The PDP....let's talk about it for a bit

(watsyurdeal) #1

So I’ve been running into quite a few Vasillis using this strategy as of late. Where they basically ignore Sniping in favor of an up close and personal Vasilli. You’d think that’d be pretty useless right? Well, think again.

Here’s the numbers

Damage: 45/90 on headshot
Rate of fire: 200 rpm
TTK 80 HP: 0.3
TTK 90 HP: 0.3
TTK 100 HP: 0.6
TTK 110 HP: 0.6
TTK 120 HP: 0.6
TTK 150 HP: 0.9

TTK simply means the time to kill, which is (shots to kill - 1) * firing interval)

Now you’d think, “well the recoil the fact that it has a scope should balance it right”, surprisingly, doesn’t seem to do ANYTHING. I’ve seen players contently nail people before they even get a chance to return fire, and with the rate of fire and the reload speed, coupled in with already strong secondaries…the results are quite devastating.

I’d say this deserves a good look from the devs, maybe the weapon being strong enough to kill Proxy and Aura in a single headshot, isn’t such a good idea. Maybe reducing the recoil and the damage, and making this gun to kill most classes in 2 headshots instead…would be the smartest idea. That would need to be about 38 damage, so headshots would be 76 damage.

And sorry this seems like a whino post, but seriously, people aren’t even sniping with it right now. They’re just spamming it because of how much damage it puts out.

(Fate_6) #2

Why make it worse when you can take a Dreiss. It’s a balanced weapon because you can’t hip fire

(watsyurdeal) #3

The Dreiss isn’t really relevant since Vasilli doesn’t get the gun, but thanks for not reading anything I was saying. Appreciate it.

(Szakalot) #4

PDP is the easiest to use snipa, but also the one with lowest potential. Its actually not that effective at long ranges, where instagib headshot is king, and wins games

(Gi.Am) #5

Yeah while I also noticed an uptick in use. I think it is fine. the firerate of 200 makes it quite hard to score the double headshots you need and unlike the others you need positions where the enemy is visible long enough limiting the places to snipe from.

The Hipfiring accuracy is worse then a shotgun in my experience making mid to close range blinging only possible if you do scope limiting your movement and making it very hard to keep track.

Going for the body seems what most people do but thats not gibbing so it balances itself out imo.

(Fate_6) #6

You are too eager to be a salty dog. Why take Vasilli with a nerfed PDP when you can take Dreiss on a more robust character (Arty) was what I tried to say. Way to read and not use your brain. PDP has to be balanced against other weapons. If it did less than 45 damage might as well take a Dreiss.

(watsyurdeal) #7

You are too eager to be a salty dog. Why take Vasilli with a nerfed PDP when you can take Dreiss on a more robust character (Arty) was what I tried to say. Way to read and not use your brain. PDP has to be balanced against other weapons. If it did less than 45 damage might as well take a Dreiss.[/quote]

The PDP is a Sniper Rifle, first and fore most, but the problem I was addressing is how many people simply spam it rather than actually snipe with it. They need to either nerf the rate of fire or nerf the damage, personally I’d rather it’d be the rate of fire.

It really doesn’t matter whether you’d prefer a Dreiss or not because it’s not available to Vasilli and it’s not the same class. Vasilli’s role is Recon and picks, but the PDP and the way it’s being used currently is a bit too much. It needs to be toned down a bit.

(Fate_6) #8

You are too eager to be a salty dog. Why take Vasilli with a nerfed PDP when you can take Dreiss on a more robust character (Arty) was what I tried to say. Way to read and not use your brain. PDP has to be balanced against other weapons. If it did less than 45 damage might as well take a Dreiss.[/quote]

The PDP is a Sniper Rifle, first and fore most, but the problem I was addressing is how many people simply spam it rather than actually snipe with it. They need to either nerf the rate of fire or nerf the damage, personally I’d rather it’d be the rate of fire.

It really doesn’t matter whether you’d prefer a Dreiss or not because it’s not available to Vasilli and it’s not the same class. Vasilli’s role is Recon and picks, but the PDP and the way it’s being used currently is a bit too much. It needs to be toned down a bit.[/quote]
Changing RoF is fine. Changing damage to 38 would be terrible and would mean you’d pick a class with Dreiss over picking Vasilli with PDP.

(reliableTortoise) #9

well PDP is a good alternative for aggressive snipers where the MOA cant seem to match up… but i will agree that the PDP is kinda ridiculous atm… the CQB potential with this gun is a little too powerful mabe lower the ROF to 150 would be a fine…

(briefPecan) #10

Had to go try PDP after this post, immediately got raging people in chat :smiley: And i didnt even do that well, maybe its just the knowledge that someone plays sniper class with semi-auto that drives people crazy.

On the other hand i did notice an extremely imbalanced medium range confrontation tendency with this gun, no other gun could out shoot you even with PDP bodyshots. Fraggers, skyhammers and especially the smaller characters. Blam blam blam and reload. This combined with wall hugging where you expose very little of your self, made things very easy to control.

Bolt locks cant do this, you miss and they close the distance then u ded.

(watsyurdeal) #11

Kinda my point, it’s too easy to spam, there’s not much incentive to actually, you know, aim with it and go for headshots, when 3-4 shots are enough to kill everyone.

(Szakalot) #12

there is a huge incentive to go for headshots, as headshot-kill is an instagib.

(athleticMacaw) #13

Hey everyone! :smile:

I think that the PDP is pretty spamable but it would be bad if you lower the rate of fire or dmg because I don’t think that the PDP is better than the MoA (for example).
I would like to see the KDA / Points of the snipers who “contently nail people before they even get a chance to return fire” - I am just interessted because I main Vassili.

General:
PDP is good against 3 characters: Aura, Proxy and Kira - They are all pretty fast -> not that easy to hit.

MoA is good against all characters but struggles against Aura, Proxy and Kira if your aim is not good enough to follow their movements.

Some math (hopefully right):

Let’s say you have 100% HS-rate, 0 missed shots and need 0 time to aim:
The PDP does 810 DMG with 1 Mag -> ~7,4 kills in 2,7 sec (0,3 sec per shot - DPS: 300
The MoA does 900 DMG with 1 Mag -> ~8,2 kills in 8,4 sec (1,4 sec per shot) - DPS: 107

Now: 0,5 sec to aim (between shots),100% HS-rate, 0 missed shots.
PDP: 7,4 kills in 4,5 sec - DPS: 180
MoA: 8,2 kills in 8,4 sec - DPS: 107

Now: 0,5 sec to aim, 100% HS-rate, 16,6% missed shots:
PDP 1: 6.6 kills in 4,5 sec - DPS: 160 (1 missed)
PDP 2: 5,7 kills in 4,5 sec - DPS: 140 (2 missed)
MoA: 6,8 kills in 8,4 sec - DPS: 89 (1 missed)

Now: 0,5 sec to aim, 100% HS-rate, 33,3% missed shots:
PDP: 4,9 kills in 4,5 sec - DPS: 120 (3 missed)
MoA: 5,5 Kills in 8,4 sec - DPS: 71 (2 missed)

Now: 0,5 sec to aim: 50% HS-rate, 33,3% missed shots:
PDP: 3,7 kills in 4,5 sec - DPS: 90 (3 HS)
MoA: 4,1 kills in 8,4 sec - DPS: 54 (2 HS)

What about a rifle as a comparison to PDP and MoA:
0,5 sec to aim between each kill !, 50% HS-rate, 33,3% missed shots:
M4A1 1: 4,5 kills in 5,1 sec - DPS: 96 (12 HS)
M4A1 2: 4,3 kills in 5,1 sec - DPS: 93 (11 HS)

DPS-wise the PDP and MoA are worse than the M4A1.
-> It’s wrong that the PDP out dps a rifle or at least the M4A1.
-> The PDP - specific as a sniper - you get something like a aim punch when you get hit.
-> You have to get a good feeling for the weapon (PDP) to control the recoil and aim punch to win a duel or simply better aim.

But is the PDP the best weapon for Vasilli ?
No!

  1. The PDP offers one thing: DPS but nearly(!) no 1 shot potential.
    In my calculation are a lot of things that don’t get any attention for example time to go behind a wall to cover and go back to shot.

  2. Vassili has 100 Hp and the PDP get out dpsed by a rifle so you will lose a duel if you don’t have better aim against Skyhammer / Fragger /…

  3. Vasilli has 1 special power and that’s his ability to insta gib people with a headshot. It’s way harder to use with the PDP before you die.

  4. You are slower while you scope (or do I imagine things?) which means you are an easier target than your enemy.
    -> your aim has to be better to win a duel.
    -> a Vassili with a MoA will kill you anytime before you can kill him

My conclusion (or opinion) is that Vasilli with PDP is annoying but will never reach the potential of a Vasilli with MoA. Imo the PDP sucks and I didn’t even saw a Vasilli with PDP doing great - Lol. Any nerf that I can imagine would make the gun useless.

PS: It’s pretty late here (3:30 AM) and english isn’t my first language.
-> Sorry for potentially bad english and math.

(avidCow) #14

What to do with the PDP if not spam rapid fire? If you can control the recoil you can wreck. If not, good job hitting nothing but air!

(athleticMacaw) #15

You have always 2 options:

  1. hold down / click as fast as you can the left mouse button
  2. aim at the head and shot 3-4 times - repeat

No, you don’t wreck. You will do as good as a rifle user - at best.

(Gwarh) #16

I like the PDP exactly as it is, but, I’d also lower the scopes zoom to be 1/2 in-between the other 2 slow rof sniper rifles, and iron sighting on the other guns.

I think that would lessen the chance of people spamming/hitting with head-shots with the gun.