Vote shuffle

(banteringTurnip) #1

I think the minimum should be down to 4or5 and it should restart the map, without another vote being allowed. I’ve played alot of painful stopwatch matches, ALOT.

(TheVulpesFox) #2

The problem with vote shuffle is people try to abuse near the end of a match so they can hopefully get a chance of being on the winners team if they think they are on the losing team.
Another problem is that people don’t understand when to use it. Just because they are being challenged they think the teams are imbalanced. And when sometimes one team is obviously crushing the opposing team, the winning team votes against the shuffle because they want an “ez” game.
The final flaw is that it cannot determine the skill or how well the player will play today. It uses levels (please correct me if I am wrong) to balance the teams. But say both teams have a level 50. One level 50 is maybe having a bad day, and the other level 50 playing their best. How could the system detect that? It can’t.
I don’t know how many votes are needed currently but it has to be enough people so that it has to have a good majority of the players.

(Vocopi) #3

Just leave it as it is IMO yes it frustrating when people don’t vote kick but I like that it is unanimous.

(RyePanda) #4

[quote=“TheVulpesFox;152480”]It uses levels (please correct me if I am wrong) to balance the teams. But say both teams have a level 50. One level 50 is maybe having a bad day, and the other level 50 playing their best. How could the system detect that? It can’t.
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It uses a rating based on how well you’ve done in your last 10 matches to balance teams at the start of the match and if a shuffle occurs.

(Sorotia) #5

Numbers don’t matter often…because a lot of people tend to ignore, vote no, or just plain don’t notice.

(neverplayseriou) #6

Making vote shuffl 4/5 votes will break this broken system even more, even now it’s already being used before the warm up round has even ended. Making it only this little votes for a shuffle would mean almost every lobby will get shuffled before having even played yet.

(Laionidas) #7

That actually would be quite fair. They just need to make a system where you can squad up with your buddies (max two or three) and then shuffle every team every match.

(kittz0r) #8

instant f2 always… people don’t understand what Stopwatch is… is about beating the enemy time… if you are shit at defending then its your fault (+team) but you can try to hold the enemy aswell.

i played like 1 Exekution yesterday and we won like 6 Rounds in a row, yeah vote spamming at his best because in CS people Vote all the time Shuffles when the CT side leads 8:0 (sarcasm involved).

devs should disable votes or limit them hardly… Stopwatch and Exekution Modes should not even have these Voteoptions. In Objectivemode they should disable it for the last Minutes…

Or just look up people behaviors and ban them if they are vote spammers

(blisteringOwlNest) #9

First they should fix the so when 7/7 vote yes and 1 votes no it actually shuffles. Yes it’s necessary sometimes, especially in situations that lead to single digit levels vs doubles, 20 and over.

Yes I’ve been in several matches like that.

(OmaGretel) #10

They should combine the shuffle and restart map vote options, imo. The vote should only be allowed during the first 3 minutes of a match and should automatically restart the match.
This vote spamming in almost every match I play is getting ridiculous.

(AlphaUT) #11

I think maybe they should make the shuffle system cannot be use in the last 5 mins of the game, because some people will just keep start the vote, yet it is not gonna pass due to the game is going to finish and after about 20 mins of the game, it is pointless to shuffle in the last one min that will make nonsense of weird switch. Most of time people start to vote for shuffle is when one team is losing so hard that about to occurs spawn-camp.

One thing that I suggest people should do is when the game starts, vote for shuffle before the first blood, this will help people to avoid imbalance.

(Whens_Phoenix) #12

The sheer amount of shuffle votes per match are disgusting. Doesen’t help that it’s usually the same guy who keeps calling the vote until he’s on the winning team.
Here’s my master thesis on how badly implemented this vote is:

It kills all my motivation after a certain point, since I could suddenly be shuffeled and everything I worked towards turns against me.
Remove the vote in the second round of stopwatch and let a person call shuffle twice per match maximum. That at least will stop the spam but probably not the abuse of the vote.

(AlphaUT) #13

@When’s_Phoenix I see the points of your video. To be honest, it is really annoying when people keep vote for shuffle, but it is really kinda rare that people would do the same thing as in the video. Most of time, people vote for it when it is imbalance or just try to be in the winning team. As far as now, I haven’t see a player did what that guy in your video did.

Some people just want to be an idiot. We do hope SD can makes system better. However, it’s still in BETA, which means things will go just fine after the beta ends. Let’s just keep it that way.

BTW, that’s the first time see restart map passed LOL

(Amerika) #14

[quote=“RyePanda;152491”][quote=“TheVulpesFox;152480”]It uses levels (please correct me if I am wrong) to balance the teams. But say both teams have a level 50. One level 50 is maybe having a bad day, and the other level 50 playing their best. How could the system detect that? It can’t.
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It uses a rating based on how well you’ve done in your last 10 matches to balance teams at the start of the match and if a shuffle occurs.[/quote]

It’s based on your last 25 matches as of 3 or 4 patches ago.

(Whens_Phoenix) #15

@AlphaUT

You just have to trust me when I say this but I didn’t try to cherrypick footage here. Obviously this one’s in the higher numbers but over here in europe you get about 4-5 shufflevotes every second match.

(Amerika) #16

I bet I could go through just the videos I have on YT and count at least 1-3 voteshuffle calls per match. And that’s just OBJ stuff. It’s even worse when playing SW.

I only ever participate in the vote if I feel teams truly are off or simply have an uneven amount of players. In the latter case a lot of times I’ll ask for somebody to switch instead of call a vote shuffle and pretty often somebody actually will.

(BerylRdm) #17

I would limit shuffle to one call per player in obj/sw round but add autobalance when teams get uneven (one team has -2 players) and xp or even some small credit award for evening them up in this situation before autobalance commence. Also, I don’t think shuffle should be allowed before match starts or immediately after it starts (~1 min from beginning) and definitely it shouldn’t be allowed shortly before the end of the game, especially when we’re talking about SW.
People abuse this vote a lot and this is irritating. As somebody mentioned before, it’s often one player that wants to be in the winning team, calling this vote whenever he can.

(banteringTurnip) #18

well what what about 6 for vote, can only vote from 3min to 5min mark, if passed restarts map with no further shuffles allowed.

As far as people abusing it i’ve luckily never had issues with that, and normally when people spam its because teams are absolutely stacked yet other team wants and EZ game, but I guess you cant blame them faceroll games make you feel superior

(BerylRdm) #19

Oh, one more thing. I don’t understand why when shuffle passes only those being swapped are killed. All players should be killed after shuffle.

(banteringTurnip) #20

Yes I just actually delt with abuse team was winning then on last 2 mins got team switched and lost the match, very frustrating to say the least.