Things that MUST be done.

(Lord.Eblis) #1

Hi all,

I played this game for like 100h and had fun, and I decided to buy some bundles to help the developpers.

But the fact is there are a tons of thing that are going wrong and ruining the game experience.

1/ The first an most annoying is THE PING ISSUE.
Whenever I play, I chose servers with less than 50 ping and every game, there are so many people with 300 minimum, I saw so many times 750 and 800 !!! That’s a BIG PROBLEM because when I chose servers with the less possible lag, I do it for a reason, not to have players issuing rubberbanding and literally disappearing and having advantage.
–> When we tick the <50ms the system must do something to find a server where players are mostly in the same region and have the less ping possible.

2 / The vote system is broken !
99% of the time people DO NOT PAY ATTENTION to what’s going on in the chat or the vote window. 99% of the votes are total FAIL, especially when we try to kick obvious cheaters of the most annoying AFK players.
–> Make the vote windows more visible, with more time to vote AND the obligation to put a reason for the vote.

3 / Wich brings us to the ANNOYING AFK who know that they have 99% chance of staying in the game because the votes do not succeed so they fulfill their missions.
–> AFK more than 1 minute = KICK WITH NO VOTE!

4 / Do something about the ranked matches.
I know it’s an alpha but you remove it or you make it beta, I know kinda silly to say but this part of the game is the one that interests me the most and it’s totally broken. In total I have waited like 10-15 hours to play 11 matches. that’s insane.
–> when we look for a match, DO NOT kick us when one leaves the room, let us in so we can wait for just another player or two and not starting the whole process again and again… at least in the waiting room we got to talk about how much we want to play and how much the system is broken :slight_smile:

5 / In ranked matches the one making more than 5 consecutive TK = AUTOMATIC KICK. I played rounds where team mates were killing us and of course no one payed attention to the PUNISH MESSAGE or the KICK MESSAGE.
–> make them more visible, and SEPARATED FROM THE CHAT BOX so we have more chance to see those.

I can think of other things that could be enhanced but hey… If I have those first it would be great :slight_smile:

(Ardez1) #2

@EBLIS 1. Custom servers would fix that issue :confused: However, some players don’t have a choice with it.

  1. It used to be significantly worse. At least it isn’t F1 and F2 to change characters now. I would like to see a kick reason added. That is fairly self explanatory. Nice exaggeration though. 99% yo

3.AFKs are automatically kicked. They are likely using some 3rd party program or tapping a key to stay active. 60 seconds is a bit quick for an autokick however. Things happen.

  1. It is beta. It’s a ranked population problem at this point. Simply not enough people queueing. That type of problem spirals unfortunately. I’d suggest avoiding ranked until release.

  2. In a long game you can get 5 tks easily with ff from explosives, particularly if you are not a pre-made because there will be less communication. 5 is way too low. Hell, a particularly tough match on Trainyard could see an engineer killing 5+ teammates with the C4(2 different C4 main objectives and 2 C4 side objectives). Add in an accidental airstike or sticky bomb and you get autokicked. No. I’d honestly suggest finding a pre-made. :confused: If people won’t vote then they won’t vote.

(Orivar) #3
  1. The ping problem isn’t controller by the players. It is because this game is a free to play beta with less then 2k players so the servers are bad as fuck until more people will buy sliver cases\bundles.

The ping for me was normal and sometimes jumping but since the hotfix my ping is high. People will say that my internet is bad and my CPU is overheating but no. Since the hotfix our stats weren’t saved, We had login problems for 1 week (they fixed them) and high ping. So they messed up with the servers in that hotfix to save money.

  1. Yes you are right but I dont want those fucking shuffle vote. it ruins the game so hard…

  2. I would say kick people who are 45 seconds AFK but ok.

  3. hmmm… I tried to play ranked for 2 weeks now. EVERYTIME I FIND A MATCH BUT SOMEHOW IT SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE LOBBY SO I CANT PLAY RANKED. I wont play ranked until they will fix it but hey, when there are less then 2k players playing this, who needs ranked?

  4. I would say that if a player killed their mate with WEAPONS, NOT EXPLOSIVES (C4 too) will do that:

Killing 1 friendly remove you 0 credits
Killing 2 friendly remove you 500 credits
Killing 3 friendly remove you 1k credits
Killing 4 friendly remove you 2k credits

If the player doesnt have 500 credits when he do the first kill, he will be kicked from the game and will have a 24 hour cooldown. Same if he dont have 1k or 2k when he gets to his 2,3,4 friendly kill.

(SnakekillerX) #4

I totally agree about the ping problems. I just had someone in a match become hostile at me because of my level and told me to go play somewhere else with the higher levels…
(min level servers are almost always full, and he was level 20+ himself anyway)

Meanwhile the guy has 400 ping was teleporting everywhere and was acting like a total dick, and as a player there is nothing I can do about it.

Why are these people even aloud to play on these servers? There really should be an auto-kick for high ping.

At the VERY least, you should be able to vote kick a player on any team for having a high ping. (Becomes a vote option when ping is over a certain limit)

Games biggest issues to me that don’t even seem to be getting worked on are:

  1. No high ping auto-kick.
  2. Inability to hide your level which serves as nothing but fuel for trolls and flamers.
  3. Buggy carryable objectives that still doesn’t always drop properly when scrolling to another weapon (however does seem to drop properly when right clicking?)
  4. Infinite reloading on shotguns (it doesn’t even load the shotgun while this is happening)

The first 3 of these should be very easy to implement/fix, I’ve dealt with it for years, but its really getting old to see the same old problems go unremedied.

(Lord.Eblis) #5

@Ardez

5 - About the TK I specifically said : consecutive. I had guys in team who were basically killing us in the back from the spawn to further positions.

1 - for the ping, best thing is to limit the servers in their own region. When I ask for less than 50 it means that, for me, it can only be in Europe, that would fix a lot of things.

For 1 and 5 : I am managing BF ESL servers + my platoon servers and all these parameters can be set. There are some scripts to autokick the ones who abuse tk and to limit the ping : first warning after an average ping counting, second one, 1min after it’s kick with a message from the server. It keeps the players happy about ping and hitreg.

For exemple, after I wrote my forst message, I played a round and there was : one 998 ping, 2x250+, 3x300+. The 1s ping was a sniper, I let you imagine :slight_smile:

It would be nice if player passing by here add the things that they think must be changed.
Maybe some dev will see it :slight_smile:

(straightforwardMacadamia) #6

YEAH, YOU GO ON AND TELL 'EM.

(tHONY) #7

so i live in Brazil, my ping is 200 ~ 250 Us-East, 300 ~ 350 EU and Us-West, 400+ other regions, so i wanna stop to play because of my ping? or its a game fault because they stopped to host servers in South America? those things cant be changed or they will lost alot of players.

(Dr_Plantboss) #8

@EBLIS TBH, I only agree with 2 and 3.

2: YES PLEASE do something, because votes only pass 10% of the time, and they usually have a reason.
3: Why does the system call a vote to kick when it’s automatically going to kick them 2 1/2 minutes later anyway?

(Nibbles02) #9

In the OP, Eblis said that there should be as low ping as possible, and later said that there should be a ping limit on regional servers. You said yourself that you get under 300 ping on US East servers, so why would you play on other regional servers, especially when the SA server is in Florida and is closer than any other server?

It’s not even that all servers should have a ping limit, just that a lot of them should. Also, the SA servers being in Florida is temporary, at some point they’ll be moved back.

I completely disagree with this part, I live between two server regions and sometimes only 1 server is available in either region because nobody is playing that day or everyone is asleep. There should definitely be a ping limit, somewhere between 150-400, to prevent people connecting from halfway across the world, but not to prevent people from connecting cross-region.

(B_Montiel) #10

Nexon can’t rely on the anti-lag efficiency for their server distribution. They absolutely need to put enough server regions so everyone is able to play with a ping below 100 ms in normal conditions (a.k.a. player’s responsibility to have a good ping). I’m actually staggered by the poor conditions they’re leaving big amounts of players in, even today. Step backwards in terms of server management are a common usage in video games nowadays sadly.

But that’s their own responsibility. And if they want to be the Scrooge McDuck, they have to do it at their own risk. Playing with a 150 ms ping with no other choice is not acceptable, especially in such a fast game, and further nowadays with the quality of the broadband we have worldwide and the server maintaining costs.

Once they’ve decided to improve the situation, then there’ll be space for some ping limit discussions. And this has multiple consequences, not only about rubberbanding players, but also improving quite intensively the service provided by servers through improving some settings which can’t be tied with high ping allowance.

(Teflon Love) #11

Concerning the ping, it probably would already help if the server browser by default limits the visible servers to your region and you have to enable an option to see all servers.

Also it’s kinda annoying that you have to use search expressions like “EU -8vs8 -max” to limit the servers to the interesting ones instead of having simple GUI elements to achieve the same. Maybe a tool tip/help button explaining the search language and giving a few simple examples could already help here.

(LifeupOmega) #12

The only thing I want is for the average DB player to get a fucking clue and not be a useless shit 24/7 who then screams “noobs” at the end when they’re 3/28 and 500 points.

(Lord.Eblis) #13

That’s the habit of so many players, I’m playing fps online since 1998-99 I think, and it has always been the same thing. Will never change.

About the ping I may have been a bit harsh about regions restrictions but that is the main reason we have sooooooo many high pingers, so it could solve the most part of this problem. Yes of course it’s not players fault no to have servers in their regions, but by allowing high pings, SD is ruining it’s own game UX.
I myself play on us servers sometimes, cause here in Paris, between 4 am and 6-7am there are only few servers. But if my ping exceed 80 100 max, I just leave. Not interesting, nor for me nor for my opponents.

Once I was playing, I met 3 foes in cqb, they barely touched me and I took them down, almost all headshots, in 3 or 4 seconds, “Hell, what’s happening??? I’m not that good!” —> I had like 250 ping and was playing BY MISTAKE on a Chinese server cause I forgot to put EU in the server search tab, I immediately left, not interesting. I left, by myself, cause all I care about is the UX, no need to ruin it for me or others, but in the games I join 99.999% of the high pingers don’t give a s**t about having a high ping and do not care cause they know they will never get kicked for that —> THAT’S WHY strict servers rules must be established. Like I said earlier I manage official BF4 ESL teams server + my platoon one and hell, no way I let high pingers, they are automatically kicked if they exceed 100. sometimes I lower that to like 60-75.

About the server tab interface, it would be easier to add tick boxes with options like regions EUROPE, US, MARS… so we can chose faster.

Here you can see some screenshots I took to show this problem, almost all the games I join are in that case, it just ruins the experience.

(img link http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/227399dirtybombping.jpg)

(The_N00Ba) #14

I think the Ping issue does need to be addressed at some point if it can help improve the experience for every one. The question is when…

(Jostabeere) #15

@EBLIS I don’t quite get why you think a ping of 100 is bad and leave a game. Sure, 250 upwards is laggy as hell and people should switch the region, and 988 is damn joke and those people definitely need to do something, but 100-150 is still acceptable. I played quite a few matches in US East alone and with @Xenithos and we had a lot of fun despite my ping being around 130. And I never felt useless nor was I worse because of my ping than usual.

(deftMoon) #16

the ping issue is that, 0-190 ping is acceptable and completely playable. Minimal warping and few lags. Shit starts to get intense and real crazy when ping reaches 200 and above. Now then u gonna see players behind u and in front of u at the same time. I dont understand why players get extremely mad and rage cuz cuz ping is around 150 ish. Obviously, it could be better if there was actual SA servers. But until then, SA player base will keep decreasing drastically.

(Lord.Eblis) #17

@Jostabeere @deftMoon
Of course I myself sometimes play on us (twice or 3 a day) and leave if I exceed 100 because if I do not see a lag, doesn’t mean others do not feel it when trying to hit me. Of course I played at 130-150, and last night for exemple, I didn’t see that I was at 150, it only appeared when I threw a medpack, the delay was clearly noticeable, no way, I left. I made another mistake, was looking for US servers and connected to AUS, 400 ping, dammit the rubberbanding was serious. How can the guy play with such a PING??? They stay for like 30-45 min on the same server, I could never do that!