Thunder


(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #1

So Thunder Fraggers lost twin brother
160 Hp
370 Ms
and a badass russian accent.

So what do you think he woul/should have for his lodout and what should how should his conc. be?

IMO
weapons:
1-MK48/timi-47/Starl (oposite of fragger)
2-in the beta he had the heavy psitols, but it hink it would be cool for him to have the semi, so we get more assault with the semi pistols
3-Bookhiil, stilhetto, kukri (he is russian so MACHETE)

so do you think he should have 2 concs or only 1? hes conc doesnt do damage after all


(LifeupOmega) #2

Conc may do no damage but it removes all control from anyone hit by it, that’s incredibly powerful. Sticking to one 'cause you really don’t want that to be spammable.


(Eox) #3

A part of me hope those will be replaced with Flashbangs : I love those things. @Redcap did some research and found out that there was two kind of grenades in the game files : a conc grenade and a flashbang. Not sure if it’s still the case but both had more or less the same model.


(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #4

@Fox I hope they stick to his COnc. i lloved thunder for them in the closed


(bizarreRectangle) #5

I know he most likely will get the timik and stark along with his mk46. But I just really want him to get the k121 too. Maybe fragger can swap the br16 for mk46. Or maybe fragger and thunder will be able to access 4 weapons?


(Reddeadcap) #6

As @Eox said above I’ve been looking into it and I have such good new for him.
My research is as follows, Dazzler used to have both Frags and Flashbangs, Dazzler was turned into Thunder and Fragger, Before Thunder’s grenades made a sort of blast wave which reduced mouse sensitivity, later turned into flashbangs but kept their name, as of now, the grenades seam to be as follows they’re named Conc, but they have both effects, a blind and mouse sensitivity reducer and screen “warping” effect, the mouse sensitivity reduction is a rather small blast compared to its blinding effect (The blast wave is about as big as a Stoker molotov’s patch of fire.) while the blinding has a much larger reach, The blinding effect is not exactly related to one’s line of sight, so even if you’re not looking, unless behind cover you can still be blinded, both effects are based on how close you are to the blast, with blinding being highly muted vision, just able to tell your surroundings and blinded by just a second, to a full 4 second of a complete white screen if you’re on top of it, also audio is affected by this as it’ll be sort of muffled at the max range of the concussive blast and completely muted when ontop of it, these grenades don’t have the option for their pin to be pulled and cooked but instead have a solid 3 second delay. (Correction: There is cooking, Hand is different.)

@astoundingShellfish you’re correct, Thunder seams to be going for his own LMG(Fraggers original since they’ve had each other’s swapped to make Thunder a bit more like a mini-Rhino due to its higher ammo cap and rate of fire.), the Stark AR and the Timik-47 as his analogues to Fragger’s BR-16 and M4A1 Respectively, in my opinion Fragger and Thunder should have each others lmgs replacing burst rifles as the assault rifles really fill in their cases a role of Faster reload speed instead of high ammo capacity.

If you’d like to test the conc grenades yourself, use the following commands in console, after pressing ~ to bring up console type in a map and press enter, I used Dome as it was so large.

switchlevel OBJ_Dome spawn and then type in
SGPawn PrimaryWeapons (A_ConcussionGrenades_01)
to turn your primary weapon into these grenades and have a go at it.
also do a (A_Grenade_01) For the old frag grenade, no noise and a different model to Fragger’s but you dont see it on your hand, (A_Grenade_02) for the old Dazzler Grenade.

Finally by the looks of it there is a tomahawk_01, weapon modifications, sights, mags, scopes, etc and finally little weapon tags that dangle from your gun, similar to blacklight:retributions, one for founders, one if you played in earlier stages of the beta/alpha, and also a contributor one, one is known as a “star”, theres also silencer, muzzle breaks and shells, this is interesting, red dot sights.


(streetwiseSailboat) #7

I’d like to pretend that they don’t share weapons because Americans and Russians have a history. Ever since Rocky Balboa fought against Ivan Drago.


(Reddeadcap) #8

Joke aside, I think that should be true for the Timik and M4, as those are the most american and russian guns, only wish that splash damage would make the Timik a more harder hitting/fast firing which one would expect in many other games due to the bullet differences IRL on the other hand I don’t see why they wouldn’t have each other’s LMG as that would make them the only character classes with a gun of their own that don’t have access to an analogue, with the much needed buff to the burst rifles aside, I don’t see much point in two tanky close range fighters having them, they’re fun and I’ve loved the BR-16 on my Fragger loadout but it seams he and Thunder should have their own lmgs in 3 loadouts, each others in another 3, and finally their respective rifles on their third, which is every other character loadout, except for Redeye have going for them, with Redeye’s case being the Dreiss, the Grandeur and the PDP, which leads me to thinking Aimee will have Redeye’s Grandeur her default PDP and Vas’ Moa, as for a time the Felix was Phantom’s and another time no rifle at all but a pistol and the katana, getting on track again, It just makes sense as their version of faster rate of fire but lower ammo capacity alternatives to LMGs.


(HoakinBlackforge) #9

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;19855”]So Thunder Fraggers lost twin brother
160 Hp
370 Ms
and a badass russian accent.

So what do you think he woul/should have for his lodout and what should how should his conc. be?

IMO
weapons:
1-MK48/timi-47/Starl (oposite of fragger)
2-in the beta he had the heavy psitols, but it hink it would be cool for him to have the semi, so we get more assault with the semi pistols
3-Bookhiil, stilhetto, kukri (he is russian so MACHETE)

so do you think he should have 2 concs or only 1? hes conc doesnt do damage after all[/quote]

Russian? HE SHOULD CARRY A HAMMER!!!


(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #10

@HoakinBlackforge I was thinking fo the machete Reznov used back in WaW


(HoakinBlackforge) #11

No, hammer. Because russia.


(neverplayseriou) #12

Reaping hook as melee weapon? :stuck_out_tongue:


(Haki) #13

@Redcap

You da real MVP !


(Reddeadcap) #14

[quote=“Haki;110215”]@Redcap

You da real MVP ![/quote]

Thank you! :3
http://media2.giphy.com/media/CpR9lbo8TDUmk/giphy.gif
Here are some screenshots of the stun’s blastwave, taken just outside of their blinding effect.
Beginning, [url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190683101186/D831CF1CF3E591B74AEFCA63D013A30E1CD82B0A/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|1024:768&composite-to=*,*|1024:768&background-color=black”]Middle, [url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190683098182/35FCF905FF7BF710099F86B46BAB2400BCA66466/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|1024:768&composite-to=*,*|1024:768&background-color=black”]End.

[url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190682873178/205230B4A9D71A89A8681AF5110FCB8018E4F974/”]This is The grenade in a hand.


(gg2ez) #15

[quote=“Redcap;110254”][quote=“Haki;110215”]@Redcap

You da real MVP ![/quote]

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Thank you! :3

Here are some screenshots of the stun’s blastwave, taken just outside of their blinding effect.
Beginning, [url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190683101186/D831CF1CF3E591B74AEFCA63D013A30E1CD82B0A/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|1024:768&composite-to=*,*|1024:768&background-color=black”]Middle, [url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190683098182/35FCF905FF7BF710099F86B46BAB2400BCA66466/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|1024:768&composite-to=*,*|1024:768&background-color=black”]End.

[url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625190682873178/205230B4A9D71A89A8681AF5110FCB8018E4F974/”]This is The grenade in a hand.
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That’s actually really cool, thanks for sharing.


(bizarreRectangle) #16

Joke aside, I think that should be true for the Timik and M4, as those are the most american and russian guns, only wish that splash damage would make the Timik a more harder hitting/fast firing which one would expect in many other games due to the bullet differences IRL on the other hand I don’t see why they wouldn’t have each other’s LMG as that would make them the only character classes with a gun of their own that don’t have access to an analogue, with the much needed buff to the burst rifles aside, I don’t see much point in two tanky close range fighters having them, they’re fun and I’ve loved the BR-16 on my Fragger loadout but it seams he and Thunder should have their own lmgs in 3 loadouts, each others in another 3, and finally their respective rifles on their third, which is every other character loadout, except for Redeye have going for them, with Redeye’s case being the Dreiss, the Grandeur and the PDP, which leads me to thinking Aimee will have Redeye’s Grandeur her default PDP and Vas’ Moa, as for a time the Felix was Phantom’s and another time no rifle at all but a pistol and the katana, getting on track again, It just makes sense as their version of faster rate of fire but lower ammo capacity alternatives to LMGs.[/quote]

That was some pretty useful information, thanks man. However I’d appreciate if you used periods, and organized your posts. It’s just a wall of text that, imo, is a bit difficult to read.


(Reddeadcap) #17

Joke aside, I think that should be true for the Timik and M4, as those are the most american and russian guns in the game.

My only wish that splash damage would make the Timik a harder hitting, faster firing but less accurate rifle, which one would expect in many other games due to the bullet differences IRL.

On the other hand I don’t see why they wouldn’t have each other’s LMG as that would make them the only character classes with a gun of their own that don’t have access to an analogue.

With the much needed buff to the burst rifles aside, I don’t see much point in two tanky close range fighters having them, they’re fun and I’ve loved the BR-16 on my Fragger loadouts but it seams he and Thunder should have their own lmgs in 3 loadouts, each others in another 3, and finally their respective rifles on their third.

Every other character loadouts have access to a similar weapon to their default and one very different one.

Except for Redeye which still makes sense, Redeye’s case being he has Arty’s Dreiss which can be seen as his closest range rifle.

His default Grandeur which fills a role between the dreiss and the sniper rifles and the PDP which is somewhere between a sniper rifle and the Grandeur.

This leads me to thinking Aimee will have Redeye’s Grandeur her default PDP and Vas’ Moa.

A little hint at one point in time the Felix was Phantom’s and another time he had no rifle at all but a silenced Selbstadt .40 pistol (Hence why it was shown with a supressor) and the katana.

Back to topic, It just makes sense that Fragger and Thunder would have the M4 and the Timik as their version of faster rate of fire but lower ammo capacity alternatives to LMGs, but not burst rifles as those really don’t fit their role due to their effective range.[/quote]

That was some pretty useful information, thanks man. However I’d appreciate if you used periods, and organized your posts. It’s just a wall of text that, imo, is a bit difficult to read. [/quote]

Changed it a bit more in your quote of mine in this post, a little better now?

[url=“http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/646625824530862662/4689DABC6C25AB55787972B151B027F306CF12B7/”]For those curios, here is grenade_02 (The Flashbangs) being used seen just outside of it’s blinding radius just like grenade_01 they have no sound effects or “in your hand” animations.

In earlier stages everyone had grenades and Dazzler would have both these and the regular frags before being changed to Thunder and Fragger.

He even used both Fragger old/Thunder’s current LMG and an M4A1 as a secondary, this was also seen on Thunder as the Hochfir SMG as his secondary before being replaced with Magnums, Like Fragger.


(Drcipres) #18

LMG or K121 or M4A1I think
Heavy pistols because is a assault class and dont make sense to have a assault with machine pistols
We will know this next monday


(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #19

@Drcipres He has the MK48 instea dof the k 121


(Drcipres) #20

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;112629”]@Drcipres He has the MK48 instea dof the k 121
[/quote]

LMG = MK48
So i said MK48 + K121 + assault rifle