Tram.........Just do it

(_NeT_WalBanger) #21

See i told you SD didnt :stuck_out_tongue:

We got an Email or something to ask the people if we can?

(SCDS_reyalP) #22

What makes you think that ? Just because you didn’t get arrested the last time you sped, smoked dope, or jaywalked doesn’t automatically make those things legal. :moo:

  • “you” in the general sense. For all I know _NeT_WalBanger might be a model citizen. :banana:
(_NeT_WalBanger) #23

Stop with the legal crap… If need be someone can ask for permission, and im SURE they wont say no… In fact im pretty sure they would love it… (save me explaining in Future… they would love it because it will perlong the game we love as it did for manmy in RtCW)

Once again if it isnt a constructive comment plz shhhhhhhhhhhh

(blushing_bride) #24

why dont you ask permission?

(au.Hiroshima>) #25

Indeed. Demanding that someone make it for you then getting upset when respected mappers give you reasosns why it’s not such a good idea won’t help your cause.

Email Activision and ask them, you have nothing to lose. If the answer is no then at least you know where they stand on the matter. If the answer is yes then you can come back and ask for mapping assistance, I’m sure if it is sanctioned then you will get more support for this idea.

Personally I don’t think it is a good map to convert, it would need substantial changes to make the gameplay balanced. It is already heavily biased towards the defending team and the game dynamics of ET would make it this more so. You’d be better of making a map inspired by Tram as Loffy suggested, using similar elements such as the cable cars and doc run objective. I’ve played Tram, it was fun at the time but I would much rather play something new :slight_smile:

(]UBC[ McNite) #26

We got an Email or something to ask the people if we can?

Look at their homepage?

And who the hell do u think you are that u can say anyone with critical thoughts should just shhhhhhhh? I don’t think you ll win many friends that way. And I get the impression that you were at least right about your intelligence :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

(thegnat) #27

I think you don’t understand, what Wils means. SD made the maps and sold it to Activision. So Activision is the right owner.

EDIT: I would suggest, YOU get the permission from Activision, THEN come back and ask for someone who converts it. But until then please stop the ignorance and those annoying “Please waste your time and convert Tram illegal for me!” threads. Thanks.

(evilsock) #28

_NeT_WalBanger,

I persued a similar line of enquiry on a different forum last year prior for the conversion of mp_beach - bottom line for me was ‘if you want it so much learn to map’. About 3 months later the ‘good’ version of mp_beach was released. Initally I was over-the-moon then I played it a few times and it became clear that ET’s ROF, weapons and XP system prevent RtCW conversions playing anything like their original.

Check it out :-

Digitalservers.co.uk | 1944 Maps|70ms|213.228.215.139:27970
Digitalservers.co.uk | 1944 Maps|40ms|213.228.215.161:27980

HTH and don’t be too intimidated with the mapping - even I went through the tutorials over at Surface

(_NeT_WalBanger) #29

Indeed. Demanding that someone make it for you then getting upset when respected mappers give you reasosns why it’s not such a good idea won’t help your cause.

I’m not demanding… i Just Get the Feeling that mappers out there arnt doing it because of Negative people*…

And who the hell do u think you are that u can say anyone with critical thoughts should just shhhhhhhh? I don’t think you ll win many friends that way

I think im a person that is trying to give support for the making of 1 of the best maps on RtCW that would go well on to ET (even if it needs a few tweaks, which i doubt)…But keep seeing negative people standing in the way… So i tell them to shhhhhhh instead of what i really want to say…
I wouldnt mind if people presented problems in a better way i.e instead of:-
“Cant make map it would be illegal, now shut up about the map!!!”
how about…
“You will need to ask for permissionto make the map, activision are the people you need to see”

or instead of
“map will be wank and so unbalanced because of nbew artilary/mines etc… so dont make it”
how about
“do you think level 3 Artilary will make it unbalanced for the allies, if so What you think should be done, when the maps made?”

*And i have found out yesterday thatthis is true!! there are mappers that feel this way, because a few people sent me a few PM’s saying:-
TRAM has been started but im not posting on forum where and i ask you not to either as it will start a flaming war etc…
The only trouble is he posted 3 days ago that he dosnt have time to finish it cause of new job… so if anyone wants to take over what has been started plz give me a shout :wink:

(G0-Gerbil) #30

Wow I remember all the people saying that about the origanial… They were wrong, could you be to?
How do you remember people saying the RTCW version suffered from mines, increased rate of panzers and double arty?
Tram was already one of the most hideously unbalanced maps in favour of defence, and you think ET evens this out?

So now you want someone to do a direct conversion of the best map ever. Then, when it’s found to be deeply unplayable, you want them to ‘tweak’ it (read ‘massively change it’) to make it playable.

Unsuprisingly you’ll have a map that then looks nothing like Tram, thereby negating your original point of wanting a conversion.

Please - RTCW people - for god’s sake, there are still plenty of RTCW servers out there! If you can’t live with the increased accuracy and skill of RTCW without the XP-orientated rewards for ‘skilled’ (read, XP-whoring with too much time on their hands) players, then stick to ET!

It’s abundantly clear you can’t really imagine how the map would be in ET. Mappers have to think about gameplay balance all the time, so when they unanimously tell you a map would be crap, it’d be polite to at least pay attention to their opinions.

Stop with the legal crap… If need be someone can ask for permission, and im SURE they wont say no… In fact im pretty sure they would love it… (save me explaining in Future… they would love it because it will perlong the game we love as it did for manmy in RtCW)

Firstly, do you really believe, in your naivity, that anyone remotely concerned with the game creation itself will be responsible for thisd decision? Of course not, it’ll be handled by their legal department, assuming it gets any further than the standard ‘no’ responce.
Secondly, you appear to be SO sure they’ll say ‘yes’ that in fact you don’t NEED to ask permission.
Get permission. Until you explicitly have it in writing (ok, email :)) then it is NOT legal and never will be. You need to grasp this rather significant fact - the mappers on this forum won’t participate in ILLEGAL activities. This isn’t legal crap, it’s known as breaking the law. For some unknown reason, you seem to place a great deal less importance on this than virtually everyone else here.

Finally, the fact that someone is already converting Tram, as you so proudly boast like it’s some kind of ‘I WIN!!!’ arguement, simply means that someone with no respect for the work SD did or the laws has taken it upon themselves to rip a map that will quite clearly not work in ET. This shows a lack of forethought and ability in mapping which does not bode well for the conversion.

Tram will, undoubtedly, hit the ET scene like a wet flan, and you’ll be straight back here begging someone to update it because it’s crap. Assuming someone does it, you’ll then end up with something so far removed from the original that you might as well have just got a Tram-themed custom level in the first place, and would probably have taken less time to do anyway!

I hope someone does take you up on the tram offer - quite simply to shut you up and make you realise it’s not a good map for ET because it’s not just lvl3 arty, its:

  • Level 3 arty
  • Panzers increase
  • Mines
  • Mortar
  • Mobile MGs (oooh the thought of those mowing down the Allies fair makes me drool!).
  • Level 3 (I think) light weapons accuracy + prone

In other words, bottlenecks and too many ways of choking them with little or no comeback from the attackers. In all honesty though, it’d be simple enough to remove all but the heavy / light weapons threat by making it indoors set in concrete. How’s that for a realistic conversion? (I do find a pleasing balance in making Tram the illegal copy unminable as opposed to base the illegal copy where the road is mineable!).

(]UBC[ McNite) #31

Gerbil, I m sure your time was wasted writing this for Wallbanger who probably banged his head against the wall a bit too often :banghead:
but I had a hell of a fun reading your post. He simply doesn’t want to understand any of your points OR isn’t able to understand them (the later option being not as bad as the first one) :smiley: else he wouldn’t have continued posting like he did anyway.

Btw. u forgot the riflenades in your list which are highly effectiv in long-range-downhill-defense too.

(G0-Gerbil) #32

Of course! Riflenades. The things that love to bounce straight when going downhill maintaining their accuracy, but bounce vertically up over the heads of everyone when shot uphill :smiley:
Remember kids - gravity is your friend :smiley:

Of course he’ll ignore my post - players like this don’t care about things like ‘respect’ or ‘legality’ - ET is free, but that doesn’t give them any less reason to demand what they want - and now - employing the age old tactic of ignoring anyone who doesn’t agree with them or telling them to leave it alone. It’s the kind of attitude I expect from a non-mapper, really, but it has no place in this particular forum.

(_NeT_WalBanger) #33

No see you have ignored mine…

I asked all those with none constructive Arguments not to post but you still did, and even ignored the points i knew you would bring up and cleared for you…

i.e I said Stop this talk about the legal crap… meaning the 1st thing we need to get is a person who wants to make this map, then they/we can go ask permission…
otherwise it will be a case of:-
“Can i have the source code to make tram plz, ohh great thanks a lot… ohhh wait no i dont want to make the map” can you not see this…

And as for

Quote:
Wow I remember all the people saying that about the origanial… They were wrong, could you be to?
How do you remember people saying the RTCW version suffered from mines, increased rate of panzers and double arty?
Tram was already one of the most hideously unbalanced maps in favour of defence, and you think ET evens this out?

No i remeber everyone saying “ill never play that map you will never get out of the tram with all the panzas ETC”

  • Tram wasnt unbalanced… it was won as oftern by allies as axis

But well done you have turned this topic into what i didnt want it to turn into… You are determind not to let people enjoy the game, well at least i found some people very intrested in making this map even if you lot are determind to kill the game…

Hope you are happy in killing this topic!!!
Thanks for nothing!

(G0-Gerbil) #34

I asked all those with none constructive Arguments not to post but you still did, and even ignored the points i knew you would bring up and cleared for you…
You’ve cleared nothing up. If you have permission, I doubt it would take you more than 5 minutes on these forums to find someone prepared to create it for you.

You blindly ignore the fact that until you HAVE permission, nothing else matters. You know who to contact, so get contacting! Return with permission and this thread will take an entirely different direction I assure you :slight_smile:

You are determind not to let people enjoy the game, well at least i found some people very intrested in making this map even if you lot are determind to kill the game…
Yes us custom mappers are a miserable bunch determined to ruin the game and have no-one play it ever again. You really know how to make friends! This is not the general forum, people here expect a reasonable level of politeness and intelligence, as well as an ability to listen to people’s opinions who differ from their own. I won’t say ‘respect’ as such, because I’ve always felt it’s something earned, not given freely.

Many of the posts on here concerning maps are constructive criticisms, and that’s fine - we can deal with it. However, you aren’t handling that at all. Since we aren’t supposed to change the map you love, we’ve hit this brick-wall of requiring permission, which you’ve done nothing about. We ‘can’t’ (although we have!) comment about how the map wouldn’t work, nor make suggestions on either (A) how to change it or (B) how to do a Tram-themed level that would not require permission (IE could be started on today - think of that!), both of which would most likely end up being very very similar.

Now, I’m sorry, your point is what again? You want Tram made. We tell you you can’t do that without permission. You’ve been told who to ask for permission. We’ve told you nothing else can happen without said permission.

So we are here, and waiting. The only thing that will kill the ‘spirit’ of this thread (IE getting Tram made) is you not seeking permission. So go do it!
Once (if) you have permission, you’ll be beating the mappers off with a stick, because everyone would love to be part of a ‘sanctioned’ conversion.

(Wils) #35

And on that note, I think we’ve come full circle here.