Most people aren’t going to pay for a VPN, many more don’t know about them.
And barely anyone has a dynamic IP any more so that’s not a big issue.[/quote]
Most people can simply call their ISP and request their IP to be changed. Most companies will do this for them. Some might charge a service fee.
Simply banning the users IP as well as their account will stop over 90% of the cheaters coming back. Your average cheater is just not smart enough or doesn’t know enough to bypass that.[/quote]
No, this only works for a very short time. IP banning is almost never done due to the ease at which IP’s can be changed on many ISP’s. Not to mention when IP leases are renewed by other people and if they happen to be playing the same game they will be banned for no reason at all. And using a proxy service is another very common option for cheaters and it costs very little (doesn’t have to be a VPN but that works too if it has the bandwidth). Hardware ID bans are also typically pretty useless as it’s easy to spoof hardware ID info using common programs and a lot of cheat programs include that as a feature.
It’s really not as simply as you suggest. I wish it were, but it’s not. As a person who spent years working with anti-cheat makers I know just how much of an uphill battle it can be. Especially when there are forums linking people who want to cheat to all of these easy/cheap services.
[quote=“Amerika;34137”]No, this only works for a very short time. IP banning is almost never done due to the ease at which IP’s can be changed on many ISP’s. Not to mention when IP leases are renewed by other people and if they happen to be playing the same game they will be banned for no reason at all. And using a proxy service is another very common option for cheaters and it costs very little (doesn’t have to be a VPN but that works too if it has the bandwidth). Hardware ID bans are also typically pretty useless as it’s easy to spoof hardware ID info using common programs and a lot of cheat programs include that as a feature.
It’s really not as simply as you suggest. I wish it were, but it’s not. As a person who spent years working with anti-cheat makers I know just how much of an uphill battle it can be. Especially when there are forums linking people who want to cheat to all of these easy/cheap services.[/quote]
I’m not saying it is going to stop all cheaters coming back, I’m saying it will stop many that would come back, from coming back. Most people are not going to bother to call their ISP to change their IP, if they do and it happens again then they probably won’t bother a second time. They’ll just move to another game.
Yes when someone else gets their IP it’s a problem, in that case, while a hassle, they can work it out and get it unbanned as ISPs keep logs of who had the IP at what time and can show they were not the cheater.
[quote=“Ghosthree3;34155”][quote=“Amerika;34137”]No, this only works for a very short time. IP banning is almost never done due to the ease at which IP’s can be changed on many ISP’s. Not to mention when IP leases are renewed by other people and if they happen to be playing the same game they will be banned for no reason at all. And using a proxy service is another very common option for cheaters and it costs very little (doesn’t have to be a VPN but that works too if it has the bandwidth). Hardware ID bans are also typically pretty useless as it’s easy to spoof hardware ID info using common programs and a lot of cheat programs include that as a feature.
It’s really not as simply as you suggest. I wish it were, but it’s not. As a person who spent years working with anti-cheat makers I know just how much of an uphill battle it can be. Especially when there are forums linking people who want to cheat to all of these easy/cheap services.[/quote]
I’m not saying it is going to stop all cheaters coming back, I’m saying it will stop many that would come back, from coming back. Most people are not going to bother to call their ISP to change their IP, if they do and it happens again then they probably won’t bother a second time. They’ll just move to another game.
Yes when someone else gets their IP it’s a problem, in that case, while a hassle, they can work it out and get it unbanned as ISPs keep logs of who had the IP at what time and can show they were not the cheater.[/quote]
You would rather people be banned, have to figure it out for themselves why, call their ISP’s and then convince the game developer that the information is correct or get the ISP to talk to the gave devs or the AC guys…AC guys who live in Korea for DB and are fairly well known to be unresponsive to inquiries? Yeah…
It’s just not as simple as you want to believe it is sadly. And those people who are casual cheaters and blatently cheating aren’t the issue anyway. They get reported or the ac catches them and they are banned. It’s the griefers who live to grief and the people who are being paid for accounts (credits/ranked up) or being paid to carry people that cause the majority of issues. And those are the people who can easily get around IP/hardware/account banning.
50,000 reports? Uhh, what?[/quote]
Stare the IDs, the last report I’ve made I got ID 48860. On 16 days almost 36.000 reports have been made.
There is a bunch of hackers on this game.
I don’t believe those are all hacker report IDs, I think you’ll find they share IDs with all other types of customer support enquiries.
50,000 reports? Uhh, what?[/quote]
Stare the IDs, the last report I’ve made I got ID 48860. On 16 days almost 36.000 reports have been made.
There is a bunch of hackers on this game.[/quote]
Nexon uses their ticket system for every single type of report for all the different games that Nexon does support for. Everything from a cheat report to a simple question.
Honestly…I really feel like there’s a Witch Hunt here because I’ve only run into maybe 3 hackers in the entire time I’ve played this game.
So, yea, I don’t think the problem is nearly as big as people make it out to be.
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;34228”]Honestly…I really feel like there’s a Witch Hunt here because I’ve only run into maybe 3 hackers in the entire time I’ve played this game.
So, yea, I don’t think the problem is nearly as big as people make it out to be.[/quote]
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;34228”]Honestly…I really feel like there’s a Witch Hunt here because I’ve only run into maybe 3 hackers in the entire time I’ve played this game.
So, yea, I don’t think the problem is nearly as big as people make it out to be.[/quote]
While there aren’t as many as some say there are out there, I’m pretty sure there’s a pretty huge amount that are using ESP with no aim assist. Very hard to detect, especially if the player is bad anyway.
Ran into on today. Lvl 12 Sparks scrub, headshotted multiple people in seconds through obstacles.
Cheats typically don’t work like that. You don’t just magically get to clip through terrain when cheating and get to bypass cooldowns.
[quote=“Ghosthree3;34155”][quote=“Amerika;34137”]No, this only works for a very short time. IP banning is almost never done due to the ease at which IP’s can be changed on many ISP’s. Not to mention when IP leases are renewed by other people and if they happen to be playing the same game they will be banned for no reason at all. And using a proxy service is another very common option for cheaters and it costs very little (doesn’t have to be a VPN but that works too if it has the bandwidth). Hardware ID bans are also typically pretty useless as it’s easy to spoof hardware ID info using common programs and a lot of cheat programs include that as a feature.
It’s really not as simply as you suggest. I wish it were, but it’s not. As a person who spent years working with anti-cheat makers I know just how much of an uphill battle it can be. Especially when there are forums linking people who want to cheat to all of these easy/cheap services.[/quote]
Yes when someone else gets their IP it’s a problem, in that case, while a hassle, they can work it out and get it unbanned as ISPs keep logs of who had the IP at what time and can show they were not the cheater.[/quote]
Cheats typically don’t work like that. You don’t just magically get to clip through terrain when cheating and get to bypass cooldowns.[/quote]
Sounds like client side hit detection, not hacks. It might have been a combination of both though. Hacks to account for the timing and hit detection to account for the ‘through obstacles’ bit.
50,000 reports? Uhh, what?[/quote]
Stare the IDs, the last report I’ve made I got ID 48860. On 16 days almost 36.000 reports have been made.
There is a bunch of hackers on this game.[/quote]
Nexon uses their ticket system for every single type of report for all the different games that Nexon does support for. Everything from a cheat report to a simple question.[/quote]
On the top it’s written :
DIRTYBOMB
CUSTOMER SUPPORT CENTER
There is almost 50.000 reports for Dirty Bomb alone.
50,000 reports? Uhh, what?[/quote]
Stare the IDs, the last report I’ve made I got ID 48860. On 16 days almost 36.000 reports have been made.
There is a bunch of hackers on this game.[/quote]
Nexon uses their ticket system for every single type of report for all the different games that Nexon does support for. Everything from a cheat report to a simple question.[/quote]
On the top it’s written :
DIRTYBOMB
CUSTOMER SUPPORT CENTER
There is almost 50.000 reports for Dirty Bomb alone. [/quote]
I just submitted a ticket about 10 seconds ago and they are up to number 49148. Most likely due to Open Beta. About 16 days ago they were at 16,000 ish.
It looks like this is a separate ticketing system from their other published games based on that. Could always be wrong. The site itself is just a portal. It is the internal database that determines the ticket number.
But yes, not every report is a hacker, obviously. TONS of those reports were users requesting refunds for purchases made. A large amount are also bug reports/error reports.
Not even half of those 50,000 are hacker reports. Probably a very small portion is hackers.
Is it really that hard to restrict the hackers?
Just google it and in worst cases spend 10 dollars for it to see how they do it.
Just check which loopholes they use, track players using it and shut them down.
There’s no way you get credible tournaments and playerbase if you can’t weed out hackers.
50,000 reports? Uhh, what?[/quote]
Stare the IDs, the last report I’ve made I got ID 48860. On 16 days almost 36.000 reports have been made.
There is a bunch of hackers on this game.[/quote]
Nexon uses their ticket system for every single type of report for all the different games that Nexon does support for. Everything from a cheat report to a simple question.[/quote]
On the top it’s written :
DIRTYBOMB
CUSTOMER SUPPORT CENTER
There is almost 50.000 reports for Dirty Bomb alone. [/quote]
It’s a web page. You can make a webpage front end for each service (or game in this case) you want to support while still keeping the same backend ticketing system. To prove this I went and asked a question about my account in Combat Arms. I honestly wasn’t sure if I had an account with the game or if it uses my current nexon account attached to DB so I asked. Does the below screenshot and ticket number look familiar and in line with what I’ve said?
Also notice how it’s not a ticket about cheating? So can we stop with the misinformation and theatrics @subtleDoll?
