Summer Squash

(The_N00Ba) #21

Cool thanks for the update Exedore.

(Sithas) #22

[quote=“Exedore;31717”]
We know that you want fresh content to sink your teeth into, but we hope you agree that improving the foundation of the game is essential before we can build more on top of it. [/quote]
I disagree, bugs have never bothered me nor did it ruin my game experience. Playing on same 6 maps over and over and over THAT is wat is ruining my joy i got out of this game. I understand that it takes a lot off time to make a good map, but seriously proper content updates(not reskin events with a rare chance of actually getting it) are so rare i could make a world trip on foot, and then when i come home i would still find dirty bomb in the exact state as before i left. I know you dont like it, but seriously ask the communly to help with new maps, you have a friendly playerbase with people that dont mind helping you guys out.

(Tanker_Ray) #23

August Fine Tuning for

Proper weapon balance like buffing MK.46.

Proper merc balace like buffing Bush and nerfing Thunder’s conc CD to at least 20 sec. Especially do something with Proxy’s mine spam.

Please. I can still wait for new contents like Dockyard if the basic balance is fixed anytime soon beforw anything fresh comes up.

(MilkyBear) #24

I know that improving the game is more important, but a part of me still want Turtle so bad, it has been too long. :frowning:

(NightfIy) #25

Great news all round.

Only one question from me; do we have any further info on the Weapon Kits being used for crafting?

I’ve done all my dusting already and have been sat on a load of Fragments in the hopes that more info on how to obtain Weapon Kits would be released. I just want to go for getting my cards in the almighty Swiss Red but would rather my chances are down to 1 in 3 (if I’m not fussy about the specific loadout card). As far as I’m aware the only way to obtain them is through Arsenal Crates and it requires an obscene amount to pick a weapon of choice currently and I have a whopping ZERO in my possession right now sob

(EverythingElse) #26


If this secretly means stab them or yell at them for not reviving and playing vass, Im doing great!

(geronimoooo) #27

So basically, I should not use recycling system until end of august and after that I should not use rececling system until you decide to do that kind of temporary change again. Thanks for warning :slight_smile:

(enigmaplatypus) #28

I agree that fixing bugs and making performance better is something that needs to take top priority. I know several people who used to get like 200+ frames when playing the game and now only get 30-60 frames. I also know many people who only get 20 frames (myself included till i got a new computer). So this is something that desperately needs to be fixed :slight_smile: I hope that they will be able to fix a majority of peoples performance issues because it is really starting to make people not enjoy playing the game, and thus leaving the game.

in terms of crafting thank you for giving us a warning a month or so in advance. I view the event of lowering crafting costs and increasing recycling yields is kind of a decent way to make it up to people (more or less, depending on person).

finally no 1 hour credit boosters from leveling up! and the other awful “rewards” are removed too, that makes me so happy :3 It is incredibly frustrating to work so hard to level up and then get 5 cases or a 1 hour credit booster. weapon kits are still a bit too rare for my liking but maybe that will change soon. by the way when will these things be removed? like whats the ballpark for removing them?

the change of booster prices is welcomed, i know most people don’t buy them and never will but for those who do i think this is a good change. I think most people who would consider buying one either want them to… play comp, buy a new merc faster, use them on double/triple credit weeks/weekends or just to support the developers without breaking the bank.

thank you for letting execution mode rest for awhile. To be honest i know very few people who actually enjoy that mode, or play it without missions. Most people play dirty bomb for objective or stopwatch mode, and i know many people felt a bit short changed that gallery came out first and not dockyard.

some side notes: yay! no more killer paper! never before did i think i would say that sentence and actually mean it. i think that recycling yields should be increased even just by as little as 5 points added to each recycling value. currently the new system feels much more grindy than the old one and raising the yields of cards could really help. that’s just how it feels, it may be the same costs or even cheaper but it feels worse than the old system to many players. or another way to fix it would be to decrease the credit costs, i mean 50k for a card!? you can buy mercs for less money. as for what to do after you fix the performance issues, bugs, etc. you could in the future have a similar event to the containment war, where you release dockyard and turtle at once, and have cool skins like the CW event. (may be a bad idea, i just thought i would voice it).

and the biggest thing of all… CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY :smiley: people did/still continue to feel like they aren’t being listened to, keep listening and gain the communities faith again. Show us that you are listening and not ignoring us. People have been quieting the game because they feel things are not getting better and that developers were not listening to the community, this is open beta after all, your community is your greatest asset and your players can tell you what they want/need. You have a big task to gain people’s trust again but you can do it. keep listening, keep communicating, and keep your priorities focused :smiley:

(bushyg) #29

Why couldn’t you just including Recycling and Crafting in with Trading up and Trade ins? Surely it couldn’t be that hard to have both.

“Por que no los dos?”

(Orivar) #30

Oh my. You really listened to the forums this time. 18 hour credit booster is so CHEAP but I wont buy it because I dont need credits :wink:

I really thank you for those changes, I really hope that I would get some weapon kits in those cases :smiley:

(frostyvampire) #31

[quote=“THUNDA;197684”]August Fine Tuning for

Proper weapon balance like buffing MK.46.

Proper merc balace like buffing Bush and nerfing Thunder’s conc CD to at least 20 sec. Especially do something with Proxy’s mine spam.

Please. I can still wait for new contents like Dockyard if the basic balance is fixed anytime soon beforw anything fresh comes up.[/quote]

@THUNDA
I agree on balancing mercs and weapons but I think Thunder’s cooldown should stay as it is now but instead bring back EMP effect and change the concussion so if you look away from the grenade the concussion effect is lowered

For Proxy, just make unarmed mines (and maybe EMP’d mines too) do only 50% damage

Let’s hope they do something about it

(BulletKin) #32

What an amazingly empty platitude. It literally ignores every single complaint and apologizes for something tangentially related at best.

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(I was in a certain way prepaired to this, cause, in the past, i saw other dev teams make the same thing.)
What we expected was an admission that the new system is wrong, or at least that has something wrong.
Raziel said in a livestream <<yes, we know about the values […] we can’t make them low at the start to raise them only if we find them being too low, we have to do the opposite>>

The damn post starts sayin << we feel that we need to be transparent about what we feel were some mis-steps on our part and how we’re going to do things a bit differently in the future>>
And what we read is that “the problem is that you didn’t talked about it earlier”?
Seriously? Seriously???
How can you f**kin think that talking about it earlier would have made it right?
You say that you want to be trasparent, so, apparently, nowadays being “transparent” means you don’t talk about the worst problem, even if it has become an elephant in the room.

How can you ignore it, when there’s even a post in general discussion where there’re only 11 votes for the new system and 97 against it?
How can you be so dishonest and deceitful with us?

And to add insult to injury: the last-week-of-august event!
As a “way of an apology and a gesture of goodwill” it was ok, but then we read this: <<We realise that this won’t address everybody’s concerns completely>>
WHAT? Are you really sayin you think this can adress concerns of somebody?
This is a FUCKIN sop!
…not a solution to the real problem!
You 're giving us fkin brioches for a week when we asked for our right to have bread all year.
This is only to try to calm down the discontent . The system and all that is wrong in it remains…and future players that will start with DB after that week can go f**k themselves, right?

I feel so kidded and disappointed.

(ArsonistCow) #33

Smooth kindly informed people about how the base credit gain works on Reddit. I’m gonna post this info here and my own comment on the info so that nobody misses out:


[quote=Smooth][list][] The base credit earn rate is 12/min (it is less if a server has fewer than 10 players)
[] Completing a match and losing (spent the most time on losing team) gives you a +10% bonus to earnings
[] Completing a match and winning (spent the most time on winning team) gives you a +30% bonus
[] Completing a match and having the highest XP on the server gives you a +20% bonus
[] This linearly scales across the entire server:
[] The player at the bottom gets +0%
[] The player in the middle gets +10% etc…
[] Ranked plays gives a flat 2x multiplier to the base rate[/list]

So the ‘average’ player who wins/loses 50/50 and comes middle of the table will be getting +30% bonus (additive +20% for winning/losing and +10% for getting middling XP) to the base rate on average

The ‘Match Size’ penalty is intended to prevent players from farming in small groups and kicking players who join in. It’s only for less than 10 players, and it works by modifying the base rate for the duration that the server is below that number:

8-9 players = base rate of 10/min (-2)
6-7 players = base rate of 8/min (-4)
4-5 players = base rate of 6/min (-6)
2-3 players = base rate of 4/min (-8)
1 player = base rate of 2/min (-10)

There’s also a ‘Team Imbalance’ to try and get players to swap to the smaller team. The penalty for the larger team there is:

A team with +2 players gets 11/min (-1)
A team with +3 players gets 10/min (-2)
A team with +4 players gets 9/min (-3)
A team with +5 players (or more) gets 8/min (-4)[/quote]

Taking these numbers into account we’re looking at:

3h booster gives an average gain of 3554 credits per dollar, assuming a server of 10+ players with the same number of players on both teams.
6h is 3769 c/$.
12h is 4511 c/$.
18h is 4828 c/$.
Then multiply these by 2 for gain in ranked.
Compare these to the 5005 c/$ of buying Mercs, the 6258 c/$ of a 10-pack of Crafting Kits and the ~8000-11000 c/$ of buying Expert/Elite Cases.
So in essence boosters are bad value outside of ranked, but great value in ranked. Considering the wasteland that ranked currently is boosters seem pretty bad right now.

Honestly, I’d rather see ranked scaling additively instead of multiplicatively and the value of boosters significantly increased, because otherwise there’s gonna be a huge discrepancy in the value of boosters. I’d rather have them be consistently good than very good in ranked, but crap outside of that (especially since ranked is a wasteland right now).
A pricing of 0.49$, 0.89$, 1.69$ and 2.39$ would result in 5731, 6310, 6646 and 7049 credits per dollar; Slightly above most other purchasable items due to the delayed nature of the purchase. Still worse than buying Elite or Expert cases though.

(jokingShale) #34

@BulletKin

Yep, basically, you know what this “apology” reminded me of? When a kid calls another kid stupid, his mom tells him to apologize, and then he yells “I’m sorry you’re stupid!” before running off.

It’s literally that dishonest and childish.

(ZGToRRent) #35

So, instead of adding weapon kits to the store, you are reducing costs for a week? TBH, you wasted time, building system to choose primary weapon when nobody can do that… It’s impossible to get 45 WK when arsenal crates are dropping once per week(for me it’s even once per month!)

(Xenithos) #36

I’ve literally only got two problems with this. Everything else sounds great, except for two minor issues. Weapon Kits NEED to be given, they’re just IMPOSSIBLE to get enough of even with the event coming up. I hope that you all think about possibly giving weapon kits GUARANTEED 50+ through the event. Because right now, I’ve got 57k fragments and I’m waiting for Weapon kits. I better stinking get me some weapon kits.

And the second issue, It’s not simply that the crafting system was a failure because of miscommunication, it’s a failure because it’s just too expensive, and it devalues PROGRESSION.

Thanks for the other info though, I’m glad for some transparency. Will there be an update prior to August 25th telling us how many weapon kits, etc. and other items will be in those cases for logging in and playing every day?

(Xenithos) #37

[quote=“bushyg;197704”]Why couldn’t you just including Recycling and Crafting in with Trading up and Trade ins? Surely it couldn’t be that hard to have both.

“Por que no los dos?”[/quote]

I never even thought about that. It might be a bad idea though, because some people would find a way to make something cheaper and then basically grind in game content.

(ArsonistCow) #38

@RazielWarmonic Why was my post edited? Smooth made a public comment about how the credit gain system worked on Reddit. And I simply took exact quotes from his comment.

(dlux) #39

So, still nothing about our useless special edition cards. :frowning:
Please don’t leave your paying customers in the cold.

(AlphaUT) #40

Finally, after so long, SD realize current situation is not more events but to focus on game itself.