Wanna get thunder to be better?


(Cuck) #1

i mean how can thunder be worse than 30k proxy in terms of room clearing ability?

https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-feel-like-to-be-affected-by-a-flashbang-grenade

quoting from the site,

"Firstly, you lose your vision. The flash of light
momentarily activates all sensory pigment in the retina, making vision
impossible for approximately five seconds until the eye restores the
pigment to its original, unstimulated state. Its like having someone take a picture with flash right in front of your eyes.
Secondly, your ears ring like a son-of-a-beetch for quite some time, depending on how much experience you have with bangers.
Thirdly, you stumble around looking like a drunk for a little while. the concussion causes a spike in pressure disturbing the fluid in the semicircular canals of the ear. These canals consist of three half circles of tubing, each oriented in one of the three planes of motion, that are filled with saline. The motion of this fluid is detected by small hairlike cilia that line the walls of the canals. This is how we sense balance, so you can see how a spike in pressure would damage these cilia.
Fourthly, you have a generally concussed feeling. As if you had been punched in the face, fallen on your head, or perhaps had a large explosion happen right next to you.

In other words, it can be quite disorienting. As is the designers expressed aim.
The up shot of life in close proximity to Bangers is that, for better or worse, the more you are expossed to them, the easier they are to handle. One can, over time, become desensitized to the resulting “Flash” and “Bang”

in dirty bomb?
it just like a flash of light and you can still hear everything and be able to shoot after the screen returns.

still havent do justice for a merc like thunder. poor thunder.

quoting from wikipedia,

"[i]The flash produced momentarily activates all photoreceptor cells in the eye, making vision impossible for approximately five seconds, until the eye restores itself to its normal, unstimulated state. An afterimage will also be visible for a considerable time, impairing the victim’s ability to aim with precision. The loud blast is meant to cause temporary loss of hearing, and also disturbs the fluid in the ear, causing loss of balance.

The concussive blast of the detonation can still injure, and the heat created can ignite flammable materials such as fuel. The fires that occurred during the Iranian Embassy siege in London were caused by stun grenades.[/i]"

come on sd, you can do better.


(watsyurdeal) #2

Honestly, I don’t think Flash Bangs have any place in Dirty Bomb.

It’s never going to be strong enough to compete with the good old Frag nade.

And they’re already nerfing so much of Fragger and he’s still potent as hell.

What they really need to do is make the Conc Nades a weaker, disorienting frag. Not able to kill anyone, but weaken a good group of them so your team can mop up. I mean think about it, being flash is no more a distraction than a God damn text message. You can still do stuff, so I hardly see the point in making Thunder a tankier Fragger as compensation.


(Cuck) #3

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;180365”]Honestly, I don’t think Flash Bangs have any place in Dirty Bomb.

It’s never going to be strong enough to compete with the good old Frag nade.

And they’re already nerfing so much of Fragger and he’s still potent as hell.

What they really need to do is make the Conc Nades a weaker, disorienting frag. Not able to kill anyone, but weaken a good group of them so your team can mop up. I mean think about it, being flash is no more a distraction than a God damn text message. You can still do stuff, so I hardly see the point in making Thunder a tankier Fragger as compensation.[/quote]

Lethality of stun grenades
Although stun grenades are usually designed to be non-lethal, several injuries and deaths have been attributed to their use. These include the following:

In February 2010, police in Minneapolis, Minnesota, raided the apartment of Rickia Russell looking for drugs. While Russell was eating dinner with her boyfriend, police threw a flashbang grenade after breaching the door. The exploding flashbang gave Rickia 3rd degree burns on both calves, and burns to her head. No drugs were found in Russell’s apartment and the Minneapolis City Council agreed to pay $1 million in damages

In February 2011, a North Carolina SWAT police officer was injured at his home when a stun grenade accidentally detonated while he was attempting to secure his equipment. He underwent emergency surgery, but later died of his injuries

In January 2014, a man was severely injured during rioting caused by the 2014 Ukrainian revolution after he attempted to pick up a live, undetonated stun grenade. The grenade detonated seconds before he could reach it. The explosion caused damage to his right hand and arm, leading to the loss of most of his fingers, as well as heavy blood loss. As of February 2014, the man’s condition is unknown.[13] However, a video of it has been uploaded to LiveLeak.

On May 28, 2014, a 19-month-old baby boy’s face was severely burned and mutilated when a stun grenade was thrown into his playpen by a SWAT team looking for drugs in a Cornelia, Georgia home. The baby survived with facial disfigurement

n August 3, 2014, a Macedonian fan of the FK Vardar football team was seriously injured during a football match after trying to throw a stun grenade used by police when a fight between the police and the fans broke out in the stands of Stadion Tumbe Kafe stadium in Bitola. The grenade exploded in his hand causing him to lose two fingers and suffer severe damage to the structure of his arm.

and this stun grenade is the m84 variant which is waaay smaller than thunder stun grenade.

non lethal…
okay.


(watsyurdeal) #4

Doesn’t really matter if it’s non lethal or not

We’re talking about a game with refractive armor, turrets, a healing station, a revivr, and you wanna talk about realism?

Realism < Gameplay

In their current state, and I imagine even after the update, the conc nades will barely make any sort of meaningful difference in gameplay. The reason Fragger would STILL be used over Thunder is because of his overall potency, and until Thunder is at least somewhat at that level or has a good niche with crowd control, he will still be in the same spot.


(Amerika) #5

Please create threads in the correct forum :slight_smile:


(Cuck) #6

imma sorry mr. 'merika


(Cuck) #7

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;180378”]Doesn’t really matter if it’s non lethal or not

We’re talking about a game with refractive armor, turrets, a healing station, a revivr, and you wanna talk about realism?

Realism < Gameplay

In their current state, and I imagine even after the update, the conc nades will barely make any sort of meaningful difference in gameplay. The reason Fragger would STILL be used over Thunder is because of his overall potency, and until Thunder is at least somewhat at that level or has a good niche with crowd control, he will still be in the same spot.[/quote]

thats why we need to give something to the nade instead of pulling the emp off.
slight burn damage, higher concussion or even stunned (not moving or even fell down)

all of those ability you mentioned are actually science that actually can be applied.
refractive armor? possible
automated turret?

already made for ships

healing station?
jddonline.com/articles/dermatology/S1545961615P0726X/1
possible

revivr gun?

could be a rail gun launching a mini taser for all i know.
(taser gun also has a damage falloff)

yes all of them maybe in 2020 already becoming a common sciences.

concussion grenade is fairly old given the technology already available since late 1970s
why cant we add better concussion grenade instead of dud concussion?


(watsyurdeal) #8

Scientifically possible, and practical use are not one in the same.

But my point stands, in order for the conc nades to be useful they need to do more than blind people, or preferably just be a less damaging frag nade with disorienting capability.


(Cuck) #9

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;180608”]Scientifically possible, and practical use are not one in the same.

But my point stands, in order for the conc nades to be useful they need to do more than blind people, or preferably just be a less damaging frag nade with disorienting capability.[/quote]

ARRRR
That is what im saying! it needs to be lethal but not as lethal as fragger because you can finish them easily with mowing them down!

duh.


(Tanker_Ray) #10

To be honest, I do feel EMPless THUNDA is quite crippling when you HAVE TO Assault at sifnificant timing such as Barricade Room at Underground, but right now all THUNDA needs is + 1 damage for Mk.46 really.

High DPS = Less time explosing your self + faster clearing.

I’ll wait for upcoming weapon balance first, and then I’ll decide. Timik THUNDA with Unshakable is really awesome.


(Cuck) #11

[quote=“ThunderPro;181170”]To be honest, I do feel EMPless THUNDA is quite crippling when you HAVE TO Assault at sifnificant timing such as Barricade Room at Underground, but right now all THUNDA needs is + 1 damage for Mk.46 really.

High DPS = Less time explosing your self + faster clearing.

I’ll wait for upcoming weapon balance first, and then I’ll decide. Timik THUNDA with Unshakable is really awesome.[/quote]

i have played the new thunda now, it is very awkward when i throw it on aura health station like i used to.

now we need phantom to assault first…


(Luumy) #12

Thunder as of right now is perfect, i’ve been pulling some pretty nice KDs with him now that the concussion helps more, you can just throw it to a group of people and completely shred with the Stark, even if they have a health station you can get headshots pretty quickly, hopefully they won’t nerf him now that he’s finally useful