The new Phantom isn't sneaky (and maybe change Thunder too?)

(Verticules) #21

Thunder is now viable. He has weaknesses, lack of cover causes self-bangs and a slow big target, and he no longer counters deployables.
FYI, more or less, a Flashbang Concussion would have equalled a Frag Nade Death, but You CAN still live through a concussion .

As for phantom, if you have gotten close enough for your EMP to kick in you should be initiating combat. You are doing it wrong if you pussyfoot around the enemy in close proximity long enough for them to be aware of your presence.

Reason I Kill Phantom: Hear him > See him > EMP

@Joshstylegaming did you really suggest that Thunder should have been nerf’d rather than reworked?

(Szakalot) #22

its trickier than that with thunder. You can reliably flash people for very long time at much bigger radius than frag nade. Concussion radius is also bigger than frag. Frag can instagib which is great, but unless you get a kill the person is still fighting at full capacity. Conc can completely disable a person, and blind his surrounding teammates, making it much much easier to crowd control.

I think the two are equally powerful now, except that thunder has the crazy good 1 sec fuse.

(Verticules) #23

I’d love a cook

(Cuck) #24

[quote=“Szakalot;181555”]its trickier than that with thunder. You can reliably flash people for very long time at much bigger radius than frag nade. Concussion radius is also bigger than frag. Frag can instagib which is great, but unless you get a kill the person is still fighting at full capacity. Conc can completely disable a person, and blind his surrounding teammates, making it much much easier to crowd control.

I think the two are equally powerful now, except that thunder has the crazy good 1 sec fuse.[/quote]

but if you revert it back to the fuse before the update, it will be impotent because people will run away in fuse time.
a cook would be nice like @VerticallyObese said.

(NightingaleZ0) #25

I have never been attacked by a stealthy Phantom before. Phantom is never stealthy. You always hear them a mile away. Especially when a lot of gamers including myself wear really good gaming headset that amplifies any sound. The whole Phantom has always and still is a big problem. Is he stealthy? No. Then why the cloak? It is practically useless. It takes too long to activate; it takes too long to fully stealth; it is way too loud; it is very visible; it barely tanks any damage; you cannot fire while in cloak; Phantom moves like Rhino; The EMP is to make him less useless yet still very useless none the less. Thunder is fine as is. He is pretty good but definitely not overpowered.

(NightingaleZ0) #26

Phantom as a recon, should’ve been more like Aimee. He should be agile, fast, does burst damage but fragile. His whole concept is just weird. He is slow, tanky but not tanky enough. He is suppose to stealthy but is less stealthy than proxy with good maneuver. He is just some random ninja wannabe. Good thing Kira has katana now. It basically means there is no need for Phantom to exist.

(blufflord) #27

[quote=“buffMonorail;181571”][quote=“Szakalot;181555”]its trickier than that with thunder. You can reliably flash people for very long time at much bigger radius than frag nade. Concussion radius is also bigger than frag. Frag can instagib which is great, but unless you get a kill the person is still fighting at full capacity. Conc can completely disable a person, and blind his surrounding teammates, making it much much easier to crowd control.

I think the two are equally powerful now, except that thunder has the crazy good 1 sec fuse.[/quote]

but if you revert it back to the fuse before the update, it will be impotent because people will run away in fuse time.
a cook would be nice like @VerticallyObese said.[/quote]

bruh i suggested it -_-
lel, anyways kinda interested to see how it would effect thunder with a cook time, including his new buffs

(Weekendwarrior) #28

I think Thunder can finally compete with the other assaults.

Phantom on the other hand… His E.M.P is a dead giveaway. I was busy talking to someone and wasn’t paying attention to the sound but I saw my teamates ammo station disabled, I quickly found him and shot him dead lmao. I think Phantom got a ‘rework’ rather than a nerf or buff imo. He’s getting closer to an assault and further away from recon

(joshstylegaming) #29

[quote=“VerticallyObese;181537”]
@Joshstylegaming did you really suggest that Thunder should have been nerf’d rather than reworked?[/quote]
No, I suggested that Thunder should be reverted to his original release, but slightly les health. (So and “Almost” nerf)