The Game Needs to Be Fixed

(hawkeyeguy99) #1

I’m pissed. Super pissed. I’m mad that none of the main issues I have with this game haven’t been fixed in nearly 10 months. I’m mad that ranked is still broken and rage inducing and yet is still touted as the “core of Dirty Bomb”. F that. I just qued for 30 minutes for one ranked match, having 4 games come and go through my fingers because some AFK kid doesn’t click accept for 40 seconds and then the game takes another 10 minutes to find me a match. When I finally find a match, it’s unbalanced as all get out and I get 2 leavers on my team, forcing us to either suffer through 15 minutes of being spawn camped, or surrender. I was mid-gold rank this season. I’m now one loss away from silver because I got 3 games IN A ROW with 2 leavers on my team that demoted me time after time. THIS IS BULL AND NEEDS TO CHANGE. There is no reason my SKILL RATING (aka rank) should be punished because of the rage quitters who just leave the game 3 minutes in.

The fix: Games with leavers should not be counted towards the deranking of the offending player’s team. And the leaving punishes should be doubled if not tripled. If it was isolated incidents of leavers in ranked I would understand, but it’s every other game. Clearly SD is not doing something to help prevent this.

Another reason I’m pissed: we STILL have not gotten the fix or re-work to the crafting system that we were promised almost a year ago at this point. They simply released a new, unrelated system to distract us from the fact that crafting a cobalt STILL costs 20,000 fragments and 50,000 credits. Not to mention that once the event currency goes away, there will be no way to get the new case keys by just playing the game. Keys are currently purchasable with event currency “for a limited time” which means that those skins will be locked behind a paywall come January bar some sort of change. Also the fact that more RNG on top of the already astronomical RNG in the form of “wear” is complete crap and just copying CS:GO’s form of bs.

The Fix: Combine the crafting system with the old trade-up system. Allow us the option to choose how we want to progress to the cards we want. Add a permanent 3rd currency earnable through playtime specifically used to by the new cases and keys. Put boosters in the store to boost this currency specifically and/or offer bonus packs of amount of the currency to buy cases and keys outright.

There have been strides in the right direction, I agree. Dirty Bomb has seemingly been on a great up-trend recently with new content and updates on the regular. But when your “core game mode” is still fundamentally broken and irritating as heck to play, everything else just isn’t fun.

(TheStrangerous) #2

Core of the gameplay is good, but it’s filled with vomit inducing surrounding…

“But it’s ALPHA STAGE” as apologists will say, despite presumably only 3 months left to full release?

Not to mention the “death spiral” state, DB’s currently in (lack of middle ground players between vets and newbies). And reaaaly slow balance updating… (Really 2 years and Phantom’s not fixed).
The future looks dim ATM. I really wanna be wrong and laugh at myself in the future, for all this worrying. But it doesn’t seem like it’s happening there…

(GatoCommodore) #3

yea im pretty pissed people just went AFK in matchmaking and making the matchmaking repeats over and over

if someone is AFK in matchmaking, auto-kick him to the main menu

also, live matchmaker player count would help so i dont enter ranked when there is nobody playing the ranked at the time

(Nail) #4

“The fix: Games with leavers should not be counted towards the deranking of the offending player’s team. And the leaving punishes should be doubled if not tripled. If it was isolated incidents of leavers in ranked I would understand, but it’s every other game. Clearly SD is not doing something to help prevent this.”

not sure if that would even be possible, leaver could be smurf, cohort… too hard to judge imo

(TheStrangerous) #5

What a twisted fate…

I love DB’s core gameplay, as opposed to 4thKnight.
But I admire 4thKnight’s surroundings, as opposed to DB’s…

(PorkyPerson) #6

@Nail said:
“The fix: Games with leavers should not be counted towards the deranking of the offending player’s team. And the leaving punishes should be doubled if not tripled. If it was isolated incidents of leavers in ranked I would understand, but it’s every other game. Clearly SD is not doing something to help prevent this.”

not sure if that would even be possible, leaver could be smurf, cohort… too hard to judge imo

I think the logic is it could be abused. On the other hand, plenty of things with ranked have been abused. At this point I could care less if a minority abuses it to effectively nullify games(not like they’d get wins or even ranked points) if it also cleaned up the garbage games.

They could also base rank on performance, not so heavily on win/loss ratio. The current system might work if there were a million players and every match had 10 players of the exact same rank, but Dirty Bomb will probably never have enough players to get 10 at the same rank in a reasonable time.

(Mc1412013) #7

Lately ive been getting alot of the same leavers in cmm as well finaly get into a match then have to wait for a new match to come together or i usualy get placed into a match thats 85% finished

Though one of those matches were 90% noobs and almost top scored(team i was placed only) with phantom dont know how i did that in 5 min

(bgyoshi) #8

Give up on Ranked

If you’re pissed it hasn’t changed in 10 months, you’ll be even more pissed to hear it hasn’t truly changed in 2 1/2 years. The only differences from S4 Ranked and OG Competitive is that leaving a match incurs harsher penalties.

That’s it.

So please, stop trying to play it. I don’t care if you like it, I don’t care if it’s the only thing you play in DB, just stop. They only keep Ranked as it is because it has players. Ignore the crappy skins, ignore the shiny trinkets, ignore the cheesy little rank icon that only you get to see in your profile. As long as people play it, Ranked will not change.

(B_Montiel) #9

Currently, without community servers, my biggest concern is the lack of min level servers and the overall quality of servers in Europe right now. Both actually hurt the game a lot, as veterans tend to be quite touchy on those subjects and generally not very fond of ranked stuff in this game.

(hawkeyeguy99) #10

@bgyoshi said:
Give up on Ranked

If you’re pissed it hasn’t changed in 10 months, you’ll be even more pissed to hear it hasn’t truly changed in 2 1/2 years. The only differences from S4 Ranked and OG Competitive is that leaving a match incurs harsher penalties.

That’s it.

So please, stop trying to play it. I don’t care if you like it, I don’t care if it’s the only thing you play in DB, just stop. They only keep Ranked as it is because it has players. Ignore the crappy skins, ignore the shiny trinkets, ignore the cheesy little rank icon that only you get to see in your profile. As long as people play it, Ranked will not change.

So if a gamemode is broken we are just supposed to accept it and do other things? I’d rather advocate for change and give it a chance when they supposedly fix certain things like they said they did this season. I’ll admit, a large amount of the reason I played so much ranked this season is because Javelin is banned from the gamemode and I just got so tired of playing against that cancer.

(bgyoshi) #11

@hawkeyeguy99 said:

So if a gamemode is broken we are just supposed to accept it and do other things? I’d rather advocate for change and give it a chance when they supposedly fix certain things like they said they did this season. I’ll admit, a large amount of the reason I played so much ranked this season is because Javelin is banned from the gamemode and I just got so tired of playing against that cancer.

No, continue to advocate for change! But when change doesn’t happen, as has categorically been the norm for Ranked, then don’t patronize it. Play it to try out the “changes”, then quit when the changes you’re advocating for aren’t there.

I will play Ranked, some day, but only when the changes I want and have been advocating for are implemented. If that’s never, then I never will, and I’ll stick to casual mode.

In the end, I get to play DB, and Ranked continues to have at least one less player.

And if you like Ranked, then great. But you know, all they care about is the combination of player count and feedback. If a few people are all saying “Rank us based on personal skill not team performance” but Ranked has more players this seasons than last season, they aren’t going to go through the effort to make that change. If Ranked population stays steady, they aren’t going to make those changes either. They’ll only make real change to the game mode when the population is unsustainably low. They want Ranked to succeed, so if they see that hardly anyone is playing it, then they’ll focus more on the feedback and less on the stats.

So be part of the stats that drop the amount of players in Ranked. That’s the only way to get real change.

(Da_Mummy) #12

Playing ranked with a friend

  1. I get kicked for “cheating” (I wasn’t) with a 25/15 KD and can play again 20 Minutes later
    Downrank
  2. We get matched, right at the start of the game everybody except us two and ONE opponent gets kicked and can’t rejoin so we play 2v1
  3. Third match and all of our opponents leave and after 60s we win
    UPRANK
    WHAT EVEN IS THIS GAMEMODE
    Overall I am sorry SD but ranked is literally just a 5v5 Stopwatch PUB with unnecessary teamcollision at this point.
(StIwY) #13

@Da_Mummy said:
Playing ranked with a friend

  1. I get kicked for “cheating” (I wasn’t) with a 25/15 KD and can play again 20 Minutes later
    Downrank
  2. We get matched, right at the start of the game everybody except us two and ONE opponent gets kicked and can’t rejoin so we play 2v1
  3. Third match and all of our opponents leave and after 60s we win
    UPRANK
    WHAT EVEN IS THIS GAMEMODE
    Overall I am sorry SD but ranked is literally just a 5v5 Stopwatch PUB with unnecessary teamcollision at this point.

If you get nervous fast, and just want a 100% win-loss ratio, then ranked is not for you, BUT, seems like you and your friend were very unlucky. I only play ranked, basically (150+hours already) and except some ranting kids and leavers, i never had these problems. Overall i can say an enjoyable experience until now.

Yes, some matches could be very unbalanced yet, sometimes i get stomped with the team and get paired with noobs, again on next matchmaking, even x3 times in a row…could happen…but mostly are fine, more or less balanced or close / intense matches.

There is one thing which makes me salty…when match is hopeless but braindead’s team don’t vote for surrender, forcing us to get spawnkilled until time runs out. Very frustrating, even more then an unbalanced match.

(binderr) #14

Sadly crafting system aint going no where, they did mention it, keeping 20k fragments for cabolt with 50k credit and also for gold. I’m honestly not happy with with this whole weapon skin system like cs;go. seems like they’re just adding more rng, just look at the weapon case rarity (1.1%) for cabolt skins. does this mean weapon cases are now the new high tear goods rather than elite cases!?

(Muddy Muddy Mud Nade) #15

@binderr said:
Sadly crafting system aint going no where, they did mention it, keeping 20k fragments for cabolt with 50k credit and also for gold. I’m honestly not happy with with this whole weapon skin system like cs;go. seems like they’re just adding more rng, just look at the weapon case rarity (1.1%) for cabolt skins. does this mean weapon cases are now the new high tear goods rather than elite cases!?

Pretty much. I still don’t have that big of a problem with the weapon cards thing, though, they don’t really take anything away from the game, other than that making it harder to equip a damn trinket.

(phobiatic) #16

I’m so disappointed with the last few patches. Most of them made the game experience worse for me to a point I just don’t enjoy the game anymore.

After a long time I finally reached gold rank again but now I’m always in a 40min queue… So was not worth it. If i get a match i end up with 2-3 not ranked because not enough players and they just leave halfway the round, so it’s always a loss. I no longer play ranked since not worth the waiting or even the team balance ruins the fun.

The new deck system add noting to the game, It is just a very bad integration for the weapon skins, why i can only use 1 trinket / deck and just 1 skin / deck… I can’t use any of those anymore on a different merc deck. Love the idea of weapon skins but this is not a useful system for anyone.

The weapon balance feels so bad after the “balance patch”.

  • Snipers are at a decent spot, not too strong but enough to make a punch. Maybe Fel-ix need a small bit of love, now the MoA is top choice unless you play Aimee. Than even is the PDP a better choice over Fell-ix.
  • Stark 3burst just became useless with the spread at range, any AR outperform it at any range.
  • M4 is in a good spot compared to stark.
  • grandeur is nerfed too much, PDP outperform it in any way that there’s no use to the gun.
  • Shotguns, well lets not talk about them, their the new snipers of the game. No clue why they needed more range, its a close combat weapon that now does max dmg up to medium range. Even with a good aim you hardly win from shotguns since no penalty for jumping and bunny hopping. While there is for any other gun since you need to be a lot more accurate.
  • Still don’t know why nader can have so many nades with that high damage and splash. Would be nice to have it lowered to 3 / mag or reduce the max dmg radius by a lot so they don’t instant kill low hp mercs with just splash damage. It is meant to suppress an area and not to instant kill mercs.
  • Rhino mini-gun has way too high of an accuracy, its meant to be used as a suppression and not as a long range accurate mini-gun as it is now. You die from 1 dmg tick while he hit you over 8 times, prob another hit detection issue.
  • Still don’t know why proxy have no delay on her mine before she can shoot it. A simple 1.5s activation time would solve the issue, she no longer can suicide rush and gib multiple players without having a chance to fight back.

Most upset thing is how many more bugs we got lately and how few good changes.

  • Proxy mine is bugged and wont explode by other explosions.
  • You can explode your mine even if it is disabled(phantom), you can’t do that to the enemy mine if it is disabled.
  • Hit register is so delayed lately, have a lot of 1vs1 fights where we both have good ping but still i die around corners or from delay bullets that show through walls.
  • More frequently i see high ping players in my games what is really frustrated since you can’t do anything about it.
  • Still no ping limit in ranked or public games. At least add it so players have to select their region and filter from there. Now it’s a gamble what region you end up in with ranked / public.
  • Still waiting for the ranked score board to be added to public games.
  • No merc limit / team, would be nice to limit amount of same merc / team to 2. It get really unbalanced once you add for example 3-4 naders to a team, this surely is an issue once those mercs get into the free rotation.
(Da_Mummy) #17

@StIwY
I don’t actually give a lot about my win loss ratio. I have reached Gold this season and I’m happy with it.
But I don’t want to wait half an hour in front of my PC just to play a pointless round of Stopwatch when half the time it’s either a roll for one team or a broken 3v1 or something.
No offence but I just don’t like ranked as it is and as drasticall as @bgyoshi sounded I don’t think that ranked is going to change that much.
And honestly if want a toxic community with raging kiddies in Matchmaking, broken servers and overpriced idiotic skins I go of to play Counter Strike :smile:

(Mc1412013) #18

@Da_Mummy said:

I don’t actually give a lot about my win loss ratio. I have reached Gold this season and I’m happy with it.
But I don’t want to wait half an hour in front of my PC just to play a pointless round of Stopwatch

At least it was a ranked match. Tried playing lawbreakers for the first time since beta and 20 min in a pregame warm up for a pub match waiting for players.

(watsyurdeal) #19

What needs fixing, is that attitude bruh

(StIwY) #20

@phobiatic said:

  • Rhino mini-gun has way too high of an accuracy, its meant to be used as a suppression and not as a long range accurate mini-gun as it is now. You die from 1 dmg tick while he hit you over 8 times, prob another hit detection issue.

Rhino is still pretty useless on high lvl matches, very situational merc, and very sensible to latency-reflexes of player. Minigun bullet’s spread is fine, didn’t changed much since last time tho, tiny buff…hard to notice. Doing suppression fire at long range is still a suicide, without any healing station.