Streets of Italy - FP2

[reaply]

I’m tired of having to look at this forum post. Can everyone just stop arguing or if not just delete this thread please. If you are truly concerned tell the author about it and let them deal with it. If you are the author (victim w/e) tell him no, he cannot use it.

[IndyJones]

sage, i have no idea what are you talking about, really. wich assets i took from ur duel? seriously, i have no clue about it.

but deal with one thing - the map is very popular, ripped/stolen/etc or not, it is popular, it is very playable, people do like it.

[aaa4]

But he did mention the original authors, he credited them properly as can be seen from the readme.

no, why do you think i posted the readme in here. i thought it was obvious. if you really dont grasp what i mean after all been said i feel sorry for you.

also crediting an author who already ported the map is not real credits. the real author was not mentioned in any way, though a simple search would have done it. also shows that he doesnt really care about giving credits properly.

and i have to say one thing also: the time and effort it takes to create an original map with original layout is about 10 times more compared to maps which were reproduced. because when you build a map on your own, you will probably leave about 1000% of brushwork behind until you get an optimal consistency and harmony in your map.

not to speak about the creativity factor, which is about 0.5% on ported maps (touching the map you know…skill :rolleyes:) than on your own maps, where it is about 300% from the rough scatch until the final layout. whereas i have to say that the more skilled you are and the more experience you have, you will have to throw away less brushwork from time to time.

some of you dont know that, because if they would, they wouldnt claim stuff like

Anyway convertiing is maybe more difficult then creating a new one…

not to speak on the arrogant posts by indy, showing that he actually thinks it would take so much skill what he does.

[IndyJones]

why don’t you show off your real face? use your primary account.

make a port-a-map competition, then we’ll see who would win it. the things that would matter is quality, and accuracy. to make it more competitive, let’s port maps from engine other than q3.

why should i credit valve, while i didnt use any of their files? i was simply working with sof2 only. and anyway, sof2 version is port of counter-strike source, wich is a port of old counter-strike condition zero, wich is a remake of old counter-strike. maybe i should credit all of them? how do i make sure valve made the map? u can never be 100% sure, it’s like with codwaw maps. treyarch claims they made all of them, but some mp maps were build by certain affinity. http://www.certainaffinity.com/callofduty/about/

[Stimpi]

for aaa4 … Thats true that Im begineer in radiant, but im not begineer in 3d designing… i think I know something about it. Is there some portfolio of maps you have created? Thx

[reaply]

Seriously, can someone lock this thread?

And also, for one. I never heard of this map on wolfenstein and I have been playing for like 6 years.
And next is this thread was started in 08, please let it go back to where it came from.

[SSF-Sage]

I tried hard to not reply, but this is my last post in this thread. Please lock it!

@Indy - You took almost every file (other than bsp and textures) from my map. IIRC you did not even bother changing the texts like in limbo menu (nice “valley map” btw). But that does not really matter as you did not do too much to the map anyways, other than taking credit for it.

I could continue with the subject for pages, but I won’t bother anymore. This is it for me. If I will be banned for this post like Pegazus, good luck to everyone with their maps. Sit tight, map clean and be creative.

[AlphaRed12]

[QUOTE=aaa4;223670]no, why do you think i posted the readme in here. i thought it was obvious. if you really dont grasp what i mean after all been said i feel sorry for you.

also crediting an author who already ported the map is not real credits. the real author was not mentioned in any way, though a simple search would have done it. also shows that he doesnt really care about giving credits properly.[/QUOTE]
I see that, but since afaik, he did not take anything from the Valve version of the map then he doesn’t have to credit them. He could’ve credited them for map ideas but technically he doesn’t have to credit anyone whom he has not taken material from. You could argue that he has taken the layout from the Valve map but has given it a different atmosphere and added to it so it shows little resemblence to the original. As long as he didn’t copy it outright, he only has to credit for ideas, which is seems he has credited the one map already.

And as for whether crediting the ported map’s author which you believe is “not real credits”. LOL, it is real credits. Whether hte map is a port or not does not make them invalid, what kind of logic is that?

[Margus]

Wan’t to get my word in too, before destruction of this thread.

Some people really surprised me. I won’t mention any names, but those who believe IndyJones has been right in every way, should read the whole thread twice again to see the real reason behind it.
Everything he has offered to the community is stolen: textures, skins, maps etc. If some of you think that is right then think again. I get it, some of you don’t care about what the original authors have written in readme or agreement. But don’t be so lazy to open it and just read for once and respect something for once. And give proper credit for once, don’t put your name everywhere, deceiving is not right, even if you hide the credits in a way that nobody would see.
Never thought that this would end up this way. I thought people like to see new and great ideas, i thought we got already enough of people offering that. Then came Indyjones, deceived us and still he is loved. So I guess stolen work is in with kids nowadays.

To reply IndyJones message of the map being extremely cool i got to say few things. The map has booed of many times in different servers, by people. And it brought joy in to my face

About the ban, i got no comment. IndyJones insults aaa4 and when i tell it’s not right to do that I get banned. Not one bad insult was made to Indyjones except if i remember right: “aaa4 is a lot more respected person, then you ever could be”. (If it’s an insult or not, i am not sure, and i won’t argue over it)

If Admins want to ban me for this message, then go ahead. My real account is Pegazus.
And before i go for good i’l end this message with one of my favourite quotes by Martin Luther King: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
Perfect quote for around here.

[aaa4]

I see that, but since afaik, he did not take anything from the Valve version of the map then he doesn’t have to credit them.

that really shows ALOT about the way you think, some of you guys really need an enormous brainwash. real skill is creativity (well the most of it), the credits go with them. i would never ever give credits to a guy as an author or co-author, when all he did to my map would be just inserting a prefab.

and stimpi: sorry about that. of course i see the real interest in seeing my work, but i cant show it to you, because it is not dont yet and i better not show anything until i get finished due to people like indyjones, who would simply steal my work.

[aaa4]

I see that, but since afaik, he did not take anything from the Valve version of the map then he doesn’t have to credit them.

that really shows ALOT about the way you think, some of you guys really need an enormous brainwash. real skill is creativity (well the most of it), the credits go with them. i would never ever give credits to a guy as an author or co-author, when all he did to my map would be just inserting a prefab.

and stimpi: sorry about that. of course i see the real interest in seeing my work, but i cant show it to you, because it is not done yet and i better not show anything until i get finished due to people like indyjones, who would simply steal my work.

[ischbinz]

i hope you don t copy a real weapon or such stuff - otherwise you steal the idea of any1 -
just to close your chain or arguments…

[Stimpi]

… this is real interresting idea. Which real stuff we are allowed to use in maps (games)? I remember that in many games you can see real cars with fake names (Mafia, Saboteur, etc…) and on the other side in all games there are guns which are called with their original names … MP40, M4, Thompson, AK47 …

Do somebody knows how it works? Sorry for little offtopic.

Thx Sti

[aaa4]

this is going way too far, copy of the copy of the copy and in the end stating that it was ME THAT CREATED THE THOMPSON WITH ALL ITS AMMO.

oh my god its like im talking to childs. you really missed sth, and i really dont know where it comes from: by perception or is it there before you ever was born. who knows…

[aaa4]

and i really think you have to distinguish. i dont know why you modelers just want to be educated by me. you already know it by yourself, dont you ? stealing a map is sth totally different. because it is so much more.

[aaa4]

and i really think you have to distinguish. i dont know why you modelers just want to be educated by me. you already know it by yourself, dont you ? stealing a map is sth totally different.

stop generalizing, because you are not able to it seems.

[Stimpi]

… nobody sayd that wont to be educated by you … we just try to discus this topic

[aaa4]

… nobody sayd that wont to be educated by you … we just try to discus this topic

ah ok. then i will clink out. because it is somehow senseless to explain fourier analysis to the idiots.

gl all and remember: just dont fake, and all is good.

i hope this is my last post in this thread. i really dont want to be seen as a troll.

[Stimpi]

… all around are crazy just Im the plane … sorry I must … good luck

[AlphaRed12]

that really shows ALOT about the way you think, some of you guys really need an enormous brainwash. real skill is creativity (well the most of it), the credits go with them. i would never ever give credits to a guy as an author or co-author, when all he did to my map would be just inserting a prefab.

It actually shows how ignorant you are as the definition of credits clearly defines exactly what I said.
Credits - a list of acknowledgements of those who contributed to the creation of a film (usually run at the end of the film)

CONTRIBUTED CONTRIBUTED CONTRIBUTED

Key word there. And he did credit the map from that other game which he believes contributed to the style and layout of the map. He does not have to state that that one was designed from the Valve Italy map, although he could have. You could have found that out yourself by looking at the credits of that other map and hopefully that guy had credited the Valve map.

Whether or not someone is worthy of credits is up to the author. I know whenever I make weapons for games I try and credits the respective authors even if they only did a small portion. Any work is some work and should be attributed to someone. But I don’t think that is the real problem here.