Thoughts on recent weapon changes?

(doxjq) #1

Not a flame thread, just curious to know what people think about the recent weapon changes.

For me the Hochfir, I don’t really notice the change. The Dreiss still seems terrible to me, but to be fair I haven’t put many hours into this gun. I’ve noticed others are doing better with it so I don’t doubt the changes were good. The Grandeur in my eyes was already balanced, but in all honesty I don’t seem to do any better or worse with it in its current state, so I can’t really feel the changes here either.

The Timik changes I do notice though. I’m unsure on how I feel about this change yet but the gun for me seems to be outperforming the M4 by a mile. It might be bad luck or the fact that I don’t really use full auto rifles any more, but I seem to find the Timik more effective than the M4 at all distances at the moment. It feels like the first 3-4 bullets are pretty damn accurate but with the M4 not so much. The M4 feels like it has way more starting spread.

All in all I think the changes were fine but I’d love to hear some comparisons between the Timik and M4 now. Anyone else having similar experiences or feel like the changes were perhaps too much or too little?

(Dawnlazy) #2

Meh they can buff the Timik all they want but with those sights I’ll always favour the M4, awesome sights make it an amazing headshot machine at range.

(BananaSlug) #3

GSR is overbuffed, dreiss seems more consistent and i will try out timmik today, i remember bontsa talking that it is awesome, tbh i ignored timmik, i thought these changes wont change, but i hope i am wrong

(averagerussian) #4

i hope that death laser gun timik will stay like this

(Nibbles02) #5

I haven’t had time to play around with the Timik because I was trying out an M4 loadout for Stoker. I’ll say that the Timik always seemed to do more DPS for me before the update and I could get more headshots consistently in mid-range. I have noticed new players doing insanely well with the GSR(they kept killing me in 2-3 shots as soon as they had a line of sight, missing very rarely) but I assume that was just because they changed the bullet spread.

I remember before that it seemed to be too inaccurate because I would miss in close range when my crosshair was directly over an enemy’s head, but now maybe it does too much damage for how accurate and fast it is(80 headshot damage for semi-auto fire!(the Dreiss does 54 and they fire at almost the same rate, 3.75 rounds per second on the GSR vs 5 rounds per second on the Dreiss)), because it gives you very little time to react to it, but at least it rewards you for accuracy.

(SiegeFace) #6

The Timik appears to be a laser beam now, and I love it. Still needs a bit of control but its at a point where I think any newcomer could easily control it (not that it was that difficult in the first place)

The Hochfir, I really do not notice the change, so i cant say it is good or bad.

The Grandeur, although I used it for like 2 rounds in execution (1 round it was just 1v1 and 1 tapped an aura) but again haven’t really noticed the change, but I really need to give it some tlc, used to love using it on trainyard.

The Driess, again need to use it a bit more, happened to get a bronze kira card with driess a few days ago so will give it a spin in about 5 mins time.

The MP400/Empiremeatshredder-9 dont feel as useful as they once were, I feel sporks has been hit hard by this the most and the few rounds ive played with her I usually go for the usual revive gun lazor hs and if that fails go straight to the pistol/melee instead or run away like a coward.

The pistol changes are pretty damn good, it feels like I can depend on them alot more in those last resort/fight or flight moments.

Ill go try out the rest of the things and edit this post.

(X-aited) #7

most weapons affected by that patch i didn’t used prior and won’t use now. However i thought the Hochfir were already in a good spot. After reading people don’t notice the change of it is good news to me.

The Timik change however went in a wrong direction imo. If SD wanted to buff it they should it by increasing its damage. For precision i use the M4.

However: i think this patch affected the wrong weapon. There is still every-/ something wrong with the sh*tguns. Also people claim this for Burst Rifles. They should get changes to fit them to the other weapons. Imo this is far more important than the other balancing attempts.

Also i felt like there were more buffs than nerfs… is SD lowering TTK?

(Icecoal) #8

I found the timik always awesome but the m4 is still more accurate at longer range imo.

(SiegeFace) #9

[quote=“Icecoal;204141”]I found the timik always awesome but the m4 is still more accurate at longer range imo.
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Timik defo has its drawbacks at range still even with this buff, so I think its in a good place vs the m4.

[quote=“Xaited;204135”]
Also i felt like there were more buffs than nerfs… is SD lowering TTK?[/quote]

I don’t believe so, I think they are just trying to make every weapon a viable choice as opposed to having 1 or 2 top dogs in each category.

(SaulWolfden) #10

PDP works well in close quarters with that damage buff. It’s nice the Caulden has 9 shots now, it might just be the sweet spot. I’ll keep taking those GSR buffs, it’s only one of my favorite weapons already. Timik seemed to play better for me, didn’t notice much difference with Hochfir, maybe a slightly faster TTK. Didn’t use the machine pistols really (except maybe a little bit on Proxy).

The Dreiss to me has always felt unsatisfying and still feels that way to me now, course I kind of use it like a GSR on Redeye (which is not a good idea) so had to use it on Kira… I just went back to lazering people instead after losing most engagements with the Dreiss. I don’t have that problem with either burst rifle on her.

(doxjq) #11

[quote=“Xaited;204135”]
Also i felt like there were more buffs than nerfs… is SD lowering TTK?[/quote]

Tbh buffing weaker guns instead of nerfing stronger guns makes more sense to me. Gives the game a way higher skill ceiling. If I lose a battle I like to know it’s because I screwed up not because my gun had all kinds of weird spread or something.

(doxjq) #12

[quote=“SaulWolfden;204146”]
The Dreiss to me has always felt unsatisfying and still feels that way to me now, course I kind of use it like a GSR on Redeye (which is not a good idea) so had to use it on Kira… I just went back to lazering people instead after losing most engagements with the Dreiss. I don’t have that problem with either burst rifle on her.[/quote]

Yeah it’s the same for me. I don’t doubt it can be used well or that there is a few freaks out there who do well with it but I do think it’s much harder to use than the other guns. It’s mostly because I find it sits in a weird place where I need to pace my shots and let the recoil reset, but you kind of need to pull the trigger as fast as possible to make the most of it. It just doesn’t do enough damage for careful plinking like the Grandeur, and I really struggle to aim / track people when I am constantly spamming mouse1.

I’ve almost been tempted in the past to have a secondary key for shooting with my left hand, to use on guns like the Dreiss.

(ExceedHero) #13

I love the Dreiss buff, it’s one of my favourite guns. Hochfir doesn’t seem as bad as before on Phoenix so I’m happy.
Haven’t tried the other guns yet.

(Mc1412013) #14

My k/d has significantly improved when using the hotchfir with the hotchfir buff

(watsyurdeal) #15

The first shot with the Grandeur is so perfect now, you’re gonna hit whatever you aim at generally. From there it’s just good control.

Nothing else to really stuck out.

(Amerika) #16

I’ve only used the Timik and the Dreiss so far since the changes. Haven’t put a ton of time in due to IRL things but I’ll get to the others soon enough.

Dreiss: It’s pretty damn good. If you can consistently put your crosshair on a target and click it’s ridiculous. Especially if you catch somebody who stopped moving for a half of a second. You can quickly get a double headshot. It’s incredibly accurate from the hip now for the first 3 or 4 bullets so you don’t have to bring up ADS as quickly to remain accurate. You can fire it a bit faster before it goes all out of control and it just feels good. My issue with it before was, despite it doing good damage, it was hard stay accurate without restricting your movement via constant ADS. And now people who would have gotten away no longer do since it’s more accurate early on. And you’re less likely to get killed using it since you aren’t stuck in constant ADS trying to hit that last shot. It feels like a good competitive choice right now in the right hands.

Timik: Feels a bit more like the m4 with “meh” sights. It lost some of the kick and the bullet wander so it’s easier to deal with now after you start firing for a bit. It’s more consistent which is what has always made the m4 the superior choice anyway. If you don’t mind the Timik’s sights it is pretty close to the m4 now if you don’t mind the sights. I still want them to make this the blishlok/k121 of the AR’s and make it the slow firing but big hitting gun so it’s not just m4-like.

The GR I haven’t tried out yet but I am eager to since I liked it before the changes and the changes it received should make it feel a bit less random when hip firing which was the only area where I thought it was weak (besides the awful iron sights). Sometimes you’d random out a person with a headshot in CQC and other times you’d miss when you were dead on (and confirmed via recorded footage). So this change will help. And the reload time reduction is always welcome since I’m a big fan of Drilled.

(MilkyBear) #17

I like the GSR a bit more now. At least on hip fire stand point, unless they give it a red dot sight.

(GatoCommodore) #18

[quote=“Icecoal;204141”]I found the timik always awesome but the m4 is still more accurate at longer range imo.
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the iron sights are better imo

(Nibbles02) #19

I’ve had time to try out the Dreiss a bit more and I’m now convinced that the Dreiss is stronger than burst fire rifles, which is a bit disappointing because some of my favorite loadouts had the Stark and BR-16 on them.

(Mister__Wiggles) #20

M4 is still the better option amd the most consistent AR in the game. Ive always thought the timik has been balanced wrong, it’s always been adjusted to be much closer to the m4 but I think it should be done differently. For example, I always thought it should be balanced for high skill high reward, kinda like the driess. If you are consistent with the dries it just shreads, making the ak as hard to use but just as rewarding makes more sense, give it some more recoil and spread but increase the damage, hell you could lower the rate of fire if the dps is adjusted right. My opinion though, I do feel like the AR category needs to be revised though with the bf’s being the Kings atm.