So I really don't enjoy playing Phantom (In Obj/SW).

(PeterComputer) #1

Yeah, so from the title, you may have guessed that I’m not a huge fan of Phantom. My criticism towards him, is directed to his use in Objective/Stopwatch matches, not Execution.

Usually, I’m a hardcore team player. With almost every character, I can stick close to the team and help out, even as a sniper. With Phantom though, I can’t really do that.

I’ve asked for advice, I’ve looked at guides and everyone tells me the same thing: as Phantom, you want to get behind enemy lines and attack them. I find that quite hard to do, but it’s not because of my incompetence that I dislike him. It’s because if that is the proper way to play Phantom, then why would you give him an EMP field? Wouldn’t you want to use that in areas your team is trying to breach/protect?

And if you want to play him when you’re with your team, do you really need the invisibility? I mean, it’s not like being invisible will help much if I got half the team next to me. I guess you could use it to flank the enemies from a different entrance while your team goes through the main one but besides that, I really don’t find much use for it.

I don’t find Phantom to be an essencial part of a squad. He doesn’t fill a particular roll. Aura is a med, Proxy is a specialist, Rhino, good at attacking/defending, Phantom… well, you tell me.
To me, he feels more like a character you would want to play as to have fun.

Even though I don’t play Execution that much, I recognize that in that gamemode, he is very useful. Hell, I would even dare to say that Phantom was made for Execution matches, not Objective/Stopwatch matches. Just the fact that he can dispatch enemies silently and that eliminates the him for the rest of the round is very handy. On the other gamemodes, even if I succeed in killing a player, that enemy will be back in less than a minute.

In conclusion, I really want to play Phantom, but as a team player, I don’t like him. I want to make good use of that EMP field but I just can’t find a way to do so. Tbh, if SD introduced a character with EMP grenades, I’d probably stop playing him altogether.

Please help me out and give me some tips on how I can use Phantom in a team.

TL;DR: I don’t think Phantom is great in Obj/SW matches and I don’t know how to play him if I’m sticking to my team. He’s pretty cool in Execution though. Give us EMP nades already. The end.

(GatoCommodore) #2

we were thinking the same thing.
but i guess we dont know whats in the developer head…

(Terminal_6) #3

I doubt the developers know what they want Phantom to be, and for the record, I can’t stand playing him either. He looks like he’s supposed to be some sort of tanky melee assassin, but he has a close-range disruption ability that also betrays his cloak. He might as well lose the cloak and become Fragger with EMP grenades and a weeb-stick (not a serious suggestion(or is it)).

But you know what I love the most? I really have to get this off my chest. Phantom’s who sit cloaked in a corner waiting for an enemy, then wait for a teammate to get killed by said enemy, then katana strike and get mowed down.
It’s like… WHY?!
Why are you even here? If you’d put your sword in their back while I put bullets in their face we could’ve had something, which, even if you did that, is way too small a niche for you to dedicate yourself to! That’s like turning a player into a single defective Proxy mine. Might as well be a spectator taking up a slot on the team.

We probably wouldn’t have that noob problem if SD picked a role for Phantom and stuck to it. Push the melee assassin archetype or the cluster-disruptor (I just made that one up, pretty proud of it). Noobs play Phantom and have no idea what makes him work. I play Phantom and have no idea what makes him work. You can be a conservative, generic SMG guy with an EMP pulse and slightly better escape mechanic, I guess. It’s way too unintuitive for the layman, especially compared to the rest of DB’s mercs.

(JJMAJR) #4

If Phantom was classified as an Assault in the first place we wouldn’t be having this talk.

(PeterComputer) #5

I’m actually quite surprised to see how many people also don’t like Phantom. I was expecting a bit more backlash but it’s nice to see that I’m not alone in this.

(BlackboltLW) #6

Yeah, agree with this. I somehow performs assault better with Phantom using his cloak to get behind enemy defense and time my attack with my teammates (while in the same time, disables any devices nearby)

It’s been few times when I actually topped the scoreboard with C51 Phantom (so I could focus on my guns more than my melee)

(Szakalot) #7

how to phantom:

  • dont use katana
  • keep around the frontline
  • use teammates as bait to suddenly get the drop on the enemy
  • flank, harass, fall back, rotate
  • assasinate medics & high priority targets with well aimed headshots
  • disable aura stations through walls
  • run away from direct engagements, recloak, reflank
(BlackboltLW) #8

[quote=“Szakalot;214625”]how to phantom:

  • dont use katana
  • keep around the frontline
  • use teammates as bait to suddenly get the drop on the enemy
  • flank, harass, fall back, rotate
  • assasinate medics & high priority targets with well aimed headshots
  • disable aura stations through walls
  • run away from direct engagements, recloak, reflank[/quote]

As shown here by our friendly @Shinywindow about how you Phantom

(Herr_Hanz) #9

well a lot of people dont like vassili and dont want to play him. but i absolutely adore him

(PeterComputer) #10

@Herr_Hanz Well yeah, but Vassili serves a clear purpose. Stay behind the team, locate enemies and snipe them. He’s a lone wolf. Plus, he has the MOA, and who doesn’t love that rifle?

(PeterComputer) #11

@Szakalot @BlackboltLW Thanks for the tips! These are actually quite helpful.

(Herr_Hanz) #12

@Herr_Hanz Well yeah, but Vassili serves a clear purpose. Stay behind the team, locate enemies and snipe them. He’s a lone wolf. Plus, he has the MOA, and who doesn’t love that rifle?[/quote]

me, i love the FEL-IX more. i only use the MOA because its so much better than tho FEL-IX

(Mr-Penguin) #13

I basically only use cloak as a tool to get the first shot and that’s it.

(JJMAJR) #14

If you’re good enough with Phantom you can camp a corner with your pistol out, and down a sucker with two shots.

I think that the DE.50 builds should be a bit better than the revolvers though because this strategy makes the weapon extremely inferior as a choice.

Phantom’s cloak, if done properly, could make your choice of pistol much more important than your primary even.

(Szakalot) #15

meh, kek or crotzni > any secondary

(GatoCommodore) #16

[quote=“JJMAJR;214752”]If you’re good enough with Phantom you can camp a corner with your pistol out, and down a sucker with two shots.

I think that the DE.50 builds should be a bit better than the revolvers though because this strategy makes the weapon extremely inferior as a choice.

Phantom’s cloak, if done properly, could make your choice of pistol much more important than your primary even.[/quote]

the DE.50 is rapid faster firing magnum tho.
i like it when they accuse me of aimbotting while in reality they just receive 3 deagle headshot point blank.

(JJMAJR) #17

[quote=“sweetColumn;214772”][quote=“JJMAJR;214752”]If you’re good enough with Phantom you can camp a corner with your pistol out, and down a sucker with two shots.

I think that the DE.50 builds should be a bit better than the revolvers though because this strategy makes the weapon extremely inferior as a choice.

Phantom’s cloak, if done properly, could make your choice of pistol much more important than your primary even.[/quote]

the DE.50 is rapid faster firing magnum tho.
i like it when they accuse me of aimbotting while in reality they just receive 3 deagle headshot point blank.[/quote]

That would be important if there was either health regeneration or if Phantom could spot enemies with low health, because in that situation Phantom could down a sucker faster than the S+W or the Simeon.

(Szakalot) #18

[quote=“sweetColumn;214772”][quote=“JJMAJR;214752”]If you’re good enough with Phantom you can camp a corner with your pistol out, and down a sucker with two shots.

I think that the DE.50 builds should be a bit better than the revolvers though because this strategy makes the weapon extremely inferior as a choice.

Phantom’s cloak, if done properly, could make your choice of pistol much more important than your primary even.[/quote]

the DE.50 is rapid faster firing magnum tho.
i like it when they accuse me of aimbotting while in reality they just receive 3 deagle headshot point blank.[/quote]

agreed, the higher damage lower RoF really buffed deagle, its more like a revolver than a inferior caulden.

(GatoCommodore) #19

[quote=“JJMAJR;214798”][quote=“sweetColumn;214772”][quote=“JJMAJR;214752”]If you’re good enough with Phantom you can camp a corner with your pistol out, and down a sucker with two shots.

I think that the DE.50 builds should be a bit better than the revolvers though because this strategy makes the weapon extremely inferior as a choice.

Phantom’s cloak, if done properly, could make your choice of pistol much more important than your primary even.[/quote]

the DE.50 is rapid faster firing magnum tho.
i like it when they accuse me of aimbotting while in reality they just receive 3 deagle headshot point blank.[/quote]

That would be important if there was either health regeneration or if Phantom could spot enemies with low health, because in that situation Phantom could down a sucker faster than the S+W or the Simeon.[/quote]

like some kind of predator mode that can be activated for several seconds to find mercs with low health…

well the downside is when phantom found the merc she/he could have healed and probably ready to brawl.