This devs seriously need to step it up

[HadronZodiac]

Read it all or don’t bother commenting
These are my opinions so stop flipping tables when you see something that you dont agree with

A - Stop overnerfing things, want some examples?
Stark
Br16
Dreiss
PDP
Grand
Dreiss
Phantom
Guardian (shit to begin with tbh)
Fragger
Mp400
MP’s in general

B - Make things people actually want to buy (gj on the weapon skins)

No one wants to spend 8 dollars on a crate expecting at least a gold, and they get a silver vasilli…

C - Make leveling up actually worth my time

I expect at least a prime case or rads

Not a god damn bronze card

D - Any plans on making balance a thing?

Proxy nuke pancakes
Vasilli rhinos
Alahuahkbar Nader
Proxy in general tbh

not ok ^

E - Purge the bugs…

I get that new updates mean more bugs, so truly eradicating is impossible, but lets be serious

We’ve had the ev bug for so long
We’ve had the chrome (distorted) mercs for so long
We’ve had the chrome (distorted) weapons for so long
We’ve had the slenderman bug for so long

Actually do something

F - Remember when you guys were getting in trouble by the government for what evs for the gambling? (I live in america so idk)

And they did what to fix that?

G - Stop thinking things are worth more than they actually are

Value is based on amount and presentation
A cobalt is seen as amazing because it is presented as the best and very hard to get
SE cards are seen as pretty, limited time, hard to get, and shown as best

yet, heres the thing.

50k credits, and 20k fragments for a cobalt? come on…

The new crappy loadout cases are 5k, for an almost 100% chance of a bronze (every time i get a bronze so idc anymore)

Now that there are no leads, it means the value of the bronze has gone down as well. So why make it cost 5k?

H - Make up your mind about phantom!

First he’s a basic run around and kill
Then he gets nerfed into a potatoe
Then he comes with this new emp
Then he comes with an emp burst and a SUPER visible cloak

Many people are just saying remove him, and tbh Im kinda with that…

I - Can i ask how this got past you guys?

Hunter’s arrow literally gets caught on everything, walls, floors, accessories to the map, etc…

J - Why the shit is the turret so choppy?

You need to press f 9 times to get on, when you want to get off you have to smash f and throw your keyboard outside in order for it to work

So many times where i die from a buggy mechanic

K - Why the hell does the game tell the enemies where the c4 is planted (specifically), this just makes the smoke more useless

L - So why doesn’t redeyes IR goggles not spot phantom?

Any plans on answering that? ^

M - Hey, weve been telling you are thoughts on your shit weapons for months

do something about it

N - Wanna explain why the rhemburg hasnt been nerfed yet?

O - You just like nerfing shit dont you?

P - You just like ignoring your community dont you?

I got more comin…

[STARRYSOCK]

I’m the last person to argue DB is perfect, but with this and some of your other recent comments it might be better to just take a break from the game. I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but you’re only making yourself hate the game more, when something as bad as nader’s martyrdom annoys you.

A lot of your points are valid, but other things just sound like built up frustration to me, especially how you worded them. And even then, these aren’t new things. These are subjects people have been talking about for ages now. Angerly ranting about these things won’t solve anything.

On a side note, you also have to understand that balance isn’t as simple as “don’t do that”. There’s more that goes into balance than “is it fair”. “Is it fun” is equally as important. This is a game after all. For example, Javelin’s rocket on release was balanced more or less, but not fun to play against. It’s hard to make things both fun and fair.

[HadronZodiac]

@STARRYSOCK said:
I’m the last person to argue DB is perfect, but with this and some of your other recent comments it might be better to just take a break from the game. I don’t mean to be rude or anything, but you’re only making yourself hate the game more, when something as bad as nader’s martyrdom annoys you.

A lot of your points are valid, but other things just sound like built up frustration to me, especially how you worded them. And even then, these aren’t new things. These are subjects people have been talking about for ages now. Angerly ranting about these things won’t solve anything.

On a side note, you also have to understand that balance isn’t as simple as “don’t do that”. There’s more that goes into balance than “is it fair”. “Is it fun” is equally as important. This is a game after all. For example, Javelin’s rocket on release was balanced more or less, but not fun to play against. It’s hard to make things both fun and fair.

A - Yeah ive been thinking about taking a break…

B - Lol thats why so many people just say delete phantom or even proxy. They fun to fight when they are useless, not fun to play. Or fun to play but it ruins everyone else’s time.

Plus for phantom, id say make him sound like a hadron collider when moving but barely visible, and when not moving still barely visible but more quiet. Imo its a simple fix that the devs want to avoid

[MuddyGrenade]

@HadronZodiac said:
Read it all or don’t bother commenting
These are my opinions so stop flipping tables when you see something that you dont agree with

We’ve broken him, boys.
All jokes aside, I think most of your points are valid. Like Starry said, taking a break is probably a pretty good idea. Though I still think that Proxy is pretty much fine, besides drop-and-pop.

[HadronZodiac]

@MuddyGrenade said:

@HadronZodiac said:
Read it all or don’t bother commenting
These are my opinions so stop flipping tables when you see something that you dont agree with

We’ve broken him, boys.
All jokes aside, I think most of your points are valid. Like Starry said, taking a break is probably a pretty good idea. Though I still think that Proxy is pretty much fine, besides drop-and-pop.

hahaha fr

anyways ive been getting used to proxy pancakes (they still quiet tho), and yeah pop&drop is still annoying

[DarkangelUK]

Because people have paid money for mercs, and also the fact that phantom has obsidians then I can say with 100% certainty that phantom will never be deleted. I do wish SD would do a complete rework though, I’d be happy for him to lose his cloak entirely and get something else fitting of his role.

[CyberVonCyberus]

To be honest I can’t help but lose faith in SD, DB has just sat for so long in a vicious circle of constant bugs and issues that shouldn’t exist which puts the game in a state if limbo where it’s not good enough but has some potential.

It’s just hard to not be pessimistic about it.

[HadronZodiac]

@DarkangelUK said:
Because people have paid money for mercs, and also the fact that phantom has obsidians then I can say with 100% certainty that phantom will never be deleted. I do wish SD would do a complete rework though, I’d be happy for him to lose his cloak entirely and get something else fitting of his role.

Tbh yeah, the whole delete him is a joke of course, but agreed he just doesnt fit and clearly the devs are having trouble balancing it

[Xenithos]

@HadronZodiac said:

These are my opinions so stop flipping tables when you see something that you dont agree with
Your OPINION doesn’t change facts or make you right. Defending a position because “it’s simply an opinion” is willfully choosing ignorance and being stubborn like a mule, even if you’re right.
A - Stop overnerfing things, want some examples?
Stark Br16 Dreiss PDP Grand Dreiss Phantom (he’s actually correct on the correct video settings…) Guardian (you’re probably playing her wrong…) Fragger (actually fine, maybe even still too powerful because of game mechanics fitting him too well.)
Bolded I agree with, strikethrough are incorrect.
MP’s in general
… The Dreiss is probably in the best balanced state it’s in. Fragger seems fine where he’s at. Agree with everything else, wait no, actually, Guardian is just fine. I’ve played her in competitive and in pugs and she can do some insane stuff, especially because of merc stacking.
B - Make things people actually want to buy (gj on the weapon skins)
So, if they’re supposed to be stepping up, and then you compliment them on what they’re doing…
No one wants to spend 8 dollars on a crate expecting at least a gold, and they get a silver vasilli…
Their crates that allow for individual merc buying is imo perfect. Their establishment of the rads systems and allowing people to earn those things as well makes me much happier WITH the small level of rng that DOES still exist in those cases. If the loadout system is also implemented in the way it’s been hinted and claimed as, then you’re seriously complaining for no reason.
C - Make leveling up actually worth my time
Absolutely 100% freaking agree. I do like the rads from leveling though. I am fully concerned over why they’re going to inflate the levels of DB when all they’re going to do is rebalance the rewards to be AS rewarding as they already are. What’s the point of touching levels?

D - Any plans on making balance a thing?
… Vassili Rhinos? Nader’s really freaking obvious martyrdom? You may need to take a break my friend. Also, saying somethign constructive other than “not okay” might better reinforce your point. Like, “I think Nader’s martyrdom should be removed or delayed so that you have to wait before you can pop it when you die.”

E - Purge the bugs…
Though I agree that there are more bugs than is necessary, to the point that incoming players will probably be a little turned off by some (like the new yellow turret bug that came back, wheeeee.) Your comment of:
Actually do something
is a little insulting.

H - Make up your mind about phantom!
First he’s a basic run around and kill
Then he gets nerfed into a potatoe
Then he comes with this new emp
Then he comes with an emp burst and a SUPER visible cloak
His cloak is only super visible because of their really crappy multiple detail team. If you change the game’s video render settings to anything above medium you see that he’s hard to see. I get your frustration though, balancing cloak characters in a game like DB is probably difficult.
Many people are just saying remove him, and tbh Im kinda with that…
That… won’t happen, even if people are fine with it. Rework? Sure, whatever fits the health of the game. But truly? I think all he really needs is an innate “stealthy” added to his kit. He already has a unique point in this game that I’ve come to appreciate.
K - Why the hell does the game tell the enemies where the c4 is planted (specifically), this just makes the smoke more useless
Um, you angry at what mate? You think the game shouldn’t tell enemies that have access to satellite information when the C4 is planted? Huh? The game doesn’t tell you IF there’s a plant going on… only after it’s completed and the timer starts. Also, isn’t it obvious WHERE the c4 is planted… because… well, it’s the place the C4 gets planted at in every stinking match?
L - So why doesn’t redeyes IR goggles not spot phantom?
He’s immune to spot, it’s part of his kit, VERY handy. You can still see him, which fits.
Any plans on answering that? ^
They already answered it, want the video?

N - Wanna explain why the rhemburg hasnt been nerfed yet?
You have a problem with every weapon dude. Like, literally every weapon. Do I need to prove this with your own words from a different post?
O - You just like nerfing @$!# dont you?
Rhetorical question?
P - You just like ignoring your community dont you?

I got more comin…
Please spare us. Insulting people doesn’t do anything besides disgruntle them. Being clear and constant with your desired changes on multiple platforms, if more people agree, is the way to get change. Just look at the information surrounding Javelin and her changes. When Turtle came out his shield was TOO tanky, Hunter’s bow was jank af and had HUGE head hitboxes, ulu was broken in it’s weapon hit pathing, and is now fixed. I would say it’s not that they ignore their community, just that they don’t communicate all of their intentions well with the ALREADY pessimistic community. Example: Faceit taking 4(?) days to get shared as a business move without a single reference to it until it’s reveal. You are looking at ALL the negative that YOU SEE as negative (granted that a lot of it IS shared by many) and not noticing any of the stuff they DO do right.

You can’t just wave a wand as a developer and have your problems go away unless you shut down your game.

[GatoCommodore]

seems like L2P problem to me tbh

[HadronZodiac]

@Xenithos said:

@HadronZodiac said:

These are my opinions so stop flipping tables when you see something that you dont agree with
Your OPINION doesn’t change facts or make you right. Defending a position because “it’s simply an opinion” is willfully choosing ignorance and being stubborn like a mule, even if you’re right.
A - Stop overnerfing things, want some examples?
Stark Br16 Dreiss PDP Grand Dreiss Phantom (he’s actually correct on the correct video settings…) Guardian (you’re probably playing her wrong…) Fragger (actually fine, maybe even still too powerful because of game mechanics fitting him too well.)
Bolded I agree with, strikethrough are incorrect.
MP’s in general
… The Dreiss is probably in the best balanced state it’s in. Fragger seems fine where he’s at. Agree with everything else, wait no, actually, Guardian is just fine. I’ve played her in competitive and in pugs and she can do some insane stuff, especially because of merc stacking.
B - Make things people actually want to buy (gj on the weapon skins)
So, if they’re supposed to be stepping up, and then you compliment them on what they’re doing…
No one wants to spend 8 dollars on a crate expecting at least a gold, and they get a silver vasilli…
Their crates that allow for individual merc buying is imo perfect. Their establishment of the rads systems and allowing people to earn those things as well makes me much happier WITH the small level of rng that DOES still exist in those cases. If the loadout system is also implemented in the way it’s been hinted and claimed as, then you’re seriously complaining for no reason.
C - Make leveling up actually worth my time
Absolutely 100% freaking agree. I do like the rads from leveling though. I am fully concerned over why they’re going to inflate the levels of DB when all they’re going to do is rebalance the rewards to be AS rewarding as they already are. What’s the point of touching levels?

D - Any plans on making balance a thing?
… Vassili Rhinos? Nader’s really freaking obvious martyrdom? You may need to take a break my friend. Also, saying somethign constructive other than “not okay” might better reinforce your point. Like, “I think Nader’s martyrdom should be removed or delayed so that you have to wait before you can pop it when you die.”

E - Purge the bugs…
Though I agree that there are more bugs than is necessary, to the point that incoming players will probably be a little turned off by some (like the new yellow turret bug that came back, wheeeee.) Your comment of:
Actually do something
is a little insulting.

H - Make up your mind about phantom!
First he’s a basic run around and kill
Then he gets nerfed into a potatoe
Then he comes with this new emp
Then he comes with an emp burst and a SUPER visible cloak
His cloak is only super visible because of their really crappy multiple detail team. If you change the game’s video render settings to anything above medium you see that he’s hard to see. I get your frustration though, balancing cloak characters in a game like DB is probably difficult.
Many people are just saying remove him, and tbh Im kinda with that…
That… won’t happen, even if people are fine with it. Rework? Sure, whatever fits the health of the game. But truly? I think all he really needs is an innate “stealthy” added to his kit. He already has a unique point in this game that I’ve come to appreciate.
K - Why the hell does the game tell the enemies where the c4 is planted (specifically), this just makes the smoke more useless
Um, you angry at what mate? You think the game shouldn’t tell enemies that have access to satellite information when the C4 is planted? Huh? The game doesn’t tell you IF there’s a plant going on… only after it’s completed and the timer starts. Also, isn’t it obvious WHERE the c4 is planted… because… well, it’s the place the C4 gets planted at in every stinking match?
L - So why doesn’t redeyes IR goggles not spot phantom?
He’s immune to spot, it’s part of his kit, VERY handy. You can still see him, which fits.
Any plans on answering that? ^
They already answered it, want the video?

N - Wanna explain why the rhemburg hasnt been nerfed yet?
You have a problem with every weapon dude. Like, literally every weapon. Do I need to prove this with your own words from a different post?
O - You just like nerfing @$!# dont you?
Rhetorical question?
P - You just like ignoring your community dont you?

I got more comin…
Please spare us. Insulting people doesn’t do anything besides disgruntle them. Being clear and constant with your desired changes on multiple platforms, if more people agree, is the way to get change. Just look at the information surrounding Javelin and her changes. When Turtle came out his shield was TOO tanky, Hunter’s bow was jank af and had HUGE head hitboxes, ulu was broken in it’s weapon hit pathing, and is now fixed. I would say it’s not that they ignore their community, just that they don’t communicate all of their intentions well with the ALREADY pessimistic community. Example: Faceit taking 4(?) days to get shared as a business move without a single reference to it until it’s reveal. You are looking at ALL the negative that YOU SEE as negative (granted that a lot of it IS shared by many) and not noticing any of the stuff they DO do right.

You can’t just wave a wand as a developer and have your problems go away unless you shut down your game.

Lol somehow people still find a way to get triggered apperantly

Dreiss is one of the worst ARs, please stop denying it

Guardian recieves half hp, cant heal others or herself. Just becase she has a dome for 8 seconds just leaves the enemy more time to allow cooldowns, and the second the shield goes down, a rain of projectile will fall. You can do amazing stuff with any merc, its dirty bomb

Also, can i ask where i mentioned martyrdom? oh wait i didnt, as said, actually read shit

They need to step up, they did something good once in months, doest make up for the game

You really do find interesting ways to make an argument out of nothing

With that phantom one, yee tbh

Its obvious, but its specific position shouldnt be told, ya know, make smoke useful for objectives (im not saying redeye is useless so please calm down :))

Hes immune to spot, So basically a guy who can go invisible and pretty much instakill people should be protected from his only counter? Wow you should apply to SD

Nope, hollunds and anhuald is fine. So is m4a1, timik,hurtsall, sharc, crotzni,kek10,hochfir,blishlok,m9,simeon, etc. I just have a problem with unbalanced weapons

Your right i am pessimist, its how games improve, if i just glorify one thing what are they going to do?

[HadronZodiac]

@GatoCommodore said:
seems like L2P problem to me tbh

Seems like only thing you’re good at is going offensive without any reasoning to me tbh

[BBBadger]

Regarding Point J:

Swap to your melee weapon, and it should unmount you faster.

[kopyright]

@HadronZodiac said:
Also, can i ask where i mentioned martyrdom? oh wait i didnt, as said, actually read @$!#

It’s an example of constructive criticism. Maybe you should look that up in a dictionary.

All three of those words, actually.

[Xenithos]

@kopyright said:

@HadronZodiac said:
Also, can i ask where i mentioned martyrdom? oh wait i didnt, as said, actually read @$!#

It’s an example of constructive criticism. Maybe you should look that up in a dictionary.

All three of those words, actually.
Kudos.

“Alahuahkbar Nader” is actually what he said. Though he didn’t mention “martyrdom” alahuahkbar Nader usually refers to suicidal Nader… He should be more clear, especially if he’s going to keep talking like this.

[HadronZodiac]

@BBBadger said:
Regarding Point J:

Swap to your melee weapon, and it should unmount you faster.

Ill try it out

[HadronZodiac]

@Xenithos said:

@kopyright said:

@HadronZodiac said:
Also, can i ask where i mentioned martyrdom? oh wait i didnt, as said, actually read @$!#

It’s an example of constructive criticism. Maybe you should look that up in a dictionary.

All three of those words, actually.
Kudos.

“Alahuahkbar Nader” is actually what he said. Though he didn’t mention “martyrdom” alahuahkbar Nader usually refers to suicidal Nader… He should be more clear, especially if he’s going to keep talking like this.

alluahkbar also just refers to explosions in general, nader is that, constantly flooding every possible area with very powerful nades (with only a 6 second cooldown .-.)

[Xenithos]

Lol somehow people still find a way to get triggered apperantly
You haven’t seen me triggered yet bucko B)
Dreiss is one of the worst ARs, please stop denying it
That is an opinion. If you would see exhibit A then you would find that Dreiss is on par with most assault rifles, AND has the unique burst potential of two shot headshotting Phoenix or lower mercs to kill them. Compared to either of it’s two burst rifle brothers and it’s absolutely a better weapon.

Pair that with it’s rather fast fire rate and manageable recoil and you will have people on both sides of the fence arguing perpetually. Instead of telling me to please stop denying it, please tell me why you consider it to be such a poor AR.

Guardian recieves half hp, cant heal others or herself. Just becase she has a dome for 8 seconds just leaves the enemy more time to allow cooldowns, and the second the shield goes down, a rain of projectile will fall. You can do amazing stuff with any merc, its dirty bomb
If you’re following an objective, and your team is playing objectively and gets Fragged. Guardian has the unique ability to INSTANTLY revive everyone that was fragged in that area. Her Dome as you also already covered, does enable the EV a precious 8 seconds of travel time. If there are two Guardians, there is only a 5.5 second window for Explosives to fall in a controlled airspace. I think you’ll find that means that Guardian can pretty much stop Attack on Arty map (chapel) pretty well. I agree that it would be nice if she had some sort of healing or had an always on innate healing for herself.
Also, can i ask where i mentioned martyrdom? oh wait i didnt, as said, actually read @$!#
See my post above where I agreed with Kopyright. You also said “alauhakbar nader” which really wasn’t specific enough. Usually that term is considered alongside suicide bombers from the middle east.
They need to step up, they did something good once in months, doest make up for the game
They did something you personally claim is good, not necessarily what is good. And if people were evaluated on their success at this or that time intentionally ignoring their other faults or successes, similar to what you’re doing now, then a lot more people would be useless or successful.
You really do find interesting ways to make an argument out of nothing
I do? I thought I was discussing against most of what you claimed, and in a few different areas I agreed with you. Are you calling yourself nothing? Does your opinion mean nothing to you?
With that phantom one, yee tbh
Thanks.
Its obvious, but its specific position shouldnt be told, ya know, make smoke useful for objectives (im not saying redeye is useless so please calm down :))
That sounds like it would break certain portions of the game… I never thought you were saying redeye is useless, I was trying to confirm what you were claiming
Hes immune to spot, So basically a guy who can go invisible and pretty much instakill people should be protected from his only counter? Wow you should apply to SD
DB was never meant to be a game with hard counters, I can show you several different developer posts directly from Splash Damage. Phantom’s best counter? Your skill at seeing him and hearing him. Not only is he still visible, but also is rather easy to gun down if a team works together even a small amount.
Nope, hollunds and anhuald is fine. So is m4a1, timik,hurtsall, sharc, crotzni,kek10,hochfir,blishlok,m9,simeon, etc. I just have a problem with unbalanced weapons
Noted, though you have complained genereically: Such as unbalanced mercs that those weapons are on. “Hollunds on bunny proxies.” Have you ever complained about melee in DB at some point? I’m starting to think I mixed your claims up with someone from EU.

However, that is still a lot of weapons you DONT like, despite their overall power being quite similar to their counterparts and being balanced in different ways such as less ammo and shorter range and fire rate.

Your right i am pessimist, its how games improve, if i just glorify one thing what are they going to do?
They cough might listen to you. Games improve with consistent and constant feedback, sometimes it’s negative, sometimes it’s positive. If we don’t let developers know when they did something absolutely freaking right, then they’ll be less inclined to follow or repeat it. Example: If Breach in Path of Exile wasn’t constantly claimed as super successful, then GGG wouldn’t have investigated almost every aspect of it to see why it was so successful.

Have a good day Hadron.

[Xenithos]

[HadronZodiac]

@Xenithos said:

Dont remember saying an opinion is equal to a fact. Some are opinions, some are facts in my post, if you cant see the difference you honestly shouldnt be one the forums