Vissili or red-eye?

(RyePanda) #21

Also consider that Vassili is cheaper.

(Fate_6) #22

Vasilli’s ability is much better. Finding people you can’t see is better than spotting people you already see. Vasilli also gets better weapons. Smoke is a gimmick - it lacks the sort of impact that smoke has in CS.

Imagine Red-eye as the indoor counterpart to Arty.

(Ghosthree3) #23

I dunno, I can see smoke being pretty useful in a choke in competitive 5v5 if the enemy is unable to back out in time.

Could be wrong, might not work at all and people just wait for it to clear.

(Iksuda_Qataya) #24

Frankly I prefer Vasilli in every scenario, even as a mid range sniper on the move with the PDP. I’ve tried Red Eye with the PDP and even with more utility and 20 extra health I don’t do nearly as well as I do with Vasilli. Red-Eye has very weak loadouts, where as a PDP-70 Vasilli has a very very strong loadout with and MP400, Cricket Bat, Spares, Focus, and Spotter (all Perks extremely useful to him). I also feel like Vasilli’s means of detection is better. It can be thrown in places where people cannot get to it to destroy it, and you can watch a different flanking route yourself and report enemies there directly to your team. Red-Eye just spots people in his line of sight close to the center of the screen with his IR up, and thus he’s not even slightly consistent at spotting wider areas. In addition to Red-Eye being worse, I’d contest that a bad player on Red-Eye can actively screw up your teams best attempts at success. I can’t count the number of times already that I’ve seen a Red-Eye (or even caught myself doing it) throw a grenade into the middle of an active fairly close quarters fight and THEN put up his IR goggles, leaving his team totally in the dark. This is especially bad when your team is in a tighter spot than your opponents.

(SaulWolfden) #25

Again, Redeye isn’t a sniper, he’s a marksman, Vassili of course will do a better job at sniping as that is his role. The GSR or Dreiss fit with Redeye better than PDP does imo.

(Otter) #26

I think since Dirty Bomb is meant to be fast paced, in your face action, Redeye is more useful, in more situations. Vassili is pretty situation, until you’re very good with him.

(Fate_6) #27

@Ghosthree3 the reason smoke is effective in CS isn’t just that the smoke completely blocks vision (we get some shadows in DB) but that the game clock is short. In DB waiting 10 seconds for the smoke to clear is trivial. Since you have a marker where the objective is and you have hit markers, shooting blindly into smoke in this game is easy.

@Otter but Red-Eye is arguably worse at fast pace combat than any other character meant for fast combat. M14 has pretty nuts recoil and spread when fired quickly. Dreiss is probably his only viable loadout for doing things Vasilli can’t. That said, Vasilli also gets machine pistols so at close range he’s actually a better choice as well.