Solo/Duo Queue in Ranked Season 1

(RickyNeuman) #21

Comp games have just become shity pub games with the only difference that you have to wait ages before jumping into it.

Last 7 comp games I tried to play:
1.) Waited for 4 minutes. Joined a game Lobby, one didn’t join the Lobby. Back to search
2.) Waited for 3 minutes. Game started, one teammate is afk/leaves after 2minutes.
3.) + 4.) I lost connection to the game Lobby. Two 3 minutes plus searches for nothing.
5.) Decent game to the end after only 6 minutes search.
6.) 3 minutes waiting for a game. One player doesn’t find the Lobby - back to the search
7.) A bit more then 1 minute waiting. Game started, One enemy leaves, but comes back after 1 minute. After 2 minutes one of my teammates leaves.

One good game out of 7. But no teamplay, no strategy and no tactics. Just 5 players running around and doing their own stuff. Sometimes it works, sometimes it is bad. Just like on pub games.

With your comp update you removed the fun from the comp games. Instead of focusing on comp teamplay you turned the comp games in an annoying, frustrating and unnecessary addition to the pub games. There were so many good options to improve rank games and matchmaking. Instead you decided to remove the best part with the hope that the rest will become better. I don’t think it will happen. I really hope you will turn comp games into something better after the 1st season like announced.

(N8o) #22

How SD balances their game:

(feigenstaub) #23

#worst #patch #ever

I can understand the reasons but they do NOTHING for playing with friends.
up to the patch i have played ranked only when we can made a 5 player pre made team, so it’s garanteed we are playing together.
not for any fucking trinked or extra credits, only to play together and “not only to play casual for nothing”
now we only can play together in public and only in stopwatch is a possibilty to get all of us in the same team and this is not garanteed.
i have played 3 ranked games now, one alone and 2 with a friend. draw - lost - won and all matches were shit. when i want to play with randoms i play casual and not ranked!!

why you don’t let the existing ranked system implemented? so all groups can join ranked, alone, pairs, 3-4-5 pre mades in an extra queue apart from the new queue?
the player base would be greater and for a pre made team i think it’s not the problem to play against a mixed team and vice versa it’s their own decision.

the patch is no reason that the ranked player base is rising.

maybe u should speed up the development to get out of open beta and more features / content to present new players and then u can make some marketing campains to angle the fat player base out there who never heard of the greatest game ever.

(Ardez1) #24

@foolishHat You had a draw in stopwatch? That is super rare… did neither team complete the first objective?

I believe Raziel explained why SD made the changes they did. You ask why but you didn’t read what she posted above.

(The_N00Ba) #25

@RazielWarmonic Thank you Raz and everyone else involved for providing these types of posts. I feel they are very informative and help promote community among Players, Developers, and Publishers. Please keep them up. :slight_smile:

(bontsa) #26

Answer / below

It’s sweet idea to read the entire thread, might’ve comments for the subject one is bringing up.

You’re unable to do that for now in ranked, yes. If competitive is what you and your group strive for, organized teamplay on both ends, then PUGs & scrims are your way-to-go.

About the statistics overall, I dunno if it’s already taken into account in graph (likely) or if I’m completely oblivious of statistics (highly likely) but I should one aspect should be taken into consideration when judging it. Since it states “party size”, taking into account that one 5-person party is already 5x solo parties following that logic, it could indicate the % numbers there can’t be directly translated into individual player numbers. So for the number that 1% of 5-sized party represents, to equal amount of solo-sized parties is whatever 5% represents.

Or something like that, nevertheless I wouldn’t use those % numbers in a form of “71% of players playing ranked are solos”, rather “71% of parties overall playing ranked are solos”. There is a difference that results in real amount of solos facing 5-premades is higher than difference between 71% and 7%, if I’m judging the graph right.

Feel free to broaden my mind about the subject.

Nice transparency from SD/Nexon side however, appreciated that you elaborated why have you made these decisions. I still don’t agree with removal of Aus/Asia ranked servers, since who knows if player amounts would’ve seen a boost with the change at hand here. But this is something you as devs and publishers should keep up, bringing info behind the decisions, forth like here.

(gossamerYouth) #27

Sorry but this new update destroyed the game for me. And there are some things I really dont understand about your decision making.

Why delete 5 man Q and replace with 1o 2 man Q max? And then add 5 man Q again in future update? Why not leave 5 man Q and make extra option to choose solo or duo Q? at once…
Instead you destroy all 5 man teams and then hope we keep playing this game to return in some future update?

Also competetive mode is made for 5v5. Like Etpro was. People that wanna play solo or duo can just enter any random public stopwatch mode and get on each others team (where tbh u have a higher chance of playing a decent match then in ranked atm)

Comp mode is for people who like to work as a team, to optimise their own class to help teamplay get on teamspeak together etc. For comp players this gives the game so much more levels than just solo play.

And its so xtremely easy to make friends via steam. Ive met many people throughout solo Q ing and always have people online to make pre made, if my teammates are offline.

Splashdamage should encourage this. Instead of punish us for making pre made parties. Its totally rediculous.

I have tried this new update and ended up in teams with 0 medics, 4 bushwackers, people teamkilling and almost every match someone ego quits. Its like playing public but worse.

I rather wait 10~15 minutes (not 40 minutes LOL) for a good match than play these extremely frustrating unfair completely random matchmaking matches.

People who complain that they cant win with solo q from 5 man team should either quit competetive or just get a premade going themselves. Or even better, make a team.

There is nothing left of competetive mode. The competetive community, the players who played it every night for hours who made up 90% of competetive hate this new update.

Really smart move also to destroy teamplay when games like overwatch are comming!

I used to rate this game 10 and tell all my old ET friends to come play it. Now I rank it one and tell them to stay in CSGO.

GG

(blonk) #28

[quote=“Daga;152728”][quote=“LumpyPorridge;152716”]Hooray! I guess this means I won’t face any more pre-made cobalt teams with my silver PUG any more… that wasn’t fun for either side.

Now if only there was a way to kick hackers who join with a friend…[/quote]

even if you dont get destroyed by a 5 man. there’s still a chance you will get destroyed by a cobalt duo queue (due to the low player count) [/quote]

Yep, as a player pointed out in the twilight hours of the last season, two ace players can still shag the balance.

The barrier I keep running into is coordination, it’s so rare to be able to actually communicate with the random folk you bump into. if everyone spoke the same language and if everyone had mics, I think it would help the experience greatly.

(moccasinGreyhound) #29

I’ve got to say I agree with gossamerYouth removing 5man ranked has removed the fun I found in the game.

My Opinion so far

New Ranked System first solo game:

  • Bridge defending the drug samples inside the building we have Sawbonez (me) Sparks, 2 x Proxy and Bushwacker. I tell the team we need ammo can someone please change, no response… ask again no response, run out of bullets in my pistol ask again then get told to “Shut up”. So I go to the ammo crate and guess what, everyone gets wiped out the drugs get stolen and they win the game.

I played well supporting the team, mowed people down like Arnie in Commando (Steel drums playing) and changed to medic because we only had one, ill now be ranked lower because my team don’t understand the teamwork element? and now I’ll get matched with players with lower rank with less experience?

Old Rankedl:

When I played solo and got matched up against 5 man teams I wasn’t annoyed that I lost why would I be, they all work together as a team and are prob on TS, fair play. I’ve joined with random’s I know the chance of winning is slim but sometimes you do win. yay!

Every time I played ranked and there was a good player on my team I added them on steam, this led to me having enough friends to make a 5 man team. Playing together working as a team and winning or losing was great because you can figure out why you lost and adapt. I found this FUN.

I don’t moan at buffs and over nitty gritty things but this change has made me create an account and moan and rant.

TLDR:

I’d rather wait 30 mins plus for a 5 man ranked game than play two games with people who don’t understand what teamwork is.

how long till the next season? will I have lost interest by then?

Just my thoughts.

#bringback5manteamsASAP

(blonk) #30

[quote=“moccasinGreyhound;153093”]Every time I played ranked and there was a good player on my team I added them on steam, this led to me having enough friends to make a 5 man team. Playing together working as a team and winning or losing was great because you can figure out why you lost and adapt. I found this FUN.
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Unless you’re billy no-mates or aren’t fortunate enough to play with good players (lord knows I’ve been there), in which case it’d probably drive you absolutely spare. There’s only so much adapting and learning you can take away from 5 cobalts giving it to you from all directions. You can only be so self sufficient in a team based shooter after all.

I totally agree with your sentiments though, I was lucky to find a bunch of cool folks to play and coordinate with late on, and am sad to see that end, but I’m hopeful that eventually there will an environment that can fit everyone in.

(moccasinGreyhound) #31

I do think there is a need for Solo and Duo Q , but removing 5 man teams is a mistake IMO pushing out the current ranked user base who play with 5 man teams.

Solo and Duo ranked is now like playing a public game?! it’s pushing me away from ranked and into private or public games.

(SirMurder) #32

HEY WAIT “WE GOT GRAPHS” :trollface:

Just kidding i totally agree with all of this :smiley:

(sonsofaugust5) #33

[quote=“Todes;152735”]I disagree quite abit with you -BigRed on the point that “Removing that will bring a lot more players to competitive because not everyone has friends online they queue with.”

I’ve played another game in the past where they completly removed 5man competitive from the queue, since we couldn’t play a full team competitively & were forced to play in casual half of us slowly started to just quit the game as we couldn’t play it in the intended way.

There’s a bunch of people who will refuse queueing up with randoms for ranked mode as you’ll get a mixed bag of people.
I got an example from last week, i queued with two others for DB ranked mode & we got two randoms who ended up having 1/5 the score of the rest of us, the opposing team were doing slightly worse than the three of us on an individual level but we still couldn’t win the game in what was essentially a 3v5 (it got pretty close).

Queueing with less than 4 people in a competitive setting will scare alot of the hardcore players & the teams away as they can’t play a proper competitive mode.

Not to mention it may eliminate some of the social elements of ranked, a part of that being able to queue up with nice people who’re about the same skill level as you are.[/quote]

Every coordinated team is basically on the DBN TS. You wanna scrim competitively, get on the ts and find another team. Community aspect is also on TS and steam.

(gossamerYouth) #34

made 40 kills, had 4 proxys, 1 medic. my teammates made each 5 or 6 kills. one left early. lost match. will get bronze 5.
<3 new update.

No sarcasm intended…

(gossamerYouth) #35

[quote="-BigRed;153170"]

Every coordinated team is basically on the DBN TS. [/quote]

Lulz. US has only 3 coordinated teams?

(sonsofaugust5) #36

@gossamerYouth Did you ask the people you were playing with to switch mercs so that you could be successful. I hate proxy on my team. Too squishy. 4 would drive me insane. At least you now know that the opposing team wasn’t a premade.

Also for those complaining about premades being removed and therefore making the game less compeitive thats completely false. I know players that got elite operative by only working in a premade. Every game I played with a premade of 5 was a stomp. A premade of 3 was a bit more balanced. Why do you deserve an elite medal if you already know youre gonna win because nobody else is using a premade. Once again, there are private servers that are often used for 5v5 scrims between teams. New players aren’t gonna have a premade of 5. Without competitive, its just pubs and that would be extremely boring. In another game nexon made, there were clans, clan levels, clan win %, and various accessible weapons for being a higher level clan. If it weren’t for this system the FPS would have gotten boring really fast.

(gossamerYouth) #37

@-BigRed dude… the game is 5 vs 5. When u play competetive, u get a team together. Either a real team or you have a list of friends u play with.
Imagine competetive Soccer 11 vs 11 but they could only come in pairs of 2. They can practise with 11, but never play with 11. Seriously…

When I started competetive I also got stomped. My team and I were total noobs. But becasue of praccing together we got kindof decent.
We still get stomped. But from that you can learn. Why did you get stomped? What did the other team do to stomp you? Did they inmediately push your spawn? Well maybe try to do the same VS your next opponent. Get a solution with your team how to react when this situation happens. What did you do wrong yourself? Did you run into fights after spawn, getting fulls? Did the medic do his job? Or was he playing fragger style and not reviving?
ETC ETC. Most top teams in this game have been playing competetive fast based shooters like Ennemy Territory for 8+ years. Some even have the same teams. Its ok to get stomped by them once in a while.
And if u get stomped you rank down. maybe to silver. And then u get to play other silvers, and then u have fun. Untill ur team gets good enough to play golds and so on…

I know many pre mades that never passed gold1… And Yes… a premade will always win from a solo q party. So thats the fault of the pre made team? The team that actually plays competetive instead of random hopping on a server in solo q? Me playing with a soccerball by myself in the back yard, doesnt make me a competetive soccer player… I just dont get it… this should motivate you to Q with 5, get a headset, get on TS together and go have some fun.

If that is not for you… well than competetive play is not for you. And thats ok… go have fun on a public.

Competetive play in a 5v5 game = 5 people playing TOGETHER. making COMMS, Practising and having FUN.

There is nothing left of that. Yes, u can give ingame comms. But i have no idea who’s voice goes with what player. Also every team / player has its own playstyle. F/E im not used to not having a medic.

And if they wanna make a “competetive” solo q only thing, no problemo… But do it next to 5 man Q. But why ruin the real competetive scene. It took me max 15 minutes to get a game. Some were too easy, some too hard, but overall I had a good fight to get from silver to elite with my team.
The true competetive scene, the players who are familiar in the setting, the players that kept the servers full, plz there is not 1 happy with deleting the 5 man Q.

And about educating teammates now…
pleaze…
They have no clue whats going on.
Using selfkill?
Using spawntimer?
Reviving is even a problem…
Im getting a headache of even the thought of having to teach them.

Also. u dont know who u end up with and what mercs they have. U can end up in matches, where nobody brought a medic but all wanna play fragger…

Nothing competetive about this new 2man 5v5 game.

(sonsofaugust5) #38

I understand everything you are saying. If you have a regular team, scrim… 5% were using premades. A pre-made facing a pre-made basically will never happen. You only wait 15 minutes because your ranks are low or you are using a low rank to make it happen faster. As a cobalt, when I pre-made with silvers we get matches fast. 5% are using a team of 5. You are the minority that try to play comp. Telling an entire community to do what you want instead of what everyone is doing is ridiculous. Once again, there are 5v5 scrims and several tournaments a month. A pre-made facing another pre-made is extremely rare so how are you getting better. It ends up as a spawn camp with players quitting. DB obviously wants players to enjoy the game, or stay in it so they made the right choice here.

Join a tourney or find a team to scrim on DBN ts. Anyone that ran with a pre-made last season didn’t deserve their elite or cobalt, myself included because the chances of facing another pre-made is basically non-existent.

(gossamerYouth) #39

Im not forcing anyone to do what i want. If. u wanna solo Q go for it, have fun.
It is announced already that 5v5 will come back.
I just find it rediculous the 1 or 2 man Q’s arent made as as extension. And they first take away 5v5 Q before re-entering it.

The only thing this is about is that all players want a trinket. They dont wanna play competetive, or they would have a team, practise, use comms and learn the game (spawtimer, selfkill etc)

What is created now is a extra public server option where u can get a trinket.
It is actually worse than public because now 50% of the time you end up 3vs 5 or 4 vs 5 (people ego quitting) and in a public server they get replaced with new people.

The problem wasnt premade teams…
The problem was that you could play as a gold1 with some silvers and an unranked and get a team full of elites and cobalts against you.
There is a streamer (elite) I follow, and many tim,es he was Q-ing an other team (also elites) that actually wanted to play him were also Q-ing.
So what happend? both teams got random silver opponents. Instead of having to play vs each other.

But yeah. You call this new 2man 5v5 game competetive and sorry I dont think we will ever agree on that.

About the DBN TS, its always empty in EU hours, and in US hours there are maybe 3 teams on there. Maybe thats why your view is blurred on the lack of teams. In eu i played mostly against pre-mades and had very good times.
Also I enjoywed not knowing who the opponent was going to be, and learning new teams this way.

An extra point: the graph shows how many people requested a game, not how many games were actually played. And from my expierence it wouldnt surprise me if 75% of all actual played games were pre-made.

Also not sure what ur exactely trying to say here? You think this game needs to be 2 man 5v5 game? and it has no room for 5v5? what are you exactely trying to argue here?

(sonsofaugust5) #40

NA there arent many premades. There need to be more of a player base for comp to have premades, in NA its just stomps if theres a premade. DB ts needs to be promoted is what im saying so teams can organize scrims. With premade 5s the trinkets mean absolutely nothing.