So I been gone for 3 days and boy we need to help the clueless understand.

(Oz70NYC) #21

6 months from now, Brink will probably be only $39.99. Hell, it’s already being sold at that price in some retailers. So you’re trying to tell us that spending an extra 9 bucks for DLC on for a game that only costs 40 is going to be a problem? Hell, those of us who paid full price for it should be the ones pissed. But we’re not…because we have a 2 week window to get the new content for free. And of course any future content after this DLC will obviously be “pay for” as well. But the fact remains that even with the DLC being pay for after two weeks for people who don’t pick it up, it’s still not costing much. If you seriously can’t afford 10 bucks for DLC, you may as well stop playing video games altogether.

I completely understand your stance on it having the potential of dividing the community. But if someone buys the game 2 months from now knowing full well that a majority of the player base has the new content, and they’re not going to get the full experience without it, but he/she choses not to, who’s fault is that? Splash Damage’s? Bethesda’s? No. It’s the fault of the consumer and ONLY the consumer. And let’s be honest here, 6 months from now when MW3 and BF3 are both on the market, what difference will it make if new Brink DLC will be free or have a price tag on it? I’ll personally still be playing Brink by then, but at that point…realistically all that will be left will be the DIE HARD Brink players. You’re making a stink about something that in the long run will be completely irrelevant. Like complaining about a window not being fixed…on a building that’s about to be demolished.

YOU’RE getting the DLC free. Enjoy it. If other people don’t get the new content within the two weeks, that’s their problem, not yours.

(TragHIP) #22

I understand your logic - but you have to also realize the vast majority of these new people will never know it was free. They don’t visit the Splash Damage forums and other sites and keep informed like we do. Half my gamer friends don’t even know about this little controversy we are discussing and will never know. :cool:

(Apoc) #23

I disagree with the OP and many of the posters in this thread.

Paying for dlc splits a community, i know its free for 2 weeks, but 2 weeks is a short time. This game is lacking a player base, and its lacking a player base due to its shortcomings at release. Many people have left the community due to the way the game was when released and the way it is now still.

This DLC is pretty much the last chance to salvage this game from dying. And instead of being negative and saying it probably wont change anything and 2 more maps and a couple of gadgets don’t address the main flaws, i will instead presume that the DLC will be everything we hoped for and more. It will include weapon balances, body type balances, objective and spawn balances, it will remove the current bugs, it will allow players to play if they have an ATI card and it will also provide 2 lovely new maps and some fun abilities to play with. NOW presuming this. I would say if all this positive presumption was to be correct, i would count brink as a complete game, as lets be honest, that’s how a game should be, balanced and bug free. Its great that your giving away the dlc for free to pre owners, but it is really just giving us the game we payed for, instead of giving us half of the game with alot of problems. My issue is that after the 2 weeks, new players who want to play brink, will have to pay for the game + DLC for the game to be worth playing. Its kind of like selling people a gun without the trigger. DLC one month after release for a game thats community has dissolved in mere weeks is not something that should be paid for, it is a rescue party that if successful should be able to help save everyone else from the pre DLC brink (of course presuming the dlc will be as successful as many of you here are anticipating).

Also please stop telling people to stop complaining and be grateful, feedback is vital for any business, and if you think putting on a happy face when your sad underneath is going to help anyone then you are very mistaken. People have a right to complain, especially when they pay for a multiplayer only game that has caused 90% of its players to disband due to its state on release.

Im afraid my personal opinion of the matter is that the DLC feels like a “sorry about before, here is what you paid for, sorry about the wait”.

Also the ridiculous amount of bad word of mouth press brink has received means that they should be doing whatever they can to add value to the product to encourage people to try it in spite of what others say, and not charging them more for what people are slagging off.

(TONSCHUH) #24

… do you know if they will bring out a GOTY-Edition with the DLC already integrated and selling for the original price, because the game is constantly going down in price atm ? … :rolleyes:

… as long no one can really tell what SD / Bethesda has planned, no one can tell what will happen to the comm … :rolleyes:

… even if they don’t sell it as a bundle, all the new players will firstly have to play through the base game what will take awhile … not every buyer will be a shooter god and play through the game in an instant … :rolleyes:

… that’s all I can say atm, because my crystal ball is in holiday atm … :smiley:

:stroggtapir:

(GrieverXVII) #25

qft
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(riptide) #26

[QUOTE=TONSCHUH;345754]
… even if they don’t sell it as a bundle, all the new players will firstly have to play through the base game what will take awhile … not every buyer will be a shooter god and play through the game in an instant … :rolleyes:

… that’s all I can say atm, because my crystal ball is in holiday atm … :smiley:

:stroggtapir:[/QUOTE]
No you don’t are you unaware of the many people who immediately play online? This is what I do when I get a game. Mind you I only buy multiplayer games… I do not like single player games. I go to the settings screen and disable all the eye candy. Then I go to the keyboard and mouse screen and fix my settings. Then I click on “play multiplayer” or whatever else takes me to the server browser.

Here’s the reality of it… most people that I know do something similar. Single player is an after thought. That’s not to say some people don’t really enjoy and only play for single player. But in a game like this or even COD… the single player lasts a couple hours… The multiplayer can last years. That’s the real game to me and many others.

(Xirvus.rei) #27

Oh my gosh, the utterly blind ignorance of some people.

I really can’t be bothered addressing the glaring inaccuracies and fallacies in this thread, but I’ll have a go at some:

If the strength of the community is in your best interest how does spamming every thread with “OH GOD YOU’RE TEARING THE COMMUNITY APART!” help keep the community intact?

He’s helping the community by pointing out the glaring issues. Which you seem to downplay or gloss over, and lack the foresight to understand the true ramifications of the issue.

Split community? Are you serious my friend, how hard would it be for people to simply just download the DLC in the first two week! Your argument make no sense at all

Are you being serious? Of course it’s easy. But that doesn’t mean that EVERY SINGLE USER is going to BUY and DOWNLOAD the DLC. Even if 80 out of every 100 people who buy BRINK in the future (which is an EXTREMELY favourable outcome) will also buy the DLC, there are still 20 people who miss out. That’s still a loss; it’s still a fragmentation of the community, and it’s still bad for BRINK.

I agree. You know it just seems like nobody is happy EVER about anything LOL. So people are complaining that its not free after 2 weeks - is it really that big of deal? Worried about the community… well its been my experince that it would still split the communinty even if it was free forever. Why do I say that? Because Capcom released maps for Lost Planet at no charge and there were still people that did not take the time to download free maps. Why? Lazy, stupid, who knows.

What, so you’re comparing the effect of the paid DLC (which obviously not everyone is going to buy), to the percentage of people who never bothered to download free maps (which is obviously a much smaller number of people, than in this scenario here). Right.

Also; BRINK is steampowered, so if there are any free updates to the game, they’re downloaded automatically.

Your whole argument is based on ignorant speculation. You don’t know what is going to happen. So just chill and save your complaints for when there actually is something for you to complain about. Saturating the forum with crybaby threads isn’t helping the community get bigger or better. People with short attention spans are going to take one look at the front page of this forum and walk away because of all the crybaby nonsense.

It’s not speculation. It’s common sense. Cause and effect. The ONLY arguable issue is the impact that paid DLC will have upon the game’s playerbase. We argue that it is going to have enough impact to warrant making noise about. Whether or not it’s going to fragment, dwindle, fracture the community is not the issue of contention. It’s going to happen.

YOU’RE getting the DLC free. Enjoy it. If other people don’t get the new content within the two weeks, that’s their problem, not yours.

Of COURSE it’s my problem. It’s their problem, it’s your problem, it’s EVERYONE’s problem. If it’s going to result in LESS PEOPLE PLAYING WITH EACH OTHER, HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING.

Wow. Just wow.

(morguen87) #28

Okay, from now on let’s just get all the updates done by unpaid interns so we don’t have to pay them and see where the low quality gets the community.

This isn’t a garage operation. This isn’t a high school kid operation spending time after school to work on a mod. Brink is not setting a precedent for paid DLCs, have you guys all lived under rocks for the last 10 years? You know what I was buying when I was paying for Quake2 “expansion packs?” How about we just call this a Brink expansion pack?

(Jamieson) #29

[QUOTE=morguen87;345781]Okay, from now on let’s just get all the updates done by unpaid interns so we don’t have to pay them and see where the low quality gets the community.

This isn’t a garage operation. This isn’t a high school kid operation spending time after school to work on a mod. Brink is not setting a precedent for paid DLCs, have you guys all lived under rocks for the last 10 years? You know what I was buying when I was paying for Quake2 “expansion packs?” How about we just call this a Brink expansion pack?[/QUOTE]

How about they release the SDK so we can create mods and maps ourselves much quicker than SD themselves at no cost at all? Oh now I remember because then they could not charge us for their own maps with this BS paid for map packs.

(morguen87) #30

Yeah, cause every server running a different mod won’t alienate the community at all like you’re so worried about. Nobody has the game truly figured out yet, it’s only a couple months old, it would be a terrible idea to have people start modding it now. I’m all for user made content down the road, but modding the game when we don’t even the understanding of it we will have in 6 months time is a horrible idea.

(burawura) #31

The past few weeks every evening I go to get a game and I have my filter to show only games <150 ping, with 9-16 players in the game. Each time I get 5 or less, and on average 2-3 that show up. That is pathetic.

That’s not to say that when I am able to get into those games, I don’t have fun because I do. But right now the players seem to fall into one of two categories: some veteran fps players who’ve decided to stick it out for whatever reason (and are mostly all damn good, better than me, or are at least smart and dont just run out and die), and some newbies from newer games (I won’t name names) who’ve just started getting grips on the MP and are cannon fodder for any enemy team with more than a few veteran players.

From my perspective the game is great fun in public play and I would like to get involved in comp play. But the scene is all lower cost and f2p games these days; Brink needs to move toward this on PC at least or it will be doomed to the 1 year (or less) lifecycle. If SD thinks they are satisfied with the cash they’ve made off the console crowd and decide to stop supporting Brink like it should be supported to compete with TF2, which it is competing with, that is shameful and stupid.

Don’t do what Crytek did, SD.

(morguen87) #32

Correct me if I’m wrong, but they haven’t stated they’re not releasing the SDK. They just haven’t turned it over while they’re still patching the game internallly.

And it wouldn’t surprise me if part of the deal with Bethesda mandated at least 1 paid for DLC. Now a days DLC is outlined before the game’s even released.
We’re talking the same people here that charged for horse armor for Oblivion.

(burawura) #33

Hats and stuff (ie paid customization) wouldn’t be a bad idea either…
anything to make the game cheaper to buy.

(Crytiqal) #34

[QUOTE=noupperlobeman;345749]It is not a fact, it is speculation. Your player A and player B live in the future right? This is what you are talking about? Things happening in the future?

Your whole argument is based on ignorant speculation. You don’t know what is going to happen. So just chill and save your complaints for when there actually is something for you to complain about. Saturating the forum with crybaby threads isn’t helping the community get bigger or better. People with short attention spans are going to take one look at the front page of this forum and walk away because of all the crybaby nonsense.

Walk on homeboy. Your argument is broken until it happens. And so help me god if you pull some “wait and see” analogy out of your butt…[/QUOTE]

ok WHAT THE ***!? Can you NOT grasp the example at hand that when people don;t have the map they get kicked of the server?

What planet are you from?

So you are one of those people who see sh!t flying towards the fan and say, relax guys, we still don’t know what actually will happen

(Metal-Geo) #35

Hahaha. Brilliant. And fully agreed.