Before It was a weapon that required skill, now…well you see where it is now.
Your thoughts?
The Dreiss
poiSon
(poiSon-)
#1
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#4
[quote=“NoOne;32449”]Before It was a weapon that required skill, now…well you see where it is now.
Your thoughts?[/quote]
its actually on par with the rest of the rifles now…
Eox
(Eox)
#5
It was way too imprecise before. Now it’s decent. I don’t get how giving more stability to a weapon makes it unskilled.
poiSon
(poiSon-)
#6
I mean by the fact that you can out dps a class that is focused on doing damage (fragger, nader) just by hitting the body all the time. And when I said before I meant by before this latest update (summer squash part 2). Seriously it can’t be just me that I or someone else that uses the dreiss can single handedly just do dps literally there is no point of a secondary dps character if you play a character like Kira or arty. I feel like the rpm should be reduced to prevent the spam, it seriously feels like we are going back to the burst rifles pre nerfs.
Eox
(Eox)
#7
Let’s see…
27 damage with a 300 RPM. 27 * 300/60 = 135 dps… Well that’s a bit high in theory indeed. It’s the same DPS than K-121 after all.
(source : http://dirtybomb.wikia.com/wiki/Dreiss_AR)
I still think it’s fine so far though. Better give it some time and see how it’s going.
poiSon
(poiSon-)
#8
That’s the thing, the K-121! And let’s not get started with the fact that you need to control k-121 quite well if you wish to use it at a distance.
…But I suppose you’re right, lets give it some time before we start chasing after it with pitchforks. 
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#9
[quote=“NoOne;205414”]That’s the thing, the K-121! And let’s not get started with the fact that you need to control k-121 quite well if you wish to use it at a distance.
…But I suppose you’re right, lets give it some time before we start chasing after it with pitchforks. [/quote]
K-121 is automatic
Dreiss is Semi-Auto
K-121 has 55 rounds in the gun
Dreiss Has 20
K-121 excel at spraying small mercs in close range while get the plus from being a tank
Dreiss excel at medium to long range (which people need to aim) while get the plus from being mobile.
2 different weapon that serve 2 different purpose with 2 different playstyle.
but Dreiss also good in close range!
it depends on the player skill.
but i got steamrolled by Dreiss
i steamroll Dreiss with Kek-10
ThunderZsolt
(ThunderZsolt)
#10
Looking at DPS numbers is cool and all, but the 27 damage is a really bad number.
3 bodyshots = 81 damage, Aimee, Kira and Proxy survives with 9 HP
4 bodyshots / double HS = 108 dmg, Bushwacker, Fletcher, Phantom, Sawbonez and Vassili all survive with 2 HP (this is the most annoying)
5 bodyshots = 135 dmg, Fragger has 5 more HP
6 bodyshots / triple HS = 162, Thunder has 8 more HP
Considering these values, you can see that the gun better be able to spam bullets bloody quick if you plan to win a duel. overall 10 of the 19 mercs need +1 shot for less than 10 HP, so you are forced to overkill them - in the end, the Dreiss is a 20mag DE .50 with better fire rate and range, which is underpowered for a primary weapon if something.
Also all fire supports have rifles (including stark AR and BR-16) which out DPS all LMGs and Nader’s SMGs, don’t know what’s your point with the Dreiss. Fragger and Thunder has them too.
LMGs could use a buff imo, but that is another topic, and Nader is powerful enough with SMGs, no need to give her rifles.
jooshoyes
(hoyes)
#11
As people fail to understand, dps is a worse statistic to judge than btk (bullets to kill). As @starElephant explained, 27 is a very awkward number, as it does not have a rounded shots to kill, as it is not a factor of any on the hp values present in the game, which means there are a lot of shots that are required to kill for the dreiss for just a semi-auto weapon, but the dps would suggest it would be one of the best weapons in the game. Btk leads to the result of ttk when paired with Rof, not dps, thus making it so btk is much, much, much more important than dps could show.
Again the lmgs being the point here with their dps being massive, but their actual performance being sub-par.
Dawnlazy
(Dawnlazy)
#12
[quote=“Jokder;205997”]As people fail to understand, dps is a worse statistic to judge than btk (bullets to kill). As @starElephant explained, 27 is a very awkward number, as it does not have a rounded shots to kill, as it is not a factor of any on the hp values present in the game, which means there are a lot of shots that are required to kill for the dreiss for just a semi-auto weapon, but the dps would suggest it would be one of the best weapons in the game. Btk leads to the result of ttk when paired with Rof, not dps, thus making it so btk is much, much, much more important than dps could show.
Again the lmgs being the point here with their dps being massive, but their actual performance being sub-par.[/quote]
K-121’s 17 damage is also in an awkward spot. Dealing 119 damage to a 120hp merc is incredibly annoying.
LifeupOmega
(LifeupOmega)
#13
[quote=“NoOne;32449”]Before It was a weapon that required skill, now…well you see where it is now.
Your thoughts?[/quote]
You haven’t been around long if you think this gun is in any way OP, it’s still worse than it originally was.
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#14
Full Auto weapons being more consistent because there are this thing called hitbox.
mercs like proxy has smaller hitbox that reduces the chance of other player hitting her if she strafing or running away.
With Full Auto pumping more bullets, your chance to hit her also get higher.
but with semi auto, gaps between each shot makes it less consistent.
so no. dreiss wont be as good as M4 or Timik. Dreiss is marksman rifle.
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#16
highest dps but hard to hit is worthless.
Automatics are more versatile and more consistent.
dreiss having a rapid fire like function to counter mercs that came to ranges that are too close for comfort.
people would still pick up M4 and timik over dreiss.
you know, during the falkland war, british and argentina forces has the same standard weapon and ammunition. The weapon is generally considered completely uncontrollable during fully automatic fire so the british phased out the Full Auto function from the british FAL rifles.
You know what happen?
British soldiers trade their FALs for captured Argentine models that still had the full-auto function intact.
its better to have automatic function because it is jack of all trade.
“The Right Arm Of The Free World”
Thai-San
(Thai-San)
#17
I love the Dreiss and I really like semi auto, but still: I’d use Full auto / burst fire instead of the Dreiss any time. Just like @sweetColumn said:
[quote=“sweetColumn;207922”]highest dps but hard to hit is worthless.
Automatics are more versatile and more consistent.
its better to have automatic function because it is jack of all trade.[/quote]
My aiming is farm from on point so when there’s a Proxy or Kira walljumping my way I have a really hard time landing my shots while a full-auto rifle has the ability to just spray her way.
I think it’s mostly training and getting used to it and with enough skill it can be one of the best weapons in the game. But since most people don’t have that skill dps doesn’t matter, people will use ARs and SMGs.
JJMAJR
(JJMAJR)
#18
Highest DPS but an acceptable TTK is just not there.
Assault rifles (with selective fire and all the fixings) were first developed by Nazis, by the way. Sniper rifles are closer to that little “right arm of the free world” slogan. The Soviets might have the VSS but we have the Chey-Tac and the SIG SG 500 S.
Submachine guns and grenade launchers were more commonly used by individuals who expect to be firing on their own people or using those weapons against low-tier terrorists. Those things are jokes for military personnel.
And don’t get me started on the AK-47.
In conclusion: if you have a weapon that doesn’t care if you can aim, it’s not likely going to be used very often in total war. It’s perfect/okay for things like assassinations and law enforcement, but not much else.
And chemical weapons, possibly the one thing grenade launchers could be good at, aren’t used in war because those things are war crime material.
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#19
[quote=“JJMAJR;208018”][/quote]
“The Right Arm Of The Free World” is a name given to the weapon FNH FAL since there was at a time an ideological war know as the cold war where two faction “Western” and the “East” fought in Arms race and Etc.
The Soviets have AK-47. A post WWII weapon platform that uses intermediate rifle cartridge which everyone in the post WWII havent use (most militaries still use Full-power battle rifle cartridge)
The NATO countries also developed weapon platform that uses intermediate rifle cartridge its called FN FAL (which are not used by USA later) which is also called “The Right Arm Of The Free World” because they think that the non East Bloc is is Free world.
Right now Submachinegun and Grenade rifles are getting phased out, thats why its getting retirered in the militaries. Why would use Pistol round submachinegun if you can use Rifle Round Submachine gun? thats why in this more modern times, special operators gets more compact rifle that can do Submachinegun role (CQB and Vehicle crew Arms) but still effective at defeating kevlar vests and Steel plates, able to shoot rapidly and effective at ranges higher than standard pistol cartridges.
and grenade launchers and grenade rifles will be replaced with Airburst Technology
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Flickr_-_The_U.S.Army-_Testing_the_new_XM-25_weapon_system.jpg
A weapon that doesnt care if you can/cant aim/ shoot is EXACTLY the weapon the people should use.
how many times do you think AK47 been used in a Revolution war?
Militia in Syria right now uses AK47 capable of select fire and not Semi-Auto weapons because why?
because it has the capability of firing Full-Auto and the most reliable, cheap, and easy to fix even for a farmer.
Conscripts in Total war mostly dont know how to shoot and in this modern times, Infantry are often used as suppressing fire and not really equipped to shoot targets ranged 500+ meters. Thats why Full Autos are more of a choice.
why do you think world superpower loves Nuclear missile?
because they dont have to depend on people and their rifles to kill an entire country.
there is no such thing as war-crime if you win.