The Future of Equipment Cases

(GatoCommodore) #21

@Terminal_6 said:
I don’t even know how to play blackjack but isn’t gambling about the chance to get more out than what you put in initially? What you put in is time and/or money. What you get out is a loadout. DB’s loadouts can’t even be traded, let alone sold, (yet) so I don’t see how it’s gambling.

But maybe the rules are changing. These lootbox-centric games like CSGO and SWBF2 are muddying the waters.

in the newest video they were talking about the lootbox, and they have some news to be brought up on next week relating to trading up

(Nail) #22

you can’t gamble with yourself

(FalC_16) #23

Major problem with SWBF2 is that its not free to play. On top of that there is a standard edition and deluxe edition which both are the same, but deluxe edition offers major advantage with pre unlocked weapons and star cards. Thus those who paid more at the beginning have an advantage in the game.

Forcing people to mindlessly grind the game for 40 hrs just to unlock Darth vader is feckin ridiculous considering you already paid 60€ !! The lootboxes were also giving you great advantage to get better abilities in combat.

In DB you dont have to spend a cent and can enjoy the game with skyhammer and aura who both are very decent mercs. Getting bronze cards for them was never easier.

I say screw companies like EA and Wargaming, money grabbing greedy bastards.

(aminuseternal) #24

@Nail Hey there are some pretty high stakes in solitare :wink:

Anyways, it’s going to be interesting to see whats going to be coming up in the future with the announcement that came up in the latest vid.

(Runeforce) #25

@Nail said:
it’s not gambling if there’s nothing to WIN
in CS:GO and SWBF2 there’s the ability to buy and SELL items,and item you obtain for x dollars can be resold for 10x dollars, that’s where the “gambling” part is. DB doesn’t have that, not gambling

The discussion is about ethics and moral. If you refuse to discuss that, why partake in the discussion?

(Artyrim) #26

Seems like you never have seen a true gambling game . Try some mmos like l2 xD

(Nail) #27

@EB7D6B26E341 said:

@Nail said:
it’s not gambling if there’s nothing to WIN
in CS:GO and SWBF2 there’s the ability to buy and SELL items,and item you obtain for x dollars can be resold for 10x dollars, that’s where the “gambling” part is. DB doesn’t have that, not gambling

The discussion is about ethics and moral. If you refuse to discuss that, why partake in the discussion?

nope, OP states “determining if lootboxes are gambling” " it is becoming a legal issue"
gambling, not “ethics” and “morals”

(CombatMist) #28

@GatoCommodore said:

in the newest video they were talking about the lootbox, and they have some news to be brought up on next week relating to trading up

Good point. Until this thread I wasnt sure what they were hinting at. This makes sense though. Maybe they are finally changing the rng loot card draw system for 1 people dont hate. Change it from a pack of cards for a card game to something that works better and makes more sense.

(Nail) #29

salt rakes may be needed, crying towels for sure
o:)

(HammerOfDawn21) #30

@FalC_16 said:
Major problem with SWBF2 is that its not free to play. On top of that there is a standard edition and deluxe edition which both are the same, but deluxe edition offers major advantage with pre unlocked weapons and star cards. Thus those who paid more at the beginning have an advantage in the game.

Forcing people to mindlessly grind the game for 40 hrs just to unlock Darth vader is feckin ridiculous considering you already paid 60€ !! The lootboxes were also giving you great advantage to get better abilities in combat.

In DB you dont have to spend a cent and can enjoy the game with skyhammer and aura who both are very decent mercs. Getting bronze cards for them was never easier.

I say @$!# companies like EA and Wargaming, money grabbing greedy @$!#.

This, when a F2P does it, it doesn’t look bad but when a full priced game does it, especially if there is a paywall on day 1 after you pay $60 for the game is just unacceptable. They should atleast try to be subtle and release a new brand DLC on week 2.

(Nail) #31

@FalC_16 said:
Major problem with SWBF2 is that its not free to play. On top of that there is a standard edition and deluxe edition which both are the same, but deluxe edition offers major advantage with pre unlocked weapons and star cards. Thus those who paid more at the beginning have an advantage in the game.

Forcing people to mindlessly grind the game for 40 hrs just to unlock Darth vader is feckin ridiculous considering you already paid 60€ !! The lootboxes were also giving you great advantage to get better abilities in combat.

In DB you dont have to spend a cent and can enjoy the game with skyhammer and aura who both are very decent mercs. Getting bronze cards for them was never easier.

I say @$!# companies like EA and ## Wargaming, money grabbing greedy @$!#.

SD works as designers with Wargaming now, fwiw

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(GatoCommodore) #32
(FalC_16) #33

@Nail said:

@FalC_16 said:
Major problem with SWBF2 is that its not free to play. On top of that there is a standard edition and deluxe edition which both are the same, but deluxe edition offers major advantage with pre unlocked weapons and star cards. Thus those who paid more at the beginning have an advantage in the game.

Forcing people to mindlessly grind the game for 40 hrs just to unlock Darth vader is feckin ridiculous considering you already paid 60€ !! The lootboxes were also giving you great advantage to get better abilities in combat.

In DB you dont have to spend a cent and can enjoy the game with skyhammer and aura who both are very decent mercs. Getting bronze cards for them was never easier.

I say @$!# companies like EA and ## Wargaming, money grabbing greedy @$!#.

SD works as designers with Wargaming now, fwiw

B)

Ikr, that is why I mentioned wargaming as a prime example of greediness…I spent too much time and money on WoT and left it with disgust several months ago.

(acrobaticBudgie) #34

@FalC_16 said:
Ikr, that is why I mentioned wargaming as a prime example of greediness…I spent too much time and money on WoT and left it with disgust several months ago.

WoT doesn’t have a lootbox system and while some argue that it’s p2w, it’s usually those players who have paid only to find they don’t have an advantage because of it.

As for DB, which is what this thread is about, I can see why they’d want to rethink the current system. I purchased a Javelin pack and thought I was lucky to have drawn a SHAR-C loadout card. That sort of random draw feels wrong when you’ve spent over £10 on a single merc.

The crafting system is also pretty poor - earn lots of credits and build up your fragments in order to get a 1-in-9 chance of obtaining the loadout you want. Yes, you can simply buy the bronze version and have all the benefits which you’d get otherwise but where there’s an element of chance you’re going to get people calling that gambling.

(FalC_16) #35

I think gold ammo in WoT is very much p2w considering WG’s politics about releasing heavily armored vehicles, but lets not go offtopic.

DB’s cases are really about vanity and do not provide any advantage whatsoever. 165 fragments and 1500 gold is super cheap in my view.

(aminuseternal) #36

@GatoCommodore Nice video, its interesting to see how different countries are handling it so far.

Also SD is with Wargaming now? I’ve been gone for probably over a year now so when did that happen and why?

Oh god I forgot about WoT and the premium ammo.

#37

They partnered up to work on new projects.