to see what you guys are actually doing as well as listening to what you are saying.

This is one of the main purposes of the closed alpha and the reason we added you guys. We can experiment with larger changes now and get feedback much more quickly than when we have a bigger player-base and a more finalised game.

(Dormamu) #16

I vote for Brother Joseph Chen as my Alpha representative.
!!!YES TO CHEN, NO TO MOKOENA!!!

(rookie1) #17

[QUOTE=Strifee;431842] …would it beneficial for the “community” to elect a few alpha representatives that would in turn meet with SD weekly, biweekly, or however it is felt necessary to meet, and review things that have been going on in the community
Thanks for your time in reading this,
Adam[/QUOTE]

Sound too employees/Boss type of meeting . imo
I think its an SD side thing…they(some designate guys) probably read/take notes/bring to SD table/Discuss/Accept or reject/process…

(tokamak) #18

I volunteer to regularly converge multiple threads on the same topic into singular threads so that the discussions remain coherent.

(SockDog) #19

OMG no! While it sounds simple on the surface I can’t see it being beneficial at all other than a good means to silence opinion through committee. If anything people are clearly earning an ear through their actual actions. Inferno for example is posting some really excellent feedback and opinion of many topics, he’s not emotional, he’s clear, open minded and very detailed.

@Tok
Some merge moderation (only) would be quite nice.

If I have to throw an idea out there I’d perhaps suggest some similar Community Question type posts get started by SD, this would allow focus on a specific topic or testing around a specific change.