So... is this cheater thing somewhat overblown?

(refit) #181

I spent some time researching hacks and aimbots. I even found a free aimbot online. All of these hacks come with parameters for smoothing lock on, hit angle, and tracking. They advertise these features as a means of hiding cheaters. Today, there is no effective way decide if a player is cheating by watching his game play. If you crank down the parameters aimbot, you can play better than Thresh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Fong). Guys like Thresh are in the one percent range. About half the Dirty Bomb games I play online seem to have one (or two) players who end up owning the server. Statistically, there can’t be that many insanely great (professional league) gamers.

Before I get flamed for being a noob, I used to play Quake (one) with Thresh online. And, I played Counter Strike when it was a Half Life add on.

(mellowCover) #182

Your not noob. When you know what to look for, they aren’t everywhere, but they’re for sure out there more then a lot admit.

(Yackamov) #183

Just a tip for devs if you guys talk to them (or maybe I can talk to them through our DevRel department). One thing you can also do to help with hackers is to automate an email to abuse@$isp after a reverse lookup of the IP after you catch the cheater. One anti-cheat I worked on did that. At first, the ISP doesn’t do anything. Then they get sick of seeing so many generated by a single person and they cut that person’s internet off. That will push some people to proxy, but the idea is that you’re weeding out the lazy hackers so that you drop the numbers drastically. You’ll never stop all, but you can stop a high percentage.

(Vx89) #184

I see a lot of player posting that they see hackers primarily in comp. I find that to be rather inaccurate. I’d say it’s in Comp and Pub games. It’s just more likely to be unnoticed in Pubs because more often then not players are pretty bad. In a day of playing DB in just pub games with friends we’ve encountered 4-7 hackers. This tends to be a regular occurence unfortunately.

Fortunately to my benefit and to players that want fair play I usually play with a friend or two that streams they’re game play via Twitch.

All my friends do is Spectate the suspected hacker. If they’re hacking they record the footage and submit it.

I believe the punishment for hacking is the Steam Account used is perma banned.

Types of Hackers:

Aimbotters: When someone headshot’s 10 people in a row that is very suspicious
No Spread: The Rhino that just got 5 kills in a row with a mini-gun that was firing with no bullet spread…
Wall Hacks. Pretty straight forward. Always knows where your coming from.

(Lumi) #185

@Vx89

I must disagree, a lot of people in pub (at least on European servers) are just good players. Some people I would find very weird before, now I just look up their steam profile and see they have 1000h on cs go, which really help improve your aim.

Many people with a lot of practice can be seen as cheaters with aimbots. I have 1500h in cod:mw2 and granted the skill level there isn’t high, but if I can manage headshots with a swaying sniper rifle there consistently, then vassili’s no-sway rifle is very easy to manage.

Also, many people will know where you’re coming from because they’ve been playing these 5 maps for some 100 of hours now and know that if for a certain amount of time a push on side A has been failing then there will be a flanking happening soon and one should check out side B or C. Spawns are deterministic here and so there are only so many options of where someone can come from and there are people out there with incredible reflexes and eyesight. My brother plays cs go semi-professionally and he does things I couldn’t dream of doing and I consider myself a good player. Before the dreiss AR nerf, my brother would look like an aimbot every time as he wouldn’t miss a headshot with that precise weapon. He was just to deadly with it and many others are the same that’s why the nerfing notes said something like removing the advantage given to good players.

I’m not discrediting the fact that there are cheaters out there, every game has them, but many people have a high skill level as well.

(Vx89) #186

[quote=“Lumi;67808”]@Vx89

I must disagree, a lot of people in pub (at least on European servers) are just good players. Some people I would find very weird before, now I just look up their steam profile and see they have 1000h on cs go, which really help improve your aim.

Many people with a lot of practice can be seen as cheaters with aimbots. I have 1500h in cod:mw2 and granted the skill level there isn’t high, but if I can manage headshots with a swaying sniper rifle there consistently, then vassili’s no-sway rifle is very easy to manage.

Also, many people will know where you’re coming from because they’ve been playing these 5 maps for some 100 of hours now and know that if for a certain amount of time a push on side A has been failing then there will be a flanking happening soon and one should check out side B or C. Spawns are deterministic here and so there are only so many options of where someone can come from and there are people out there with incredible reflexes and eyesight. My brother plays cs go semi-professionally and he does things I couldn’t dream of doing and I consider myself a good player. Before the dreiss AR nerf, my brother would look like an aimbot every time as he wouldn’t miss a headshot with that precise weapon. He was just to deadly with it and many others are the same that’s why the nerfing notes said something like removing the advantage given to good players.

I’m not discrediting the fact that there are cheaters out there, every game has them, but many people have a high skill level as well.[/quote]

You know I did say that my friends and I Spectate suspected hackers right? When we see a pattern of behaviour that appears to be hacking we don’t automatically assume that player is hacking without proof. I’ve spectated aimbotters where they do a full 360 turn and headshot someone in what looks like less then a second, or observed the aimbotter gets rushed by two to three players and headshots all of them in less time it takes to sneeze.

We record the footage and submit it for review. The content is then investigated to determine if they were hacking or not. If it’s just a case of a good player then they have nothing to worry about.

CoD MW2 is not the best example. Accuracy isn’t necessarily important depending on the game mode. In MW2 the only game mode I thought anyone was worth anything in terms of skill was Hardcore Team Deathmatch. No losers running around with Marathon/Light Weight/Commando.

I got older though. I switched to a real mans FPS after MW2 and that’s called Battlefield. Only scrubs and big mouth 10 year olds play CoD now.

(Ghosthree3) #187

Why would anyone bother doing this?

Also,

This is not unreasonable, just super lucky or rare.

(Yackamov) #188

Ghosthree3, they do this to sweep the battlefield and shoot everything in their site as they are sweeping. I’m excited about the new anti-cheat that was employed today. I see a lot of people posting that they’re getting banned. I hope those aren’t false positives and people are getting nailed left and right. That would be awesome.

(Vx89) #189

Why would anyone bother doing this?

Also,

This is not unreasonable, just super lucky or rare.[/quote]

Probably could’ve worded that better. All I know is I’ve spectated aimbotters that turn around instantly to head shot an enemy that wasn’t they’re a second ago.

Its not my job to verify those individual’s are hackers I and my friends just submit footage of suspected hackers. Although they’re have been some rather obvious hackers that just troll. The footage is submitted and dealt with. Nexon determines if the footage verify’s hacker behaviour.